Danbooru

Undine tag: Character or general case?

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After stumbling onto salamander as a character tag, I've swapped it over to general, updated the Wiki for to include both the animal and the mythological creature, and I've since moved onto the other three elemental spirits that Paracelsus named: sylph, gnome, and undine.

The first two were no problem, but the last one presents a conundrum. I would like to use undine as a general tag, but one of Dizzy from Guilty Gear's wing-creatures is named Undine. Only 8 images (including 1 deleted) out of 159 for that tag don't refer to this character.

My preference is to move all relevant images into Undine (Guilty Gear), but I just wanted to make sure that no one has a problem with that due to the historical usage of the tag and would prefer me to make something like undine (spirit), undine (mythology), etc.

I'd like to add some to the list. draenei is chartag, and blood_elf is gentag, I don't see why is that. Also, a lot of class names in several mmo games need revision, especially ragnarok online and world of warcraft. I had a list on anoher computer, but now I can't get acces to it :/
I also suggest that we move this thread to something like "Chartags that need to be gentags and vice versa".

MagicalAsparagus said:

Yeah, probably. But then again, orcs, elves, orges etc are gentags. This is so confusing ._.

I guess it's because ones like mithra belong to a specific copyright and could be thought of as a 'character' of sorts, while elves and the rest are well-known concepts, and their exact design varies a lot depending on the artist. [/wildguessing]

I wondered about this myself.

We have established that most (all?) mythical beasts and monster species are general tags.
For RPG games, we have a weird system where we often use the name of a character class or the race as a character tag because the actual characters are often unnamed.
There are 3 types:
named characters in the story of a given race.
a limited selection of looks for your character (for example princess_(7th_dragon) is 1 tag for 4 different characters. (they actually have names!))
an extensive customization system often found in MMOs.

and I think the race tag as a character tag is only useful for original characters, and the class tag as character is useful for unnamed (NOT original) characters.

It's quite ridiculous in the Macross universe when you have every image of Klan Klein also tagged with zentradi and meltrandi (meltrandi = female zentradi) = 3 character tags.

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BCI_Temp said:

I am in favor of splitting game-specific class characters into their own character and retaining the generic name as a general tag.

Yeah, that's most logical, of course. It would also separate for example WoW's paladins from RO's paladins. But then we should decide when we use the gentags like paladin, warrior, hunter etc as well. I still think we should do as we did with rogue.

General guide: if a game/series/etc has a generic class name as the only reference to characters, use that + _(qualifier). Base tag without qualifier will be gentag.

The only time you don't need a qualifier is if it's exclusive to a single the franchise.

S1eth said:

Tagging mecha as characters (but all other vehicles/aircraft/etc. are general) goes WAY back.
Earliest thread I could find topic #1924.

Yeah, thanks.

"Mechas are usually defined as characters, since they are basically characters of their respective copyrights in and of themselves."

Okay, I don't just get it.

jxh2154 said:

General guide: if a game/series/etc has a generic class name as the only reference to characters, use that + _(qualifier). Base tag without qualifier will be gentag.

The only time you don't need a qualifier is if it's exclusive to a single the franchise.

That is all right, but do we need both the gentag and the chartag, like for example hunter and hunter_(ragnarok_online) in the same post?

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