Request Rename (blue_archive)

BUR #15656 has been approved by @evazion.

create alias a.r.o.n.a_(blue_archive) -> plana_(blue_archive)

In Blue Archive plot, the A.R.O.N.A. character was now a full pledged member under the player and given an actual name as Plana.

I do not know if I should do update or other things, but it is up to you guys.

This is a spoiler

blindVigil said:

This is a spoiler

Technically yes bit the game itself did trended massively during the plot release. Almost everyone knows this right now just like everyone knows toki (another blue archive character that is massively hot and blew up)

I personally feel that knowing that Plana exists at all is the bigger spoiler, and being exposed to the fact that she gets a different name (without any idea of the circumstances surrounding that name) is minor in comparison.

It does potentially imply that the brief scene that teases her disappearance isn't 'the end' for her, but she could get a new name and then disappear, for all anyone knows at that point.

In any case since the thread name is very non-descriptive right now we should avoid unmarked spoilers in here, and ideally dropkick-tm or someone else should edit the opening post to indicate there are spoilers being discussed.

dropkick-tm said:

Technically yes bit the game itself did trended massively during the plot release. Almost everyone knows this right now just like everyone knows toki (another blue archive character that is massively hot and blew up)

The difference is that there's no way to hide a character, unless we started tagging every character yet to appear in the Global version of the game spoilers, which would be pointless when they're getting hundreds of posts and everyone is talking about them, because for many players it's important to know about future playable characters.

On the other hand, A.r.o.n.a getting a new name and joining arona (blue archive) in the shittim chest is a plot spoiler, and specifically for the resolution of that part of the story. If you're a Global player who's not keeping up with the plot as it releases in JP, you have no idea of any of this, though you probably know her original name and what she looks like. You're not even allowed to talk about her in the official discord server, less so specific plot details related to her. I only even know about it because of people spoiling it here on Danbooru, because I actively avoid unreleased plot details.

Changing her name just encourages people to ask about and discuss it, and they're not going to bother adding spoiler tags. I can't support changing tags to be more spoilery than they may already be.

blindVigil said:

The difference is that there's no way to hide a character, unless we started tagging every character yet to appear in the Global version of the game spoilers, which would be pointless when they're getting hundreds of posts and everyone is talking about them, because for many players it's important to know about future playable characters.

On the other hand, A.r.o.n.a getting a new name and joining arona (blue archive) in the shittim chest is a plot spoiler, and specifically for the resolution of that part of the story. If you're a Global player who's not keeping up with the plot as it releases in JP, you have no idea of any of this, though you probably know her original name and what she looks like. You're not even allowed to talk about her in the official discord server, less so specific plot details related to her. I only even know about it because of people spoiling it here on Danbooru, because I actively avoid unreleased plot details.

Changing her name just encourages people to ask about and discuss it, and they're not going to bother adding spoiler tags. I can't support changing tags to be more spoilery than they may already be.

Global is already spoiled by every single thing that exist in JP anyway, so it is invitable unless they choose not to poke around in JP-dedicated discussions.

T34-38 said:

Global is already spoiled by every single thing that exist in JP anyway, so it is invitable unless they choose not to poke around in JP-dedicated discussions.

This is mainly my point. Even just going to the Blue Archive tag on both twitter and pixiv will get you spoiled either way. No need to poke around jp-discussions. It does not help that all jp players will have both Arona and Plana being cute in the game UI from now on.

EDIT. Just to reinforce the point. Everyone and their moms have shiroko alter fanarts by this point.

dropkick-tm said:

Technically yes bit the game itself did trended massively during the plot release. Almost everyone knows this right now just like everyone knows toki (another blue archive character that is massively hot and blew up)

T34-38 said:

Global is already spoiled by every single thing that exist in JP anyway, so it is invitable unless they choose not to poke around in JP-dedicated discussions.

I only learned about it through this thread, so it's not like it's a universal thing. Plenty of global players do their best to avoid story spoilers until story hits global servers and outside of the Fate community openly discussing every possible spoiler about new content the very minute stuff comes out on JP the same goes for other gachas too such as Arknights.
Sure, you can't avoid knowing about the existence of a future character when you're a global player (such as Shiroko Alter) but you can still manage to avoid story developments as best as you can, and many players try to.

In my opinion the fact that her name here being different compare to everywhere else embracing Plana as a tag would draw even more attention into this particular bit of spoiler

I don't play Blue Archive but I think reversing the BUR would be better. Otherwise, we gotta update the character names that are plot spoilers from other series for consistency, like the Fairy Knights from Fate, the first that come to mind when I think about this.

