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Uploading anime video clips

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So... is there any sort of official ruling or guidelines on uploading whole straight-up unedited clips from anime? With the new(ish) ability to upload animated files with sound, it was sort of inevitable, but I don't see any real rules for this. Considering this takes Danbooru from the threat of a few angry artists to outright having major companies being able to file copyright violation claims, this seems like new territory.

I know that we don't generally approve of screencaps of anime, but that may well be more of a quality issue, so I'm wondering what we're supposed to do about these, and if the guidelines need to be updated to give some instructions to uploaders, here.

Well, that's not really my point. (Besides, unless we had a NicoNicoDouga-style user-editable pop-up keyed to times in an animation, animations are always a problem for adding notes... But that's a totally different discussion.)

I mean, animated gifs made of some anime series scenes tend to get overlooked, but if we have straight-up video clips, Danbooru is exposed for copyright violations, for one...

Doesn't @NWF_Renim upload a lot of these or am I missing the point? I don't see any reason why anime clips should be deleted (as long as we don't flood Danbooru with them). Kinda the same situation with Doujins. They are allowed, but one shouldn't upload to many of them.

I ask because,

A) We have a rule against screenshots of anime, so in the vacuum of rules about animated clips, it is reasonable to ask if that rule extends into captured clips of anime.

B) There is a much more significant copyright/DMCA threat issue, especially since, in the absence of any rules, it's hypothetically possible for someone to put up a whole anime episode one clip at a time. If you look at, say, this one, it's the complete OP of an anime. YouTube has a whole system (which is highly controversial and easily abused) dedicated to covering itself legally.

Provence said:

Doesn't @NWF_Renim upload a lot of these or am I missing the point? I don't see any reason why anime clips should be deleted (as long as we don't flood Danbooru with them). Kinda the same situation with Doujins. They are allowed, but one shouldn't upload to many of them.

Well kind of wanted to avoid entering this since I have uploaded several such clips (9 with audio, 7 of which have subtitles, and 3 which are insert songs). I don't have a particularly strong interesting in protecting them, though out of those I do have a minor desire toward retention of insert songs (specifically those that are insert songs with no interruptions).

NWSiaCB said:

I ask because,

A) We have a rule against screenshots of anime, so in the vacuum of rules about animated clips, it is reasonable to ask if that rule extends into captured clips of anime.

B) There is a much more significant copyright/DMCA threat issue, especially since, in the absence of any rules, it's hypothetically possible for someone to put up a whole anime episode one clip at a time. If you look at, say, this one, it's the complete OP of an anime. YouTube has a whole system (which is highly controversial and easily abused) dedicated to covering itself legally.

I believe on screenshots it's more of an issue of quality, as most are generated using over air broadcast episodes suffering compression artifacts, and the bulk of screencaps can be, well artistically worthless. A stitch depicting the entire character might be one thing, but a random frame out of an uninteresting shot is just going to be junk. For animation, I think that it's inevitable to have some compression artifacting with them and as long as it is moving the same degree of artifacting that would be horrible for a still is usually not an issue with animation.

As for rules, I feel that the ToS rule against uploading entire serialized manga would be the one that would be most applicable toward trying to upload an entire episode of anime. As the underlying reason against uploading the manga would be just as applicable to trying to upload anime. As for asking whether that applies to an entire skit of anime as opposed to the entire episode, I'll leave that for someone else to hammer out.

On the copyright/DMCA threat issue, it perhaps opens the door wider and thus easier for such an issue, but the site has always been open to such a threat simply for hosting artbooks and various flash videos that contain various copyrighted songs (see music_video tag).

Beyond an outright ban, reducing the lengths of the clips from anime might reduce the threat of having them on the site. While an agreed upon length might not be short enough to cover your example (would take a sub 18 second length), can certainly prevent lengths that would allow for OPs and EDs.

Kikimaru said:

plz no

... Except that isn't subtitled, nor is it a video (with sound, that is), so your example would even be impacted by that.

NWF_Renim said:

I believe on screenshots it's more of an issue of quality, as most are generated using over air broadcast episodes suffering compression artifacts, and the bulk of screencaps can be, well artistically worthless. A stitch depicting the entire character might be one thing, but a random frame out of an uninteresting shot is just going to be junk. For animation, I think that it's inevitable to have some compression artifacting with them and as long as it is moving the same degree of artifacting that would be horrible for a still is usually not an issue with animation.

As for rules, I feel that the ToS rule against uploading entire serialized manga would be the one that would be most applicable toward trying to upload an entire episode of anime. As the underlying reason against uploading the manga would be just as applicable to trying to upload anime. As for asking whether that applies to an entire skit of anime as opposed to the entire episode, I'll leave that for someone else to hammer out.

On the copyright/DMCA threat issue, it perhaps opens the door wider and thus easier for such an issue, but the site has always been open to such a threat simply for hosting artbooks and various flash videos that contain various copyrighted songs (see music_video tag).

Beyond an outright ban, reducing the lengths of the clips from anime might reduce the threat of having them on the site. While an agreed upon length might not be short enough to cover your example (would take a sub 18 second length), can certainly prevent lengths that would allow for OPs and EDs.

In that case, I guess I'll go ahead and approve the ones I was holding back upon... (Although the Maid Dragon ones seem to already be approved.)

Currently video uploads must be less than two minutes long, so there is a limit on things. But I agree, I don't think these things belong here regardless of length. Setting aside quality and legality issues, I don't think it's on-topic. It should be obvious that our focus is on archiving fan art. If you want random anime webms, there are other sites for that. I wouldn't want to see us getting flooded with that here.

But I agree, I don't think these things belong here regardless of length. Setting aside quality and legality issues, I don't think it's on-topic. It should be obvious that our focus is on archiving fan art.

Agree with this (although I'm fine with having official art here as well).

And what about this one: post #2160258

Precisely 2 minutes of video lifted straight from the anime (complete with sound) with the exception of a fading out that has been added at the end seemingly solely in order to conceal just how awkward and arbitrary it is to end the video at that point.

And stuff like post #2142988 which is playing two different scenes from two different anime side by side, complete with overlapping and thus clashing sound, and a random couple of seconds stuck in at the end that have no relation whatsoever to the point of the image...

In fact @FinderX seems to have uploaded rather a lot of this sort of thing.

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