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Tag Discussion: mikupa

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Mikupa is a concert, as stated on the wiki page. Content I'd expect to see under this tag includes http://miku.sega.jp/39/img/daikanshasai/mainimage_2.jpg and http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=25660014. However, it instead contains pics related to Miku Day and 39. Mikupa is not equivalent to Miku Day and was in fact held on 3/8 of this year.

I think a tag covering the homophone 39 would be more appropriate. A Miku Day tag alone wouldn't suffice, as many pictures submitted on Miku Day do not reference the day/date, but instead contain 39. It's also worth noting that 39 may be present in pictures that have no relation to Miku Day. Varying examples include post #865310, post #968195, and post #1076737.

The scope of such a tag might need defining. Should Miku Day pictures without date/digits be included (e.g. one that says ミクの日)? What about pictures containing 39 or March 9 but have no relation to Miku?

Updated by user 358670

Yes, see post #934904. We'd have 999 tags pretty soon just from covering all popular character's numbers.
Therefore, I suggest using a single tag for this concept. (as I already did in the pointless pools thread about pool #5196)
That seems to be henmere's suggestion as well.

Other than the ones in the image above, I often see 763 (namusan) and 7日 (nanoka)
What tag name could cover all those cases?

Pyrolight said:
Tags should be as specific as possible. 39 for the number is fine, 39 for 3/9 would be an incorrect and confusion usage.

39's giving day would be ideal.

That would just be shifting from one concert to another, while keeping the same shortcomings mikupa has. Miku('s) Day (ミクの日) is what it's called on Pixiv.

While I do understand dates and numbers are two separate things, it's a desire of mine to see March 9th and 39 combined because many pictures submitted for Miku Day use the number instead of the date. It's my understanding that 2012 and similar tags have this dual functionality.

S1eth said:
Yes, see post #934904. We'd have 999 tags pretty soon just from covering all popular character's numbers.
Therefore, I suggest using a single tag for this concept. (as I already did in the pointless pools thread about pool #5196)
That seems to be henmere's suggestion as well.

Other than the ones in the image above, I often see 763 (namusan) and 7日 (nanoka)
What tag name could cover all those cases?

I'm proposing a dual number/date tag that need not be tied to a single character. Considering the number of days in a year, we don't have to worry about there being 999 of them. I won't argue about whether every date should or shouldn't have its own tag, but 3/9 in particular is noteworthy. mikupa date:>=2012-03-08 is already at 5 pages, and that doesn't include all Miku Day pictures, as I've declined to use the tag myself. Neither does it contain non-Miku pictures. With the examples you've given, I've identified two such holidays, konpaku_youmu date:2011-04-05..2011-04-07 and nagae_iku date:2012-01-08..2012-01-10. At a glance, I didn't see anything that would contribute towards 46 or 19.

Really, I just wanted a Miku Day related tag. It's a significant Pixiv holiday, with 3500 Miku pictures submitted in those 24 hours (up from 2300 last year), followed by another 1600 the next day. As I said before though, many such pictures use a number instead of a day/date, so I only saw it working well by broadening the scope to cover 39 in general use. For example, should post #1115441 be tagged differently from post #964060 based on submission date? And for the Zaku and Zangoose fans who feel it unfair that Miku gets 3/9 all to herself, I figured anything 39 or 3/9 related would be acceptable; not like it wouldn't be mostly Miku anyway.

I wouldn't be opposed to a tag that covers number and or dates used as homophones, but I think the significance of Miku Day warrants its own tag.

Then I'd do this:
Images celebrating the day go into pool #5196.
Images with Miku + 39 are tagged number_homophone or whatever you want to call it.
Images of the concert are tagged mikupa.
These are not mutually exclusive.

pool #5196 would have some problems, though:
Is is tagged *ミクの日?
Is it tagged ミクの日 (reader-added tag, doesn't count)?
Did the artist intend to make a reference to the day? (even if he/she didn't tag it)
Danbooru users disregard the rules and add random "39" images to the pool
Can't verify some images because of bad_id
Non-pixiv posts? Verifiable?

Can post #1115591 go in there even though there is nothing in the image itself that would suggest a connection?

Dbx said:
That would just be shifting from one concert to another, while keeping the same shortcomings mikupa has. Miku('s) Day (ミクの日) is what it's called on Pixiv.

You could have two tags mikupa for all the other concerts and 39 giving day for the 3/9 concerts.

You could tag each concert with type:date or type:location aka 39 giving day:2012 and mikupa:singapore.

You could make a single tag for all of it which mikupa would be the best.

While I do understand dates and numbers are two separate things, it's a desire of mine to see March 9th and 39 combined because many pictures submitted for Miku Day use the number instead of the date.

