Shame vs embarrassed

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create alias shame -> embarrassed

I think those tags describe the same type of emotion. A more descriptive tag is needed. Meanwhile I did not find the usage context difference between shy and embarrassed on their respective Wiki page.
Also, I would like to ask the community's thoughts on how shy and embarrassed should be used separately. As well as if both should be merged by aliasing or not.

I think they're pretty easy to differentiate, but they do easily overlap and shame is definitely under tagged. A lot of things in ruined for marriage would fit under shame.

I dont think shame and embarrassed should be aliased but rather shame should imply embarrassed? shame is just one of the possible reasons for being embarrassed

Mayhem-Chan said:
I dont think shame and embarrassed should be aliased but rather shame should imply embarrassed? shame is just one of the possible reasons for being embarrassed

I think the tag shame is not a really good idea to describe visual components of images. For me it's like evil which is eventually deprecated. Shy or embarrassed is more descriptive because of visible character's expression. Feels kinda redundant to have three tags for similar concept. This site is opting for more descriptive and least subjective tags as possible.

I fully disagree. Even if we decided not to keep shame as a tag, it can't be aliased, because something like post #379195 which is definitely appropriately described as shame is not embarrasment. Shame is just as identifiable as being shy or embarrassed, it's nothing like evil. If there's any problem with these three tags it's that they have high chance to overlap, but they are unquestionably distinct concepts with their own identifying traits.

How about deprecating shame for being too ambiguous and not visually descriptive enough to use? While aliasing embarrassed -> shy? I would like to make another BUR for that issue.

World_Funeral said:

While aliasing embarrassed -> shy? I would like to make another BUR for that issue.

No.

Hillside_Moose said: No.

I wonder why. Is that because when I browsed deeper on the web, it turns out that shy and embarrassed are different words? Despite we generally cannot visually tell apart whether a character is seen embarrassed or shy in context of illustrations. Why would we have two tags for visually similar emotions?

Hillside Moose said:
I see an appreciable difference between being shy (post #6001308) and being embarrassed (post #5866427).

Thank you very much for clarifying.

World_Funeral said:

I wonder why. Is that because when I browsed deeper on the web, it turns out that shy and embarrassed are different words? Despite we generally cannot visually tell apart whether a character is seen embarrassed or shy in context of illustrations. Why would we have two tags for visually similar emotions?

shyness is a character trait though? embarrassment is an emotion, a lot more instances of embarrassment than instances of shyness too.
There sure is overlap in the visual result but definitely not enough for an alias

World_Funeral said:

I wonder why. Is that because when I browsed deeper on the web, it turns out that shy and embarrassed are different words? Despite we generally cannot visually tell apart whether a character is seen embarrassed or shy in context of illustrations. Why would we have two tags for visually similar emotions?

I see an appreciable difference between being shy (post #6001308) and being embarrassed (post #5866427).

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Hillside_Moose said:
I see an appreciable difference between being shy (post #6001308) and being embarrassed (post #5866427).

Appreciable, but not visually distinct. Unlike assault rifle vs. battle rifle that can be told apart based on specific model name. While most battle rifles have magazines with straight profile.
Back to the topic, I guess shame should've be deprecated instead. It's too visually vague.

To add to blindVigil's points:

The way I see it, Shame is usually associated with the underlying implications of failing (social) expectations or being subjected to something that would result in being socially outcaste.

Visually illustrating this context can be very difficult. The subject should be showing signs realizing their situation (covering their faces in shame, embarrassment).
The situation would also be one that the subject would have liked to avoid if possible.

Examples:

• Doing indecent things that they dislike (public nudity?)
• Catastrophic fails, like failing to cook post #3765209,
• Stuff under ruined for marriage, as mentioned before.

In the end, I think this is more of a tagging issue due to the precise visual elements an illustratration would need to properly depict Shame.

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