Even without brute force or cheap tricks normaly man who had sex with a monstergirl will never leave her side after reach the ultimate pleasure that monster can give. I wonder what is happening to a corrupted woman goes back but the mind flayer who cause her state has been killed.
Yeah, no way can you cutesify the brain-suckers. I have had far too many adventurers fail SoD saves to ever see one as sexy. Only good squids are Ikamusume, and dead squids!
And speaking of, guess what? That squid like thing on the front? That used to be a human man. According to Kenkou, their husbands turn into squids.
A new way to semen/energy/food from your own body? That sounds so stupid and is such a waste. Well a reason more that this world goes down sonner as expected.
Well, there's plenty of brainwashing here, just more literally, with plenty of scrubbing.
No. I mean if you followed the author's public comments about the overall lore; the author would outright DENY claims that his own lore (basically) portrays/defines monster girls as 'evil, brainwashing people'.
Yeah, no way can you cutesify the brain-suckers. I have had far too many adventurers fail SoD saves to ever see one as sexy. Only good squids are Ikamusume, and dead squids!
What about the inklings from Splatoon? Those are pretty cute.
I still don't understand how Monster Girl Encyclopedia can have such diverse entries like Cait Sith or Barometz, but not basic, popular monsters like a Mind Flayer or a Hydra.
some people say mindflayers are unable to gave birth children like woman and monsters in the common way they can only infected woman into new mindflayers to expend their race. is this true?
What about the inklings from Splatoon? Those are pretty cute.
Yeah, them too. (Although I think Ikamusume might just BE an inkling at this point...) But I can't put too many caveats on a saying like that without it losing all its punch.
MMaestro said: No. I mean if you followed the author's public comments about the overall lore; the author would outright DENY claims that his own lore (basically) portrays/defines monster girls as 'evil, brainwashing people'.
There's a few points I've seen made about the matter. First is that the Encyclopedia is a very general description of the races it depicts, and not representative of the entirety of any species. Second, that the is written in a very poetic prose and uses a lot of metaphor. Several things should not be taken literally. And, third is that the translations are not always perfect, and are subject to interpretations by the translator. I think the big thing Kenkou Cross tries to say about this sort of stuff is that he writes what he likes and wants people to enjoy it. Think what you like.
So, the location and their leader so far are: -Monster Lord/Demonic Realm -Queen of Hearth/Wonderland -Pharaoh(Several of them exist and the Apophis were mad by God to counter them)/Desert -God/Heaven -Eros/Heaven -Fallen God/Pandemonium -Posseidon/Ocean -Cthulhu/Ocean
There's a few points I've seen made about the matter. First is that the Encyclopedia is a very general description of the races it depicts, and not representative of the entirety of any species. Second, that the is written in a very poetic prose and uses a lot of metaphor. Several things should not be taken literally. And, third is that the translations are not always perfect, and are subject to interpretations by the translator. I think the big thing Kenkou Cross tries to say about this sort of stuff is that he writes what he likes and wants people to enjoy it. Think what you like.
1. You're still talking about huge chunk of the monster girl population if you're generalizing entire races.
2. So what? Even if we completely discount the books as overly poetic and metaphorical, you have monster girl profiles such as Undine single-handedly converting entire land's into demon realms by contaminating the water supply. post #750342
3. There are over 100 translated monster girl profiles. The idea that ALL of them are CONSISTENTLY wrong in this regard is simply insulting to the translators.
3. There are over 100 translated monster girl profiles. The idea that ALL of them are CONSISTENTLY wrong in this regard is simply insulting to the translators.
Almost as insulting as the idea that the author of the series themself wrote over a hundred and forty encyclopedia pages, several short novels and descriptions for characters, regions, items, flora, political and social interactions between groups and then either doubled back on brainwash content and pretended it never happened, or somehow never realized they had accidentally included a big bunch of brainwash content in all that time.
Seriously. If anyone knows, it's probably the author, and to my knowledge they've been fairly explicit that, for their part the point is not brainwashing and mind break.
Almost as insulting as the idea that the author of the series themself wrote over a hundred and forty encyclopedia pages, several short novels and descriptions for characters, regions, items, flora, political and social interactions between groups and then either doubled back on brainwash content and pretended it never happened, or somehow never realized they had accidentally included a big bunch of brainwash content in all that time.
Seriously. If anyone knows, it's probably the author, and to my knowledge they've been fairly explicit that, for their part the point is not brainwashing and mind break.
Meet the race introduced after those statements were made and, explicit within the text of the entry is more radical than any of the others we've seen? Okay.
Meet the race introduced after those statements were made and, explicit within the text of the entry is more radical than any of the others we've seen? Okay.
So the author explicitly claims that monster girls don't use brainwashing and/or mind break and then creates a monster girl that explicitly uses brainwashing and/or mind break.
So the author explicitly claims that monster girls don't use brainwashing and/or mind break and then creates a monster girl that explicitly uses brainwashing and/or mind break.
Brilliant.
Yes, as the author he is quite surprisingly allowed to state that his intention is not to create a bleak world filled to the brim with callous brainwashing rape monsters, and then later decide to create one that is such a creature. It is, ultimately escapist fantasy that he creates for his fans as much as himself. His intention is/was not to portray a world of misery.
About the description of MGE, my intention and the interpretation of Westerners seem to be different much. As always, the descriptions of MGE are hyperbolic, and the reality will be more milder than that.
