I think there's someone going through Hololive posts and downvoting every comment. I've seen several posts where the majority of comments were downvoted by one person. Was wondering if maybe a mod could look into this?
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Unbreakable said:
How do you know it was just by one person?
I've up voted some and the comments stopped being hidden. And I've looked at the comments while searching with the Hololive tag and the pattern is consistent: All if not the majority of comments are hidden because one person has downvoted them.
That doesn't mean it's only one person, it only means those comments only got one downvote, or it could even mean they got several votes both up and down and just happened to have one more downvote than upvotes. They could easily be votes from multiple people. I don't think it's that big of a deal even if one person was downvoting every comment they see. It would be different if it was several downvotes on every comment, since that would suggest bots or sockpuppets were involved.
I mean, I've noticed most of my recent comments dropping by just one point, no matter how innocuous the comment, making it look like someone might be upset with me. That doesn't mean that's what's happening, though, and who cares about one downvote anyway?
indexador2 said:
One downvote will hide a comment from anybody with default comment settings, or browsing without logging in.
Hidden does not mean unviewable, you don't need to do anything to your settings or be logged in to view hidden comments. It's an aesthetic function only, that does nothing more than represent anonymous opinions.
nonamethanks said:
Nah in this case it's all the same user.
Is it something worth doing anything about, then?
blindVigil said:
That doesn't mean it's only one person, it only means those comments only got one downvote, or it could even mean they got several votes both up and down and just happened to have one more downvote than upvotes. They could easily be votes from multiple people. I don't think it's that big of a deal even if one person was downvoting every comment they see. It would be different if it was several downvotes on every comment, since that would suggest bots or sockpuppets were involved.
I mean, I've noticed most of my recent comments dropping by just one point, no matter how innocuous the comment, making it look like someone might be upset with me. That doesn't mean that's what's happening, though, and who cares about one downvote anyway?
Going through a person's comments and downvoting them is considered a bannable offense. How is downvoting every comment about a specific franchise not in the same vein as that?
Deear said:
Going through a person's comments and downvoting them is considered a bannable offense. How is downvoting every comment about a specific franchise not in the same vein as that?
Mass downvoting someone's comments is harassment of another user, downvoting every comment of a particular topic regardless of user is annoying, but not what I would call harassment. The rules don't say you can't do that, as long as you aren't breaking other rules in order to do it.
The rules also don't specify what "mass downvoting" actually means. Is it just going through someone's comments and downvoting most or all of them, or do you need to utilize a rulebreaking method to downvote each comment more than once for it to be considered "mass". I'm actually curious.
I'm still looking into this and thinking about it, but the basic fix will be to rework the comment system to display scores and lower the default threshold to -5 or something. I generally think that a single downvote on a comment shouldn't matter, comments shouldn't be hidden unless they're heavily downvoted, and ideally there should be enough other voting activity that single downvotes like this shouldn't even be noticeable.
blindVigil said:
Mass downvoting someone's comments is harassment of another user, downvoting every comment of a particular topic regardless of user is annoying, but not what I would call harassment. The rules don't say you can't do that, as long as you aren't breaking other rules in order to do it.
The rules also don't specify what "mass downvoting" actually means. Is it just going through someone's comments and downvoting most or all of them, or do you need to utilize a rulebreaking method to downvote each comment more than once for it to be considered "mass". I'm actually curious.
I mean considering this is being done on Hololive posts there's a good chance this is some anti trying to attack the Hololive community of this website. I think that can be considered harassment of a community.
Deear said:
I mean considering this is being done on Hololive posts there's a good chance this is some anti trying to attack the Hololive community of this website. I think that can be considered harassment of a community.
I genuinely think you're overreacting here. Even if that were their intention, the way it's being done is a minor nuisance at most. It's a bit much to be treating this like an act of war.
blindVigil said:
I genuinely think you're overreacting here. Even if that were their intention, the way it's being done is a minor nuisance at most. It's a bit much to be treating this like an act of war.
I mean I'm fine with what Evazion is proposing but I don't think just ignoring it is a viable option. These people are petty and rabid, it seems like a bad idea to be showing them any sort of leniency.
Deear said:
I mean I'm fine with what Evazion is proposing but I don't think just ignoring it is a viable option. These people are petty and rabid, it seems like a bad idea to be showing them any sort of leniency.
I think it's just someone tired of seeing Hololive on the comments frontpage, rather than something done maliciously, because before this the user in question had a lot of other votes.
Deear said:
I mean I'm fine with what Evazion is proposing but I don't think just ignoring it is a viable option. These people are petty and rabid, it seems like a bad idea to be showing them any sort of leniency.
Leniency for what, exactly? You're just assuming it must be an anti with malicious intent. They're not manipulating votes, nor are they targeting a specific user. By all accounts, they've broken no listed rules. No one even noticed something was up but you. Can it be called harassment when it it's something so minor no one even noticed it was happening?
You're basically arguing that someone, whom you don't know the identity or thoughts of, should be punished for using a feature of the site as intended, on the assumption that they must be doing so to hurt people.
blindVigil said:
Leniency for what, exactly? You're just assuming it must be an anti with malicious intent. They're not manipulating votes, nor are they targeting a specific user. By all accounts, they've broken no listed rules. No one even noticed something was up but you. Can it be called harassment when it it's something so minor no one even noticed it was happening?
You're basically arguing that someone, whom you don't know the identity or thoughts of, should be punished for using a feature of the site as intended, on the assumption that they must be doing so to hurt people.
No I'm just saying "Ignore it there's nothing wrong here" is not a viable solution. Again I'm fine with Eviazion's solution and they don't NEED to be punished, all I'm saying is that more should be done than nothing to at least prepare for the possibility that others like this person start to appear.
The only actual problem here is the default hidden comment threshold is so high, and individual users with some kind of petty motivation can interfere with the regular use of the commenting system.
Frankly, I think the best solution would be to remove the default threshold entirely, and just make users set one themselves if they want one. Is it worth preserving the conditions that allow drama like this to occur just so that danbooru users are proactively spared from a few genuinely bad comments?
Might I suggest setting the default to -1? That's what I have my own threshold set at. At least, when I started checking the different score levels out, it was at around -2 that a large portion of comments started becoming garbage. Which makes some sense because that takes at least 2 different users to accomplish. At -2, almost all of the comments were complete garbage.
I used the following URL to check the comments out. You can use it if you'd like and adjust the score to see what score level you would suggest.
I think, need site script for check mass aggressive downvote (upvote?) about one day.
help:community rules say:
Don't insult, attack, abuse, threaten, or harass other users.
Don't mass downvote a user's comments to harass them.
help:comments say
You cannot self-upvote (upvote your own comments), and you cannot vote on more than 10 comments per hour.
Script create user vote rating from:
% Upvote/downvote total day comment per user; find only downvote
% Use limit vote per hour basic day limit + tooltip every hour % limit; find mass vote by user/userscript
% vote one user multiply comment by one user. find user attack
If moderator/administrator detect abuse vote system, then create Feedback to user profile. Mass bad Feedback need check for ban user by admin.