Blue Archive Clubs Tagging

BUR #14821 has been rejected.

I referred to list of blue archive characters and this site.

First of all I chose posts with the entire club members, and if there were newly registered characters recently, I chose posts with all the previous members.
In some cases, posts include outsiders other than club members.
Clubs with one member was excluded.

Please check the club name to see if it is written correctly and which name suits it better.

P.S Can I modify the BUR request later? If there's anything to change the club name, I'll do it right away.

I strongly dislike - and have made this known in the past - these kind of organization tags. Glancing at your favgroups you're not doing something like a virtual mass update of Tsurugi pics to Justice Comittee, but you can look at tags like team rocket to see that they either get ignored by taggers or just end up on bare ass pics.

If it's a uniform, tag the uniform. If it's a symbol, tag the symbol. Tagging the organiziation, class, company, whatever based purely on whether or not that character is a member of it inevitably ends up being a padding & canon tag.

Veraducks said:

I strongly dislike - and have made this known in the past - these kind of organization tags. Glancing at your favgroups you're not doing something like a virtual mass update of Tsurugi pics to Justice Comittee, but you can look at tags like team rocket to see that they either get ignored by taggers or just end up on bare ass pics.

If it's a uniform, tag the uniform. If it's a symbol, tag the symbol. Tagging the organiziation, class, company, whatever based purely on whether or not that character is a member of it inevitably ends up being a padding & canon tag.

If a club tag is added just by the appearance of one character, maybe all the posts will be plastered with club tags. That's not what I mean.
and If someone uses a club tag on the post of '1girl solo'? That is a complete misunderstanding of this BUR.
What I want is not a club tag hanging on every post like a tag, but to find a combination of people more easily.
It's easy to understand if you think of the tags for the various units in Idolmaster. I made this BUR with that concept in mind.

I don't have a strong opinion on the creation of these tags in general, but I don't think the tags for clubs with only two members are needed. They're just replacing a two tag search. I would also prefer the Global version names of the clubs as the main tags, as they're easier to recognize, especially for the ones that differ more heavily.

blindVigil said:

I don't have a strong opinion on the creation of these tags in general, but I don't think the tags for clubs with only two members are needed. They're just replacing a two tag search.

There are cases where new members are added to clubs that already exist, and also it's a tag that allows you to distinguish them separately with more than two people, so I think it's okay. So guys, please leave your opinions.

blindVigil said:

I would also prefer the Global version names of the clubs as the main tags, as they're easier to recognize, especially for the ones that differ more heavily.

modified to global version.

AkaringoP said:

If a club tag is added just by the appearance of one character, maybe all the posts will be plastered with club tags. That's not what I mean.
and If someone uses a club tag on the post of '1girl solo'? That is a complete misunderstanding of this BUR.
What I want is not a club tag hanging on every post like a tag, but to find a combination of people more easily.
It's easy to understand if you think of the tags for the various units in Idolmaster. I made this BUR with that concept in mind.

There are tons of 1girl solo pics with the Idolmaster costume set tags. In the group set tags, if you search for images of just the constituent characters, you'll find that about half of any given group is not tagged with the group despite clearly being marked as the group. And the costume set tags should probably be broken down into individual chartags or renamed to make them more clear that they're for uniforms. We did the former with similar tags from Fate and Fire Emblem, like Lostroom Outfit.

Veraducks said:

There are tons of 1girl solo pics with the Idolmaster costume set tags.

This BUR is not a topic for costume tags. It's no wonder that costume tags are used for 1girl posts.

I think the group(unit?, club? Whatever..) tag is determined by characters of the unit, not by just looking at the outfit they are wearing. As you mentioned, the tag for the costume needs to be modified with a tag such as '*_(costume)_(idolmaster).

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So I see that you went ahead and made the tags manually. I strongly dislike that and already see issues with it. You've included actual group pictures like post #5882781 right alongside single-character focus images like post #6183101. I really don't understand how both post #5573596 and post #6189561 are equally showing the members of the club.

Even worse is the Justice Task Force. You've brought up how it should have at least three people and tagged it on images like post #6079677, which is three of the same NPC (or post #5921493 for more). Or an actual solo focus picture like post #5615273. This is the exact kind of stuff that makes other organization tags into padding/canon tags. And in the last case, a uniform tag. Plus, you've included former members in the wiki. You didn't edit the character wikis to include these tags, though they all do mention the club names, which should help prevent tag mashing. But...

There is precedence for this idea existing as a pool. We've had pool #10686 for years. A pool would work solidly for something like this, much better than a tag would.

For an example of us getting rid of such tags in the past, we got rid of the gen_*_pokemon tags a while back. And how we have type-focus pools but no water type tag (despite efforts to make them in the past).

okay, I have to apologize and take responsibility for this because I was the one who told AkaringoP to go ahead with it when he brought it up on discord. we've further elucidated it and he's cleaning them up to describe only group photo/lineup images because as you say, the tag applying without equal or near equal group focus is useless when it includes things like post #5573596.

the value in this type of tag and the reason I got behind it was to conveniently find images of Blue Archive organizations, because as of now the equivalent search requires 4+ tags, before considering any image details. I'm aware of pool #10686, and it would theoretically accomplish the same thing because you can search for pool id + one character and find images of the whole group, but the pool itself describes less at a glance than a tag would. of course on the flip side is how such tags beg to be misused for solo/solo focus even if we clarify the wikis, so I have no real preference for either method.

if we decide to make pools the precedent for factions within copyrights, than Girls' Frontline would have to be reworked, by the way. we have tags for small divisions like Anti-Rain, 404, and Defy which are being and have been misused for a while. GFL is also guilty of broader faction tags like Griffin & Kryuger and Sangvis Ferri, so really this points to a larger issue (for another topic).

BobTheBuilder_v1 said:

if we decide to make pools the precedent for factions within copyrights, than Girls' Frontline would have to be reworked, by the way. we have tags for small divisions like Anti-Rain, 404, and Defy which are being and have been misused for a while. GFL is also guilty of broader faction tags like Griffin & Kryuger and Sangvis Ferri, so really this points to a larger issue (for another topic).

That's a topic that is mostly relevant to this one and I've considered making it, but most people simply don't care. Because it actually goes a lot further than these two copyrights and well beyond gacha. GFL pales in comparison to the issues with Idolmaster and Love Live. Arknights has organization and groups tags alongside logo tags with all the same issues. We dealt with the Pokémon ones dealing with creatures, but team rocket still has a lot of Jesse's butt. And there's a uniform and a logo tag, which the team tag causes people to skip tagging.

My constant question with these tags is simple:
Is a composite chartag search actually valuable? We actually do have similar tags for things like starter_pokemon_trio for when they're not consistent taggable designs. But I tend to find that costume, uniform, logo, or similar tags fill the roll better than a class (heh) tag. Class tags tend to just be padding that nobody actually searches for and aren't worth the mass gardening that has to be done and constantly kept up with.