Even in the the case of the Mindflayer, we are not reading an objective source of information but the interpretations of a human, compiled with his knowledge from observation as well as rumor, hearsay and to my knowledge several direct interviews. Taking the squid as an example the implications are obvious; but they remain just that, implications of a biased, in universe observer. One who 'somehow' manages to interview and talk with many, many monster girls without being captured himself.
Quite frankly I don't understand why you find these sentiments of the author so objectionable.
Even in the the case of the Mindflayer, we are not reading an objective source of information but the interpretations of a human, compiled with his knowledge from observation as well as rumor, hearsay and to my knowledge several direct interviews. Taking the squid as an example the implications are obvious; but they remain just that, implications of a biased, in universe observer. One who 'somehow' manages to interview and talk with many, many monster girls without being captured himself.
Quite frankly I don't understand why you find these sentiments of the author so objectionable.
Mind you this interviewer is unilaterally on the monster girl's side. In the canon, the person compiling all these profiles, is someone who whole heartily agrees with the demon queen's plan and wants people to embrace monster girls, even though he goes into the detail that the monster girls kidnap men, and that the forcable convert women into more monster girls.
Almost as insulting as the idea that the author of the series themself wrote over a hundred and forty encyclopedia pages, several short novels and descriptions for characters, regions, items, flora, political and social interactions between groups and then either doubled back on brainwash content and pretended it never happened, or somehow never realized they had accidentally included a big bunch of brainwash content in all that time.
Seriously. If anyone knows, it's probably the author, and to my knowledge they've been fairly explicit that, for their part the point is not brainwashing and mind break.
It's the author's prerogative if he wants to interpret human/monster-girl relationships as purely consensual and not brainwashing, but it would be dishonest because it contradicts a large number of monster-girl entries. The guy wants to have his cake and eat it too, saying that humans are corrupted into sex-maniacs but it's not brainwashing.
So, the location and their leader so far are: -Monster Lord/Demonic Realm -Queen of Hearth/Wonderland -Pharaoh(Several of them exist and the Apophis were mad by God to counter them)/Desert -God/Heaven -Eros/Heaven -Fallen God/Pandemonium -Posseidon/Ocean -Cthulhu/Ocean
It's the author's prerogative if he wants to interpret human/monster-girl relationships as purely consensual and not brainwashing, but it would be dishonest because it contradicts a large number of monster-girl entries. The guy wants to have his cake and eat it too, saying that humans are corrupted into sex-maniacs but it's not brainwashing.
But, again.
About the description of MGE, my intention and the interpretation of Westerners seem to be different much. As always, the descriptions of MGE are hyperbolic, and the reality will be more milder than that.
And there is the setting that MGE is written by a human scholar in the world, not me. So sometimes the fact that "the increase of the ratio of sex in life was observed by him" can be interpreted "they are doing nothing other than sex", by him, from a human perspective. On the other hand, WG2 was written by an MG, so she write the truth that they communicate with friends or families, and they do the jobs and hobbies. When you read MGE, please consider such context.
As well as this quote from someone who is not KC.
Additionally, We Japanese value the contexts of sentences rather than what is written literally. It is called "言葉の綾(kotoba no aya)". For example, if MGE says "Men who have sex with MGs become impossible to think except for sex with them", it an expression which intends to describe how attractive the sex with MGs is. It doesn't mean that all of them LITERALLY become unable to think except for sex. (But if they wish, they can do that) This seems to be one of the "gaps" KC tried to explain years ago.
Most Japanese fans understand KC's intent well, and estimate MGE as the ideal world which rejects all "bad endings" by all means. Of course there is some people who dislike MGE as dystopia. But in Japan, most people don't stick around the Doujin works which they dislike, because it is simply a waste of time.
Originally it is a minor fetishism that focused on brainwashing, mindbending, netorare, etc. KC likes some elements of corruption like change of costumes and mentalities into more seductive and aggressive ways, but dislikes the tragic endings it will bring. If he was a true disciple of "Corruption fetishism", then "Fallen Maidens" would massacre people cheerfully, stab you, and display the kiss and sex with the villain who brainwashed them to the dying you. Of course KC did not want this. He rather removed brainwashing and softened the fetishism in MGE.
Now "corrupted" girls focus on their true desire and love that they suppressed, and their personalities are liberated or restored rather than warped. (Though there are some changes like becoming lustful or accepting monsterization because of having MGs' value. If they even call this "brainwashing" and hate it, then it can't be helped.)
These are things that have been brought up directly to the author and the response from him and some of his affiliates has been that the Western interpretation of his writing is too literal minded... if you really think that he's somehow wrong and managed to accidentally make a fictional setting completely different than what he had in mind then... sure, I guess? I don't know how to argue against that. It seems patently ridiculous, but I certainly don't know how to argue against it.
Originally it is a minor fetishism that focused on brainwashing, mindbending, netorare, etc. KC likes some elements of corruption like change of costumes and mentalities into more seductive and aggressive ways, but dislikes the tragic endings it will bring. If he was a true disciple of "Corruption fetishism", then "Fallen Maidens" would massacre people cheerfully, stab you, and display the kiss and sex with the villain who brainwashed them to the dying you. Of course KC did not want this. He rather removed brainwashing and softened the fetishism in MGE.
Now "corrupted" girls focus on their true desire and love that they suppressed, and their personalities are liberated or restored rather than warped. (Though there are some changes like becoming lustful or accepting monsterization because of having MGs' value. If they even call this "brainwashing" and hate it, then it can't be helped.)
