Let's try this again. Previously discussed in topic #15876. It's impossible to tell apart lipstick vs normal colored lips, and we shouldn't be tagging individual colored lipstick tubes anyway, for which there's already lipstick tube.
Only question is what to do with lipstick itself, which implies all of these colored lipstick tags. I'd say nuke it, or turn it into something like nail polish, where it's used only when it's clear something is lipstick, in combination with colored lips tags. Specific tags like lipstick mark and lipstick ring can stay, but we don't need stuff like specific lipstick ring tags, for example.
Evazion proposed a colored lips tag in the previous topic. Aliasing lipstick to it would be an option, though we'd have to keep pink lips separated from it, but I'm not 100% sold on the idea given that I've seen some people mistag lipstick tube as lipstick before.
If we decide to proceed with this alias request, then we first need to remove all of the *_lipstick -> lipstick implications. Lipstick currently implies makeup and we probably don't want it added to every *_lips post.
If we decide to use lipstick as an umbrella tag, then we probably would need to remove the lipstick -> makeup implication. Which BTW is something I've thought about before, in my opinion makeup should be reserved for post where makeup is particularly notable.
If we decide to proceed with this alias request, then we first need to remove all of the *_lipstick -> lipstick implications. Lipstick currently implies makeup and we probably don't want it added to every *_lips post.
lipstick can be used for when actual lipstick is 100% visible and not ambiguous, but the question remains of what to do with the 34k posts currently tagged with it that simply got pulled by the colored lipstick tags that people used instead of *_lips.
Also, you probably didn't notice the edit to my previous post. Lipstick -> makeup implication would have to be removed as a part of the second BUR for it to work.
Edit:
I've created lipstick writing. Need help populating it though.
Could it be important to separate the implication removals and aliases? I'm not sure how the order of operations works with BURs, but if the aliases go through before the removals then those tags might be added regardless.
Also, you probably didn't notice the edit to my previous post. Lipstick -> makeup implication would have to be removed as a part of the second BUR for it to work.
If we keep the lipstick tag for when it's actually noticeable that it's lipstick then it can still imply makeup. Lipstick marks make it obvious it's not just colored lips, for example.
Obstetrics said:
Could it be important to separate the implication removals and aliases? I'm not sure how the order of operations works with BURs, but if the aliases go through before the removals then those tags might be added regardless.
The order *should* be respected since BURs are sequential.
If we keep the lipstick tag for when it's actually noticeable that it's lipstick then it can still imply makeup. Lipstick marks make it obvious it's not just colored lips, for example.
That's not my concern. Makeup tag is defined as "Any type of makeup worn on the face." We can have a character with lipstick marks all over his/her body, but no makeup on the face, or face not visible. Or posts with lipstick_writing, but no makeup on the character.
That's not my concern. Makeup tag is defined as "Any type of makeup worn on the face." We can have a character with lipstick marks all over his/her body, but no makeup on the face, or face not visible. Or posts with lipstick_writing, but no makeup on the character.
Ah, yeah, in that case I'll add the unimplication to the second BUR.
-1 Why is this being done again? You're removing all of the "COLOR_lipstick -> lipstick" implications in the first BUR, so the COLOR_lips tags will not automatically be populated with the makeup tag. Lipstick is makeup. Q.E.D.
-1 Why is this being done again? You're removing all of the "COLOR_lipstick -> lipstick" implications in the first BUR, so the COLOR_lips tags will not automatically be populated with the makeup tag. Lipstick is makeup. Q.E.D.
Did you even read everything in this thread? The removal of that implication has nothing to do with the color_lips tags.
MyrMindservant said:
Makeup tag is defined as "Any type of makeup worn on the face." We can have a character with lipstick marks all over his/her body, but no makeup on the face, or face not visible. Or posts with lipstick_writing, but no makeup on the character.
Did you even read everything in this thread? The removal of that implication has nothing to do with the color_lips tags.
I'm sure all makeup could be used in places besides the face. Lipstick's primary use... in fact it's only official use, is for the lips. Nothing else. I stand by my original statement.
Also, nice way to escalate the heat of this topic with your first statement. You should really learn how to communicate better. Reply if you want to get the last word or whatever, but I won't be rechecking this thread.
Makeup tag is defined as "Any type of makeup worn on the face."
To be honest this sentence could be interpreted in two different ways. Either as "Any type of makeup (usually) worn on the face." or "Any type of makeup (that is currently) worn on the face.", not sure which version is the better one but I'm slightly leaning towards the first.
To be honest this sentence could be interpreted in two different ways. Either as "Any type of makeup (usually) worn on the face." or "Any type of makeup (that is currently) worn on the face.", not sure which version is the better one but I'm slightly leaning towards the first.
I wrote that line in the wiki, although the definition has always been some variation of "wearing makeup on the face". The intent is that makeup is for characters actually wearing makeup and cosmetics is for makeup products, like lipstick tubes or nail polish bottles.
Note that nail polish is a cosmetic product but it doesn't imply makeup because it's not worn on the face. So I'd say that if it's not worn on the face, it shouldn't be tagged makeup.
It comes down to a question of whether you want to be able to search makeup and find all characters wearing makeup, or search lipstick and find other stuff like lipstick mark. To me you can just as easily search lipstick mark if that's what you want.
Also I want to mention that I think pink lipstick / pink lips is heavily overused. Pink is a normal color for lips, in a lot of cases people are tagging pink lips when the character isn't wearing lipstick and there's nothing noteworthy about their lips.
Yeah this is a good point. I'm not so sure of that part of the BUR myself anymore. I'll separate the lipstick implications from it so that they can be approved by themselves.
