The last discusssion was 6-7 years ago in topic #5977.
It makes no sense to not have one as a subset of the other, because visually they're pretty much impossible to be told apart in most pictures from a normal user's point of view unless they're cut in half or very well drawn (and even then it's not always immediate).
Yeah, biologically mandarin oranges are not oranges and oranges have a harder peel and are bigger, but biological definitions just for their own sake have no place in danbooru tagging.
EDIT: This tag implication has been rejected because it was not approved within 60 days.
There are actually a lot of differences between them, though i agree, in drawings they're harder to tell apart.
In real life they're easier to tell apart because of the shape, color and markings. Orange is round, fist sized, sweet-sour taste and orange. Mandarine's (Tangerine) are smaller, also round, sweeter and a more red shade of orange. Clementines are small like mandarins, less sour, flatter than the other 2 and a more yellow shade of orange. Yes, there are other types of citrus family that can be mixed up visually between these 3 and the grapefruit as well. I've also seen that in a lot of US or Japanese markets, clementines are just labeled mandarine while the true mandarine can't be found.
MOst images on here are actually clementine but, because of a decision long ago, those got lobbed in with mandarine...orange.
i think Clementine and Mandarin being lobbed together was already enough mixing apples and oranges. I would have never wanted even that/ The orange being larger in size is enough of a distinction i would say.
Edit: I take that back, sure +1 in most of the images, citruses are drawn as just a yellow-orange blob anyway. Totally indistinguishable. In some of them they are clearly distinguishable and even have text but maybe we can make the orange tag more general like orange_(citrus). Let's just make sure to implicate every version - Mandarin, tangerine, Clementine and note it in the wiki.
There are actually a lot of differences between them, though i agree, in drawings they're harder to tell apart.
In real life they're easier to tell apart because of the shape, color and markings. Orange is round, fist sized, sweet-sour taste and orange. Mandarine's (Tangerine) are smaller, also round, sweeter and a more red shade of orange. Clementines are small like mandarins, less sour, flatter than the other 2 and a more yellow shade of orange. Yes, there are other types of citrus family that can be mixed up visually between these 3 and the grapefruit as well. I've also seen that in a lot of US or Japanese markets, clementines are just labeled mandarine while the true mandarine can't be found.
MOst images on here are actually clementine but, because of a decision long ago, those got lobbed in with mandarine...orange.
i think Clementine and Mandarin being lobbed together was already enough mixing apples and oranges. I would have never wanted even that/ The orange being larger in size is enough of a distinction i would say.
Well the problem is that clementines, tangerines and mikan are all aliased to mandarin_orange. And again, we shouldn't care about distinctions that cannot be shown in a picture. If those three are aliased to one despite being different biologically I see no issue in implicating mandarin oranges to oranges.
Just to be clear: tangerines were from Tangiers; mandarins from south China ( approx ); clementines hybridized between oranges and mandarins by a French monk in Algiers where Tangiers is. And there are also satsumas.
That exhausts the last residue of interest I can feel in this topic.
Well the problem is that clementines, tangerines and mikan are all aliased to mandarin_orange. And again, we shouldn't care about distinctions that cannot be shown in a picture. If those three are aliased to one despite being different biologically I see no issue in implicating mandarin oranges to oranges.
See any of the 1.5k posts tagged as orange -mikan -orange_slice. Half of them are either mistags because people can't tell them apart, or stuff like post #2753386 where it's impossible to tell whether it's a clementine, a tangerine or an orange.
See any of the 1.5k posts tagged as orange -mikan -orange_slice. Half of them are either mistags because people can't tell them apart,
The fact that you can recognize half of them are mistag indicate it is possible to tell them apart
or stuff like post #2753386 where it's impossible to tell whether it's a clementine, a tangerine or an orange.
The top of the fruit is lowered so at least it can be said that it is not an orange orange, whether it is clementine or tangerine is irrelevant since they are currently aliased toward mandarin orange