Isn't that like saying that someone "isn't really into guro" because they only enjoy watching them bleed or have a lost arm, not seeing decapitations? It's a minor gradient of fetishism that only someone really into it to begin with would care about.
Rather, it can be argued to say something even more disturbing just by the fact that it IS supposed to always be "consensual" and "a happy ending". That is, any random girl having lots of mindless sex with any random guy is ALWAYS the best possible ending of any relationship, and nothing else matters to the point of even warranting mention.
This isn't just one girl, or a handful of guys. This is every single human being ever. The ONLY "true desire" of all humanity is to have sex, and any other goal any human has ever had besides that is a lie.
Simply admitting that they like mind control and forcing people into having sex without having to "force a bad ending" is actually much less troubling if you follow this train of thought through to its ramifications:
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There are these different girls, which range from extreme sadists to extreme masochists, but guys are always happy no matter which, just so long as they get to climax.
At the same time, girls abandon all their other wants and desires, and just screw the guy they either previously had the slightest feelings for or just any random guy, it doesn't matter who, and that is "what they always really wanted".
The problem is when you consider this as a philosophy one has towards all human relationships - it's all just a bunch of talk about things that don't matter, everything will be fine if you just force them to have sex, because that's all people really ever think about, anyway. Anyone who puts relationships off for their career or has any other goal in life but humping like rabbits is wrong and lying to themselves. If someone is unhappy about something, clearly, "rape therapy" is the right answer, because sex makes everything better.
The problem is you can't just divorce this entirely from real life. In Japan, in particular, there's a problem with people just plain not getting married and starting families anymore because they're focused upon other things. I remember hearing a study that showed nearly 50% of women and 25% of men in Japan thought of sexual relations as a generally terrifying concept. Since Japan is a rather insular country, they're also stiffly opposed to immigration, and as such, the population is ready to plummet as the population is overwhelmingly older and few children are being born. To respond to this, a ton of just make women shut up, go home, and have children sentiment is in Japan right now.
Simply because someone says that a given viewpoint or idea isn't in their works doesn't mean that it's true. How many racists are willing to openly admit that their views are racist, and how many keep acting confused that black people get upset when told that they should, "go back to Section 8 housing, where they belong!"?
Comparatively, simply mixing a monster fetish people want with a brainwash fetish people don't want is relatively minor, and denotes more control issues. "This is just my fetish, I don't actually believe in any of this crap," is honestly far less troubling.
The first goal of the succubus queen turn monsters close to human and not kill and eat humans anymore was a great sucess and both sides will thanks for this. Her next goal that all humans become incubus and monsters has failed because the current situation show clear that monsters are not able to bear in a normal case a incubi. Maybe from time to time monstergirls who are close to humana have one but you cannot relay on miracles to increase the number of man/incubi. Fact is no doubt no human woman anymore no man can be born and game over.
Now "corrupted" girls focus on their true desire and love that they suppressed, and their personalities are liberated or restored rather than warped. (Though there are some changes like becoming lustful or accepting monsterization because of having MGs' value. If they even call this "brainwashing" and hate it, then it can't be helped.)
This part is the one thing that I find the most horrifying about the entire concept of Monstergirl encyclopedia world.
Female heroes, can't just be women who are heroes, they need to suppress everything about their femininity to do that job. They need to act like emotionless, sexless robots to be considered heroes.
Male heroes don't have to, they can fuck any thing they want and still be heroes.
And thing is, they're forced into situations where they have to give up their roles as heroes... to becomes the same personality-less monstergirls as everything else that desires nothing but cock and more cock.
But then again Kenkou Cross is a stereotypical misogynistic Japanese guy who adheres to stereotypical misogynistic Japanese tropes.
The corrupted stuff is the dome of the monstergirl world but in some cases humans would not really aganist it will agree to become incubus and a monstergirl. If you are old or have a deadly illness and know you will not live long get your youth back and overcome illness is a good thing and humans hate/fear it. You have a weak health have sex and born children is tabu after a transformation this worries not exist anymore. Not wipe out humans for your own good sucuubus queen and co. Wipe out ageing, illness and weak health sure the numbers of incubus and monsters will increase. People will say no doubt: thanks for my new life!
Also, if there's no brainwashing, why does the Bicorne take monstergirl species that were explicitly monogamous, (to the point of of being homicidally jealous of other women, in the case of Shirohebi and Lamia,) and make them enjoy being part of a harem?
Apparently, a girl who wanted a monogamous husband just suddenly always wanted to be a haremite...
Woman can share her husband/partner with a monster in that case the monster have two partners. A harem is fine but a 3 relationship has also something special.
Male heroes don't have to, they can fuck any thing they want and still be heroes.
There is no descriptions of male heroes in the MGE world how can you know that? Plus, it's just porn. It doesn't matter if it's sexist or not because quite a lot of people get off on fantasy sexist scenario
ice queen = snow mountains.
Thanks, I completly forgot about that one. It's been a while since Kenkou Cross drew a monsters from a snowy area.
There is no descriptions of male heroes in the MGE world how can you know that?
In the books, the stereotypical, superpowered, strongest one of all, savior of humanity, literally God-blessed male "Hero" goes turncoat, marries the Demon Lord and has non-stop sex which further accelerates the downfall of humanity. And yes, this is all OUTRIGHT stated in the books.
