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Syque said:
One possible spoiler from the sisters tag is showing that Rin and Sakura from Fate/Stay Night are sisters, which we don't find out until near the end of the game. (Spoilers for Fate/Stay Night)
This spoiler is four years old. Two years old if you count the anime which was subbed into English two years ago.
evazion said:
I understand your point about collection tags, but I still think siblings is useful. For example, I might want to find cute pictures of siblings hugging each other or the like. AFAIK it isn't possible to do a search like "(~sisters ~brother_or_sister ~twins) hug order:score" so without the siblings tag I'd have to do three separate searches.
Let me reformulate what I said. sisters and brothers are bad tags, and siblings is a collection of those tags. Are you going to tag every post with hiiragi_tsukasa and hiiragi_kagami with sisters and every post with alphonse_elric and edward_elric with brothers? What's the point? It's just a word, it doesn't describe a picture in any way and is dependent on the context of the copyright, it's useless.
Well, if we did keep sisters and brothers then they would implicate siblings.
BUT, I agree with memegui(!) that sisters and brothers are bad tags to begin with. They are not descriptive of the image and the ONLY purpose they can serve is to spoil people when it's plot relevant. I'm really not sure the excuse of breaking down incest by familial relation is worth it.
EmperorBrandon said:
One thing I'm wondering is, should the wiki entries on redundant or mistaken tag names be deleted?
jxh2154 said:
If the tag isn't, and isn't supposed to be, used, then yes the wiki page should be deleted too or people will think it's still a valid tag.
What I always used to do when a tag was renamed (not necessarily an artist tag. In fact, this would be before tags were typed) was replace the contents with "see new tag".
wanchan said: What I always used to do when a tag was renamed (not necessarily an artist tag. In fact, this would be before tags were typed) was replace the contents with "see new tag".
Okay, that's a better idea. I support that. It's something easy to remove if the tag in question becomes a legitimate tag for another purpose later on.
memegui said:
Are you going to tag every post with hiiragi_tsukasa and hiiragi_kagami with sisters and every post with alphonse_elric and edward_elric with brothers?
Of course not, for the same reason I don't tag every Tsukasa/Kagami post as twins: usually it's not relevant to the picture if all they're doing is standing around being twin sisters. It's no different than with a lot of other tags: just because a tag may be descriptive doesn't mean it's always relevant. However, in some cases it is relevant that they're twin sisters so the post should be tagged as such.
jxh2154 said:
Well, if we did keep sisters and brothers then they would implicate siblings.
They already do, hence the reason for the twins -> siblings implication.
jxh2154 said:
They are not descriptive of the image and the ONLY purpose they can serve is to spoil people when it's plot relevant.
The F/SN posts are just a bad example. It's true, those posts shouldn't be tagged as sisters as the characters in question look nothing alike and the only way you would know they are sisters is if you're familiar with the copyright. That doesn't mean we should do away with the tags entirely because of that one example. The tags are useful when the characters look visibly related and and it's otherwise relevant to the picture that they are related. Most of the F/SN posts fail both tests. post #336375 is a post where sisters is descriptive and relevant.
At the very least the tags allow you to differentiate sister/sister twins and brother/sister twins, which I think is worthwhile.
evazion said: The F/SN posts are just a bad example.
I'm just speaking generally about the tag, I'm not familiar with the F/SN spoiler (and hope to stay that way, as I haven't seen it yet, though I own the DVDs and plan to watch quite soon!) so I can't comment on that one specifically.
At the very least the tags allow you to differentiate sister/sister twins and brother/sister twins, which I think is worthwhile.
I can tentatively support that, but ONLY if it's used in that sort of situation. And even then it seems like it'd unnecessarily cause some spoilers...
It's no different than with a lot of other tags: just because a tag may be descriptive doesn't mean it's always relevant.
This however I can agree with wholeheartedly. A distinction I wish more people understood!