The number would have to show up in the image itself. How pixiv tags does not necessarily indicate how danbooru tags.

It's my understanding that 2012 and similar tags have this dual functionality.

It is a bit of a special case since it appears the same in both cases.

Basically tag what you see and tag should be what you see.

aka 3/9 =/= 39 visually so it should not be tagged as such.

That being said others might see it differently.

S1eth said:
Then I'd do this:
Images celebrating the day go into pool #5196.
Images with Miku + 39 are tagged number_homophone or whatever you want to call it.
Images of the concert are tagged mikupa.
These are not mutually exclusive.

I'd much rather use a tag for images containing 39, the date 3/9, or some reference to that date. "Images celebrating the day" is only determined by the artist's intent, which is too troublesome to determine. It's no coincidence that there's a 10 fold increase in the number of Miku pictures submitted that day; nearly all of them are for celebrating. Consider the source of post #1116481 as an example of troublesome to determine intent.

Pyrolight said:
You could have two tags mikupa for all the other concerts and 39 giving day for the 3/9 concerts.

You could tag each concert with type:date or type:location aka 39 giving day:2012 and mikupa:singapore.

You could make a single tag for all of it which mikupa would be the best.

Check mikupa. The whole point of this topic is to bring up the fact that there isn't a single picture under mikupa that's related to the concerts.

The number would have to show up in the image itself. How pixiv tags does not necessarily indicate how danbooru tags.

That's the idea, and there are plenty such pictures to occupy a 39 tag.

It is a bit of a special case since it appears the same in both cases.

Basically tag what you see and tag should be what you see.

aka 3/9 =/= 39 visually so it should not be tagged as such.

That being said others might see it differently.

This is untrue. It could have 2012, 12, Heisei 24, or just be a picture of a dragon.

Figured I could clarify my position more.

First, there's no need to treat tags like a limited resource.

Second, the proposed criteria is completely objective and based on the image alone; thus there's no need for a pool.

Third, slippery slope arguments are invalid. Just because we have tags for eye color doesn't mean we need one corresponding to every color in a 120 count box of Crayola Crayons. Or just because we have a 2girls tag doesn't mean we need one for 10girls.

A tag's merits should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. I hope I made my case for a 39 tag, though if someone's missing the point, note that I'm just trying to find something to rename mikupa to. To say that there's no need for such a tag is to say that the content under mikupa need not be tagged together as such, and mikupa should cease to exist (so long as there is no truly mikupa-related content on Danbooru).

Dbx said:

Check mikupa. The whole point of this topic is to bring up the fact that there isn't a single picture under mikupa that's related to the concerts.

I was getting into how the tag should be spit if they were split. I missed the forest for the trees.

Also as it stands even without concert images the tag is being used incorrectly.

- Concert images should be easy enough to find with concert + mikupa if there are any and assuming people can tag worth a damn.

- You could make mikupa specific to the concert(s) and create a new tag for all the non concert images but the question is what would be overall more confusing?

That's the idea, and there are plenty such pictures to occupy a 39 tag.

pointless if it is used incorrectly though.

This is untrue. It could have 2012, 12, Heisei 24, or just be a picture of a dragon.

While I can see what you are saying here to me the difference is this:

2012 is specific and understandable to everyone putting in the tag search. That is 2012 is identical in tag and meaning. You want the year or number.

39 being used for 3/9 is not necessarily obvious (it's specific to miku) to most users and is not consistent since day/month or month/day vary by country.

I am not saying don't do it, I am trying to give my reasoning since you said the tag got nuked before.

Figured I could clarify my position more.

First, there's no need to treat tags like a limited resource.

No one does.

Third, slippery slope arguments are invalid. Just because we have tags for eye color doesn't mean we need one corresponding to every color in a 120 count box of Crayola Crayons. Or just because we have a 2girls tag doesn't mean we need one for 10girls.

Slippery slope does "matter" since people were making 7girls and such tags. There was a discussion which all 7/8/9girls tags became 6+girls.

People try to tag everything as correctly as they can and things can get out of hand.

I don't think it is an issue here but it does happen.

A tag's merits should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. I hope I made my case for a 39 tag, though if someone's missing the point, note that I'm just trying to find something to rename mikupa to. To say that there's no need for such a tag is to say that the content under mikupa need not be tagged together as such, and mikupa should cease to exist (so long as there is no truly mikupa-related content on Danbooru).

You have to remember you are effectively creating a new type of date tag. While it might be fine it is the only example of a month tag (that I could find) is 9/11.

Anyway this all being said, if nothing happens with the thread on way or the other in the next few days I would make the tag and see what happens.

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