There is no descriptions of male heroes in the MGE world how can you know that? Plus, it's just porn. It doesn't matter if it's sexist or not because quite a lot of people get off on fantasy sexist scenario
Thanks, I completly forgot about that one. It's been a while since Kenkou Cross drew a monsters from a snowy area.
I wonder if a new snow/ice monstergirl comeout in the near time sure yuki-onna, yeti, glacies and selkie are not all.
Cocasse said:
There is no descriptions of male heroes in the MGE world how can you know that? Plus, it's just porn. It doesn't matter if it's sexist or not because quite a lot of people get off on fantasy sexist scenario
Thanks, I completly forgot about that one. It's been a while since Kenkou Cross drew a monsters from a snowy area.
In the books, the stereotypical, superpowered, strongest one of all, savior of humanity, literally God-blessed male "Hero" goes turncoat, marries the Demon Lord and has non-stop sex which further accelerates the downfall of humanity. And yes, this is all OUTRIGHT stated in the books.
He also helped in trying to kill the new Chief god when she arrived to try and fix the colossal fuck up him and his overpowered mary-sue cock sleeve with a face caused.
He also helped in trying to kill the new Chief god when she arrived to try and fix the colossal fuck up him and his overpowered mary-sue cock sleeve with a face caused.
I literally have no idea how you came to this understanding of the situation other than a ridiculous level of deception or willful ignorance. "Fix the colossal fuck up" of ending the status quo whereby humans have their population kept in check by being eaten by monsters. The original Chief Goddess is probably portrayed as one of the most morally bankrupt beings thus far in the series.
The plot is one of many relatively recent spins on the classic Dragon Quest Hero journeys to destroy Monster Lord story. You see it in Monster GIrl Quest, Maouyuu and even Hataraku Maou-Sama as well as here. Just because beings are monstrous, doesn't mean they're evil and just because someone is angelic doesn't mean they're good.
Even under the consideration that the plan failed because of the inability to produce male offspring (Something that to my recollection is the Chief Goddesses fault in the first place) you're still talking about a situation where the goddess was manipulating both sides into perpetual war to secure her own power base. It was horrific.
Female heroes, can't just be women who are heroes, they need to suppress everything about their femininity to do that job. They need to act like emotionless, sexless robots to be considered heroes.
Male heroes don't have to, they can fuck any thing they want and still be heroes.
Technically, this can be said to be the fault of the "Old Gods". The problem is that the world is being set up as a false dichotomy between either being some strawman evil Not!Catholic Church and round-the-clock-sex-in-the-streets.
Cocasse said:
Plus, it's just porn. It doesn't matter if it's sexist or not because quite a lot of people get off on fantasy sexist scenario
While to a certain degree, that's certainly true, and partly what I was arguing before, the problems start to arise when there are statements made that try to make porn into some universal ethical value. The arguments from Kenkou and these Japanese fans of his aren't saying they're just porn, and that they don't agree with the beliefs that are being espoused, the way, say, rape porn artists say they're totally opposed to rape in real life, they're saying this is just fine, ethically.
I mean, there are other brainwashing-centric porn mangas that have plots where the heroine is corrupted, and evil wins and there is worldwide rape because it's a monster rape-centric porn. (Even showing orcs going at kids, yay...)
MGE goes further than that. To go back to the Japanese defense of this for a bit:
Originally it is a minor fetishism that focused on brainwashing, mindbending, netorare, etc. KC likes some elements of corruption like change of costumes and mentalities into more seductive and aggressive ways, but dislikes the tragic endings it will bring. If he was a true disciple of "Corruption fetishism", then "Fallen Maidens" would massacre people cheerfully, stab you, and display the kiss and sex with the villain who brainwashed them to the dying you. Of course KC did not want this. He rather removed brainwashing and softened the fetishism in MGE.
What happens in MGE is basically the same thing as the brainwash ending they're saying it's not, and the only thing that's different is that they say that demon winning is a GOOD thing. They explicitly hold up a strawman version of morality to say is actually evil, while saying that round-the-clock-global-rape is actually moral, and wanting anything else is evil.
Karesh said:
The plot is one of many relatively recent spins on the classic Dragon Quest Hero journeys to destroy Monster Lord story. You see it in Monster GIrl Quest, Maouyuu and even Hataraku Maou-Sama as well as here. Just because beings are monstrous, doesn't mean they're evil and just because someone is angelic doesn't mean they're good.
Even under the consideration that the plan failed because of the inability to produce male offspring (Something that to my recollection is the Chief Goddesses fault in the first place) you're still talking about a situation where the goddess was manipulating both sides into perpetual war to secure her own power base. It was horrific.
And again, there's a difference.
Maouyuu has demons that are totally capable of living alongside humans, and in fact, they're basically just stand-ins for Muslims. The whole point is that the genocidal black-versus-white my-morality-must-win-no-matter-the-cost standpoint of BOTH sides is itself morally bankrupt, and shows concepts of mutual cooperation and belief in technological utopianism to solve the world's problems as their moral high points. Maou has to turn against her own people to stop their own destruction just as much as Yuusha does.
I haven't read enough of Hatoraku Maou-Sama to really give a judgement on that one...
And MonMusu Quest, the most direct analogue to MGE, also shows that the monster girls are also frequently at fault, even as they show the genocidal "Suffer not the unclean to live" types are evil. I don't know how that one ends, either, but it's more about mutual cooperation, rather than pure corruption-is-good.
