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I noticed a strange issue with the auto-deletion of images that go three days or more without approval. I was going to post it in the appeals thread since that seemed the best place and I'd likely appeal my image, but someone already did and were told to make a new thread.
There's mine, used as an example of this case.
Updated by FeKa
葉月 said:
Your explaining skills leave a lot to be desired.Summary of the issue: Images get flagged by albert with the reason "Unapproved in three days" instead of being deleted. Started doing so recently. Reasons unknown.
Albert?
I assumed that anyone with a modicum of sense could see what the issue is and wrote a quick blurb before going off to do other things with my time.
0xCCBA696 said:
Not good enough, since 葉月's response explained what you were trying to say better than you did yourself in less space, even including the parts of his response dedicated to chastising you.
Contrary to popular belief, shorter does not always equal less time spent in writing it. In order to write something in a manner both succinct and thorough, you need to sit down, analyze precisely what aspects of the issue need to come across to others, then put them in the fewest useful words you can.
I don't know how much experience you personally have with writing, but there's a certain point at which it takes more effort to write a five page paper than a twenty page one on a given subject.
The same principle applies here. 葉月 made an effort to state the problem. I threw it out there expecting that anyone with the ability to think could see the issue at hand if they have an example as reference. It's not like this was some complex bug.
Any reasonable person would expect you to actually fucking state what the problem is, instead of creating puzzles where you didn't even link to the thread it was originally reported in. Somehow there are always 10x as many problems around you than in other places. Enjoy your updated record.
Neg record report from 葉月:
"forum #14168. Instead of stating what the problem is, creates hoops for everyone caring enough to read his thread, and then stacks posts upon posts explaining how this actually saved time."
No. I presumed that it wouldn't take a ton of explanation, and gave a link as an example. I do not see how one link constitutes "hoops" plural. The simple fact of the matter is that this issue did not seem like it needed much more than "here's an example you can look at" both for ease of explanation and so that the person can actually see what the problem is for him/herself instead of sticking to an explanation. Generally, it's better to see such things for yourself than trying to imagine it, and more accurately honed to this case, it's better to have the example immediately linked rather than having to hunt it down.
This record also frames the situation in a way that makes me look malevolent. I wrote a simple, quick blurb in the interest of helping danbooru when nobody else had made a thread about it after 8 hours of it being mentioned in the deletion appeals thread. I defended myself. Looking back perhaps I defended myself a little too strongly, but my capabilities were put into question and I followed the very natural inclination to say something from my side of the story.
tl;dr: Nobody else was doing it. I did something quick expecting it to be self-explanatory. My capabilities were called into question so I naturally defended myself, then got treated like a villain for having to do so repeatedly.
Well, fuck it. You're not only rude enough to trade 15s of your time for 5 minutes of everyone else's, but you're also dumb enough to state that in writing. And you always create trouble with inevitable lengthy explanations of how it wasn't actually your but everyone else's fault. Fuck that shit, I'm not having you around anymore.
Edit: because there was salarta's post inbetween two mine, which I intended to follow immediately each other, lemme quote the relevant passage:
The same principle applies here. 葉月 made an effort to state the problem. I threw it out there expecting that anyone with the ability to think could see the issue at hand if they have an example as reference. It's not like this was some complex bug.
Translation: "I can't write for shit and I don't care if you have to spend time hunting for a single post in another HUGE thread I didn't even link to, because I sure can't be fucked to write one sentence to explain what the issue is". You know what's even easier than writing 20 pages? Banning you, that's what's easier.
jxh2154 said:
Uh, at any rate, I doubt albert would actually change the autodeletion policy without asking or telling anyone else first, so if there's no response from him to the contrary by tomorrow, I'm going to clear the posts in question from the flagged queue.
The extra "Unapproved in three days" Flagged posts are making the moderation queue a bit long so I tried to cull some of the shittier ones. Unfortunately I misunderstood the function of the "Approve" button on the Flagged queue to finalize the deletion of those posts but it actually unflags them as I have now figured out.
So umm, sorry for unflagging a bunch of shitty posts just now.
Now that I'm unblocked, I'm going to have my final say.
You have no rules. The ones you do have refer to what content you can upload.
I posted as I did in the first post of this thread because it looked like something that took nothing more than an example of the problem, which takes all of one click to see. A simple, quick message to alert the staff to an issue, and more importantly, have an actual example so they don't have to hunt down one to see it themselves. There's no format we're told to follow when reporting bugs, and an explanation of it looked moot when it's so obvious when looking at an example.
I responded too strong to 葉月 in the start, I admit that. It was because I read his message the wrong way. Members of the staff and I have grown a mutual negative view of each other, and that affected how I interpreted his message.
In my last neg record, 葉月 made me out to be intentionally malicious, and the posts here added to that by framing me as inept on top of that. Something I know many will jump to agree with, however wrong it is. 0xCCBA696 claimed something, I defended it. Simple.
Let me set something straight right here and now: I don't get off to "causing fires," most of the time these things happen because I care enough to say something and the staff acts like misjudgments and errors I make are either intentional or worse than they are. I made this post because I cared, and here's the lesson I've learned for being "punished" a week ago: do nothing on danbooru, just in case you slip up somewhere and get reamed for it. All I needed was "we don't have an official rule or format for it, but we expect a better explanation when someone reports bugs; do better next time." Not remarks that push me to defend myself rather than admit fault, and in return for defending myself, having someone villainize me for my good intentions then block me for a week.
Out of these recent events, I've come to a simple conclusion.
Fuck it.
I've seen enough of the way this place runs: heavy-handed and over-critical. When someone asks repeatedly for help figuring out what you mean by "danbooru quality," instead of explaining it to him, you give him a neg record for "annoy[ing] everyone." You blocked another for "abysmal quality of translations," a first time offense of any kind from him judging by that as his sole neg record. The records mean more than a symbol of reputation, since in one case, you've used the number of neg records someone has as a way to argue getting someone blocked.
I'm not going to twist things; I got a lot out of this place. I got into pixiv, I started searching more ardently, uncovered Japanese web search engines to reach art nobody's seen before. I liked the format of danbooru, the way you could run a search for terms and see a bunch of images related to each other with ease through thumbnails. Some of the things, I searched for and uploaded (NGE, anyone?) because I wanted to add to danbooru. But in the end, the problems outweigh the plusses.
I'm done. I'm not posting in the forum anymore after this message. If I'm not blocked after this post (either that or ignoring this post completely are the only two possible responses I'll get), my uploads will be significantly less and directed only toward personal interests. Why am I making a post about all this at all? Because I cared, I feel like an idiot for trying to conform to the always elusive, never-explained standards you guys have, and I needed to do this for me before I move on to better things. I wouldn't waste my time doing this for you; I know my input and efforts mean nothing here, and there are thousands of other members who upload every day to replace me.
And one last note. Why did I always post on the forum instead of contacting a mod? So that everyone could benefit from the answer, not just me.
Don't waste your time replying unless it's amongst yourselves; I'm not going to read this topic again.
In any case, this is probably related to forum #14336.
You can keep track of this bug in http://trac.donmai.us/ticket/491
Yay salarta. I'm not reading that.
No, you won't be posting in the forum *or* images, because you're being immediately re-blocked now for such an absurd outburst. I gave you a lot of leeway early on even when you were being unusually high maintenance - but this is just entirely too much, man.
Reassess your priorities.
That is also happened to me at my post too.
Is there any how to prevent unapproved or how to approved an
image?
Or maybe I'm missing something?