Saying that the strawman goddess is evil in this story justifies what lessons the author tries to draw out of that is pointless, as the author created that strawman in the first place. It's still a reflection of the mind of the person who created it. If anything, using an unrepetent pure evil strawman as your opponent just shows the weakness of your own argument, as political strawmen in stories are often used by people who are so rabidly entrenched in their beliefs they are genuinely incapable of comprehending the viewpoints those arguments sprang from. Basically, Kenkou is pulling the equivalent of a Jack Chick, only painting an evil Christianity with the same ludicrous brush Jack Chick paints anyone who isn't his own particular brand of spiteful born-again evangelical who actually enjoys the thought that any follower of any other religion (or even the wrong denomination of the same religion) is going to Hell.
Karesh said: I literally have no idea how you came to this understanding of the situation other than a ridiculous level of deception or willful ignorance. "Fix the colossal fuck up" of ending the status quo whereby humans have their population kept in check by being eaten by monsters. The original Chief Goddess is probably portrayed as one of the most morally bankrupt beings thus far in the series.
Even under the consideration that the plan failed because of the inability to produce male offspring (Something that to my recollection is the Chief Goddesses fault in the first place) you're still talking about a situation where the goddess was manipulating both sides into perpetual war to secure her own power base. It was horrific.
No. No. It was not the Chief God's fault that the demon lord used an incomplete ritual and didn't try and fix it.
The colossal fuck up I mentioned is that the demon lord's world changing spell is incomplete. Female monsters can only give birth to more female monsters, and can't give birth to incubus.
Mind, the Demonlord isn't fixing this because she's too busy having sex with her Hero husband.
Also, the original chief god created the cycle of death because she feared humanity would grow unchecked. She didn't anticipate a human hero to flip her the bird and kill her.
No. No. It was not the Chief God's fault that the demon lord used an incomplete ritual and didn't try and fix it.
The colossal fuck up I mentioned is that the demon lord's world changing spell is incomplete. Female monsters can only give birth to more female monsters, and can't give birth to incubus.
Mind, the Demonlord isn't fixing this because she's too busy having sex with her Hero husband.
Also, the original chief god created the cycle of death because she feared humanity would grow unchecked. She didn't anticipate a human hero to flip her the bird and kill her.
Yyyyyyyyes. It kind of actually is her fault when she's the one who created a scenario in which monsters and humans are compelled to kill one another. She explicitly created and enforced a cycle of slaughter on a genocidal scale in order to maintain a balance of power that keeps her at the top. The best information we have is that it was explicitly her "Settings" That prevents Monsters from giving birth to men in the present scenario, and that the Monster Lord simply isn't strong enough to overwrite all of the rules of their reality at once.
Yyyyyyyyes. It kind of actually is her fault when she's the one who created a scenario in which monsters and humans are compelled to kill one another. She explicitly created and enforced a cycle of slaughter on a genocidal scale in order to maintain a balance of power that keeps her at the top. The best information we have is that it was explicitly her "Settings" That prevents Monsters from giving birth to men in the present scenario, and that the Monster Lord simply isn't strong enough to overwrite all of the rules of their reality at once.
NO IT IS NOT.
Fuck's sake. the chief god created humanity, man and women, who when they procreate create more men and woman.
The demonlord's ritual would have allowed the conception of monstergirls and incubus. which would have taken the place of humanity. BUT HER RITUAL IS INCOMPLETE AND ONLY ALLOWS MONSTERGIRLS TO BE BORN.
how many fucking times must I repeat that!?
The cycle you keep harping on about is the chief's god idea of keeping humanity form growing too big and unbalancing the world. Thus the Chief god created monsters to hunt humans and keep their numbers within a certain limit. BUT, she also placed in the system the context of heroes, people who, with her blessing can overthrow the demonlord, and for a period, allow humanity to flourish, until such a time as a new demonlord takes over and begins the cull. It's an inherent unbiased system. Humans created the church that worships the gods.
And just to fuck with this again, Every time any monstergirl has sex with a man, she releases something called momonsu mana, which the current demonlord can absorb, which is where she gained the power to *TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM* from monster eats man to monster has sex with man. A change that the current chief god can't change, and as a result she went to the demonlord to demand she change it back, she was almost murdered by the Demonlord and her hero incubus husband for her efforts.
Kenkou Cross stated that if the new, weak, incompetent, unskilled, useless, politically voted in Chief God reverted the system as it is, the monstergirls would immediately devour their husbands due to reverting to monsters.
He is intentionally pilling the shit on the chief god so his demonlord looks to be the good guy, despite the entire fucking problem in the Monstergirl Encyclopedia word, being her fucking fault for being an incompetent boob for using a ritual she didn't even check to make sure would work properly.
He is intentionally pilling the shit on the chief god so his demonlord looks to be the good guy, despite the entire fucking problem in the Monstergirl Encyclopedia word, being her fucking fault for being an incompetent boob for using a ritual she didn't even check to make sure would work properly.
Are you fucking serious? The "Entire problem in the MGE world" is that the Chief Goddess created the system to begin with. Either I'm seriously misreading what you're saying or you're arguing the morality of a system designed intentionally to cull large swathes of the population on a regular basis. I feel like I'm being fucking trolled. Are you actually telling me that if someone stopped by your house and said "Sorry, humanity is growing out of control so we're gonna need to scale you back a bit with a good ole fashion culling!" You'd shrug and say "WELP THEMS THE BREAKS!" Good lord.
The thing you're talking about is the passage over the balance of power, which entirely illustrates my point that there is a balance of power that is preventing the system from being entirely fixed to stop the culling.
If the demon lord is defeated by the chief god and she loses her life, the monster girls will revert to being “monsters” whose heads are full of nothing but the desire to kill and eat humans. Should it come to that, the happiness of the monster girls who married and settled with their beloved human men will be shattered, they will end up having to kill and eat their own beloved husbands with their own hands.
You are consistently misrepresenting absolutely everything in the most ridiculous manner possible. The Chief Goddess didn't swoop in to politely request that everything go back. She tried to force it and fought with Monster Lord and her Husband over the issue. The idea that the Monster Lord is consciously, actively choosing to sabotage her own plan is fucking insane. She's in contest with the Goddess over control of reality. It's presently a stalemate, and the Monster Lord is trying to fix it.
However, as for the demon's lord's power, every time the demon lord stores power, every time the monsters increase in number, and every time the demon realm expands, it grows stronger. If the demon lord's power continues to increase at this rate, eventually she'll be able to completely overwrite and establish the monster girls' settings. If it occurs, then incubi will end up also being born from monster girls. Human men and monster girls will seek one another, and then it can lead to the rebirth of a new human race.
You might as well be saying that J.K Rowling was piling shit on fucking Voldemort. They're fictional characters! They don't have lives or personality or histories except those given by the authors, so GUESS WHAT? IF THE AUTHOR (Kenkou, not the Encyclopedia author) SAYS THE CHIEF GODDESS IS A MONSTROUS ENTITY THAT SET IN MOTION THE GENOCIDE OF COUNTLESS HUMANS, THAT'S WHAT SHE IS.
By all means tell me more about how the monster Lord is a dumb idiot for trying (unsuccessfully) to make a world where she doesn't have to kill people and that it isn't at all the goddesses fault that she wants monsters and humans to kill each other.
By all means tell me more about how the monster Lord is a dumb idiot for trying (unsuccessfully) to make a world where she doesn't have to kill people and that it isn't at all the goddesses fault that she wants monsters and humans to kill each other.
She used a ritual, she discovered the ritual was flawed. She hasn't fixed it, instead she's just having sex with her husband and birthing more succubus to eradicate humanity.
And the goddess set up the cycle to keep humanity from overpopulating the planet.
I keep saying these things, and you keep not seeing them. I don't know what to say about that.
She used a ritual, she discovered the ritual was flawed. She hasn't fixed it, instead she's just having sex with her husband and birthing more succubus to eradicate humanity.
However, as for the demon's lord's power, every time the demon lord stores power, every time the monsters increase in number, and every time the demon realm expands, it grows stronger. If the demon lord's power continues to increase at this rate, eventually she'll be able to completely overwrite and establish the monster girls' settings. If it occurs, then incubi will end up also being born from monster girls.
This explicitly states that she is presently incapable of fixing the ritual and it is further stated that the reason she can't is because she's facing resistance from the Divine side of things. She is fucking her husband, because it's fucking him that lets her have the power to resist the Goddess in the first place. She's storing that energy to fix the problem, hence staying locked up and only engaging in the creation of more energy until she can fully complete her plan.
And the goddess set up the cycle to keep humanity from overpopulating the planet.
That doesn't justify or excuse her actions. To my knowledge she hasn't shared this particular point with humanity or the monsters in general. She's pitting them against each other, rather than doing any of the myriad other things she could be doing to solve the problem. With her power and influence over humanity basically nothing was impossible, yet she chose instead to do things like she has. Leading to war, famine, plague, whatever terrible things you want to list about pre-renaissance human life still exist because the Goddess has Humanity and Monsters locked firmly in that position.
I keep saying these things, and you keep not seeing them. I don't know what to say about that.
And I don't know what to say when I continually quote the actual source material which says you're wrong. There's no matter of flowery, hyperbolic language here. And that you genuinely seem to believe that the Goddess sitting back and letting two species continually slaughter one another, and even actively pitting them against one another was an acceptable solution to population growth. It's insane.
However, as for the demon's lord's power, every time the demon lord stores power, every time the monsters increase in number, and every time the demon realm expands, it grows stronger. If the demon lord's power continues to increase at this rate, eventually she'll be able to completely overwrite and establish the monster girls' settings. If it occurs, then incubi will end up also being born from monster girls.
This explicitly states that she is presently incapable of fixing the ritual and it is further stated that the reason she can't is because she's facing resistance from the Divine side of things. She is fucking her husband, because it's fucking him that lets her have the power to resist the Goddess in the first place. She's storing that energy to fix the problem, hence staying locked up and only engaging in the creation of more energy until she can fully complete her plan.
It even says it right fucking there in the canon, she caused this problem by casting the ritual when she couldn't completely overwrite the cheif god's system. And in her flurry to collect the mana needed to completely overwrite the system she is hastening humanity's extinction by birthing more succubus who continue to seduce men and convert women.
That doesn't justify or excuse her actions. To my knowledge she hasn't shared this particular point with humanity or the monsters in general. She's pitting them against each other, rather than doing any of the myriad other things she could be doing to solve the problem. With her power and influence over humanity basically nothing was impossible, yet she chose instead to do things like she has. Leading to war, famine, plague, whatever terrible things you want to list about pre-renaissance human life still exist because the Goddess has Humanity and Monsters locked firmly in that position.
I love how you keep saying that EVERYTHING wrong that's happened to humanity is her fault. It's not the current chief god's fault. it was the Original Chief god's fault, you know, the one the demon lord and her chosen by god husband killed when she established herself as the demon lord? And on top of that, why would she tell humanity and the monsters their reasons for existing? They knew their roles.
Seems like the baseline disagreement is you don't see any problem whatsoever with the initial system, where despite there being practically endless solutions for the long off, far from inevitable problem of overpopulation or human development, especially considering the fact that she was a literal living goddess worshiped by the entirety of the human race, the Original Goddess chose to make a system in which people are born and die in pointless wars against monsters.
That system I just described is morally repugnant. Her behavior as a deity is disgusting, and it's no wonder eventually somebody tried to get out of it. You can't blame someone born into a broken system who is trying to fix it for not being able to do everything all at once. Especially when from what I can understand you have absolutely no contempt for those who are trying to "Fix" the system by putting it back to regular culling mode. You can't even pretend that humanity actually will go extinct because we have confirmation that eventually, given enough energy the Monster Lord will be able to fix the problem and allow Monsters to give birth to male offspring. Happy end.
Fact of the matter is the very nature of monsters and reality were at the beck and call of the Chief Goddess initially, and she chose one of the worst systems of control imaginable. I haven't read anything about the Original Chief God being killed by the Monster Lord, only that her replacement is/was weak enough to not be able to stop her.
Humanity: Flourish. Monsters: devour humans.
That's it, why would they need anything else?
Gee, I don't know! Why do people in the real world keep clamoring on about world peace> Maybe because dying in horrible ways really kind of sucks? Getting eaten by monsters also probably sort of sucks! The understanding I have of the present situation is that the Monster Lord loved humans and wanted to stop it. She convinced the Hero to help, which led to their marriage. She tried to fix a problem created by the goddess and could not get all the way. She is presently still trying to fix that problem, as, despite you whining about it fucking her husband is the best way for her to get the energy she needs. Quite frankly, the way you talked about it earlier with "Doing nothing to solve the problem" makes me think you literally had no idea what it was you were talking about and are now scrambling back to justify it in some other way, because the very passages that explain that she is regularly fucking her husband also explain why she is, and it's explicitly Solving the problem you are complaining about.
There is no indication that if the Goddess wins she will make a single human beings life better. There's no indication that the Original Chief Goddess had any kind of purpose behind her actions other than mindlessly maintaining a pointless status quo, and likewise there's also no indication that if the Monster Lord wins the world will be screwed. From Kenkou to the author everything suggests she absolutely can succeed. Trying to fix a bad system and not quite getting it right isn't a terrible thing to start with, and even if you say "Well she should have waited until she could do it all at once!" Why? Waiting means more monsters eating people rather than living in relative peace with them. Conversion means more power, and the completion of the plan going faster, which ostensibly leads to the two species being able to permanently co-exist without a single issue.
the Chief God created the world and humans. But the Demon Lord and the monsters were included as part of the “world” that the Chief God created. Saying that the Demon Lord is a being who emerged from the darkness is a huge lie on the part of the gods and The Order.
Monsters are, in essence, beings that are higher on the food chain than humans. They're living creatures the Chief God created so that it could adjust the number of humans. The Demon Lord, who The Order insists is wicked, was created as a control device so that the gods could control the monsters. As in the present, the Demon Lord's energy has always been linked with all monsters. By giving the Demon Lord directives, the Chief God is able to indirectly control the monsters.
Whenever civilization flourishes, and humans increase too much in number, it turns the monsters vicious as in the age of the former Demon Lord, killing large amounts of humans, thereby thinning their numbers. And then, when humans start to die out, this time the monsters increase too much in number, so this time it gives humans incredible power, creating “heroes,” and sending them to slay the Demon Lord. After the Demon Lord is slain, the monsters kill each other to decide the next Demon Lord, and until one is decided, their number keeps decreasing on its own. And then, when humans reach prosperity once again, and begin increasing in number, a new Demon Lord is born as a control device from amongst the monsters.
And then, the entire process repeats itself. This is the world's system. The system was running perfectly until a certain succubus became Demon Lord and caused the system to start malfunctioning. The Demon Lord used her demonic power which is linked to all monsters to start overwriting the traits instilled in the monsters from the time when the Chief God created them: “Monsters are beings that are higher existences than humans, and monsters are beings that live by eating humans.”
Naturally, the Chief God was furious. She tried to eliminate the Demon Lord. She gave the power to slay the Demon Lord to a hero according to the system at the time, but since the Hero betrayed the Chief God and went on the side of the Demon Lord, the attempt at eliminating her ended in failure. The strongest of the monsters, the Demon Lord, and the strongest of humanity, the Hero, joined hands to create a new world together. The Demon Lord, who is a succubus, and the Hero who was made an incubus by her hands, can increase each other's power infinitely by continuously having sex due to their nature. Their power had already reached the level of a god, and not even the Chief God was able to destroy them. The Chief God was gravely wounded in the battle, and as of the present, she can't move freely, so she's manipulating humans into doing her bidding through the church, giving many humans the power of a “hero,” and frequently sending extermination squads at the Demon Lord.
From the man himself. Now shut up. The system wasn't broken until the new demon lord tried to change the system by gaining her title outside the rules.
From the man himself. Now shut up. The system wasn't broken until the new demon lord tried to change the system by gaining her title outside the rules.
Oh my fucking lord. I am saying the system was "Broken" because it was inherently a system designed to make people suffer. Sure, she's the one that broke it by trying to change the rules. But only because she didn't think it was good to kill humans or for humans to kill monsters.
I can't. I cannot fucking believe. That you are actually saying you disagree, and that you like the system where humans and monsters perpetually cause each other to suffer and die in order to keep their populations in check. Take the Hero for example: Why do you think he betrayed the Goddess? Standard hero story goes their family, friends, maybe a whole village died. Eviscerated, chopped or gnashed into little bits and digested in monster stomachs. Dying in fear and in agony. Shit. Fucking. Sucks.
What do you think he thought of his Goddess when he realized that everyone he had known to die horrifically in a war against monsters, died in the name of the Goddess responsible for that War? And that at freaking best the only reason for the war itself is that she's too inept to solve the problem any other way. At worst, she just likes it the way it is.
Given the circumstances, if you're able to change such a system for the better and willingly choose not to do so you're irredeemably immoral. The Monster Lord at the damn least is trying, and it's brought her into direct confrontation with beings that claim to be protecting humanity.
Oh my fucking lord. I am saying the system was "Broken" because it was inherently a system designed to make people suffer. Sure, she's the one that broke it by trying to change the rules. But only because she didn't think it was good to kill humans or for humans to kill monsters.
I can't. I cannot fucking believe. That you are actually saying you disagree, and that you like the system where humans and monsters perpetually cause each other to suffer and die in order to keep their populations in check. Take the Hero for example: Why do you think he betrayed the Goddess? Standard hero story goes their family, friends, maybe a whole village died. Eviscerated, chopped or gnashed into little bits and digested in monster stomachs. Dying in fear and in agony. Shit. Fucking. Sucks.
What do you think he thought of his Goddess when he realized that everyone he had known to die horrifically in a war against monsters, died in the name of the Goddess responsible for that War? And that at freaking best the only reason for the war itself is that she's too inept to solve the problem any other way. At worst, she just likes it the way it is.
Given the circumstances, if you're able to change such a system for the better and willingly choose not to do so you're irredeemably immoral. The Monster Lord at the damn least is trying, and it's brought her into direct confrontation with beings that claim to be protecting humanity.
Well, for one, it was a hamfisted way for Kenkou Cross to show that the chief god was wrong and his special snowflake Demonlord who loves humanity (even though her love for humanity was due to her nature as a succubus where she feeds off love), AND BY MIRACULOUS COINCIDENCE the human the chief god chose to topple this demon lord who somehow dodged the entire fucking demon inter fighting system that should have reduced their numbers (since she rose to power right after the last demon lord was defeated, which should have reduced their numbers in the interum war to find a new leader.) was also one who "doubts about why humans and monsters must continue to fight" in other words, THE PERFECT COMPATIBLE COMPANION was right. *edit* sorry, rambled a bit without finishing the point.
And for two, it's a fucking hentai series by some one with very very shitty meta control of his content.
Well, for one, it was a hamfisted way for Kenkou Cross to show that the chief god was wrong and his special snowflake Demonlord who loves humanity (even though her love for humanity was due to her nature as a succubus where she feeds off love), AND BY MIRACULOUS COINCIDENCE the human the chief god chose to topple this demon lord who somehow dodged the entire fucking demon inter fighting system that should have reduced their numbers (since she rose to power right after the last demon lord was defeated, which should have reduced their numbers in the interum war to find a new leader.) was also one who "doubts about why humans and monsters must continue to fight" in other words, THE PERFECT COMPATIBLE COMPANION.
And for two, it's a fucking hentai series by some one with very very shitty meta control of his content.
Yes. Holy shit. Like a lot of fiction there are contrived coincidences and circumstances in order to create the scenario present in the setting. It is escapist fantasy porn, and again, just like a lot of fiction there is a bad guy who is bad. God help us all. The death star has an exhaust port just big enough for the torpedo and the emperor is an unrepentant monster. Sauron doesn't guard the volcano and every RomCom ever involves a perfect couple bumping into one another so that hijinks might ensue.
The problem I'm having right now is you keep going back and forth between trying to suggest that the material agrees with what you think, and then when I point out it actually doesn't and you don't seem to know what you're talking about you bounce over to "Well it's hamfisted."
You just don't like the way that it is, and while there's nothing wrong with that there's no interpretation or open end to the setting here. It just plainly is not what you continually suggested it was several comments ago. It's worth mentioning that several of those comments made it seems like you had absolutely no idea what you were talking about even as you presented those statements as though they were on authority. And, that said, I highly doubt you would give a metric fuck about how hamfisted the story had been if it was a bog standard tale of a Heroic knight slaying a vicious and cruel monster lord at the behest of an unquestionably benevolent deity. Or, maybe even more aptly if it had been a dark, grim and dreary story about the destruction of humanity at the hands of rapist monsters? Whatever the case may be, the truth is the story is not and was not ever, ever what you thought it was or wanted to be.
After so much talking stuff what is right and wrong in this world. Any info what comes after the mindflayer? A lot of famous monsters are still wait for a profile since years and will be mad not has been show up.
After so much talking stuff what is right and wrong in this world. Any info what comes after the mindflayer? A lot of famous monsters are still wait for a profile since years and will be mad not has been show up.
Wendigo is out at the moment, though yet to be translated. Kenkou had expressed interest in South American deities as inspiration for something. We'll also likely see more in the same region/vein as Mind flayer since it's entry seems to imply there are things it worships and possibly other species in the deeps.