LupusTheWolf said:

In my opinion the fact that her name here being different compare to everywhere else embracing Plana as a tag would draw even more attention into this particular bit of spoiler

The simple fact that artists suddenly started to draw a lot of art of her and the fact she look like Arona is a way bigger "spoiler" (I hate that term, If a piece of media is ruined by the fact that you already know the existence of a twist this mean that it's a very bad one since over-reliance on twist is a symptom of bad writing) than a simple name change.
Calling her "Plana" does not worsen it and even worse calling her "A.R.O.N.A" draw more attention about that than calling her "Plana". (I've only read the prologue and if she was tagged as "Plana" I could have thought that she was just Arona's sister and not Arona from another timeline)

denliner27 said:

"spoiler" (I hate that term, If a piece of media is ruined by the fact that you already know the existence of a twist this mean that it's a very bad one since over-reliance on twist is a symptom of bad writing)

Spoilers aren't just about plot twists. Character deaths, story developments and so on, there are plenty of contexts in fiction where foreknowledge completely lessens or outright flattens the impact of an event/ending/etc, and that's not at all indicative of bad writing. Same thing for plot twists, if it is a central point of the plot then it's certainly not a sign of bad writing if prior knowledge of what the twist is ruins the impact of the reveal. The Prestige, The Sixth Sense, Arrival, Fight Club...
It's neat if it doesn't affect you, but spoilers wouldn't be seen as such a big deal if it didn't affect so many people's experiences.

Astolfo said:

Spoilers aren't just about plot twists. Character deaths, story developments and so on, there are plenty of contexts in fiction where foreknowledge completely lessens or outright flattens the impact of an event/ending/etc, and that's not at all indicative of bad writing. Same thing for plot twists, if it is a central point of the plot then it's certainly not a sign of bad writing if prior knowledge of what the twist is ruins the impact of the reveal. The Prestige, The Sixth Sense, Arrival, Fight Club...
It's neat if it doesn't affect you, but spoilers wouldn't be seen as such a big deal if it didn't affect so many people's experiences.

The journey is more important than the destination, if a plot can't be enjoyed if you already know a particular plot element this mean that it was badly written.
Multiple studies have shown that spoilers has no significant effect on overrall enjoyment, and some studies even said that spoiler make you enjoy the plot even more because it allow you to focus on other parts of the plot (structure,storytelling,style, symbolism, characters development,etc...). For example Clannad after story (I took that example because I got "spoiled" before watching it) is not about Nagisa's death, it is about a man who goes through the 5 stages of grief and seeks to rebuild his life and move on

Also, reducing a film or an anime to it's plot and more specifically to a plot twist is denigrating for the cinema/animation as an medium because it's just a fraction of what's possible in cinema compared to previous medium (literature,audio-drama,etc...)
Cinema/animation isn't a plot delivery service but more a audio-visual experience.
The final twist in the films you mentioned are meaningless (especially Fight Club). What makes Fight Club great is it storytelling, compositions,filmmaking,editing, and everything that lead to that twist, not it plot "twist"...and the only way to actually spoil that movie...is to actually watch it.
Same thing for "character death", if that scene is supposed to be a sad one and is wasted by a spoiler this mean that this was badly directed in the first place because the film's director was unable to deliver an emotion through this scene.

I digress ... and this is not the place to discuss this subject.

Individual said:

I don't play Blue Archive but I think reversing the BUR would be better. Otherwise, we gotta update the character names that are plot spoilers from other series for consistency, like the Fairy Knights from Fate, the first that come to mind when I think about this.

Not really, different series and fandoms give different weight to name reveals.
Even within Fate, throughout the years we had some tags changed to their true names (eg. topic #14806). Some like Archer are still hidden, for instance.

LupusTheWolf said:

In my opinion the fact that her name here being different compare to everywhere else embracing Plana as a tag would draw even more attention into this particular bit of spoiler

I think this is the greater argument. I don't play BA, but we should probably follow what the wiki and the general fandom calls her. (Again, like Fate,
if people inside the fandom don't care much about keeping the true name hidden beneath an alias, then neither should we.)

Username_Hidden said:
I think this is the greater argument. I don't play BA, but we should probably follow what the wiki and the general fandom calls her. (Again, like Fate,
if people inside the fandom don't care much about keeping the true name hidden beneath an alias, then neither should we.)

Just to add to this point, https://bluearchive.fandom.com/wiki/Plana has Plana as Plana, even pixiv have a #プラナ (Katakana for Plana) as a tag as well.

Username_Hidden said:

Not really, different series and fandoms give different weight to name reveals.
Even within Fate, throughout the years we had some tags changed to their true names (eg. topic #14806). Some like Archer are still hidden, for instance.

I think this is the greater argument. I don't play BA, but we should probably follow what the wiki and the general fandom calls her. (Again, like Fate,
if people inside the fandom don't care much about keeping the true name hidden beneath an alias, then neither should we.)

You linked a BUR about irrelevant servant classes, OG Archer's true name is hidden for two obvious reasons. I searched around about BA afterwards and changed my mind about this though, it doesn't seem to be a plot spoiler, it's not a tue name either, but a rename. The spoiler is the relation between the two characters, which the former name entices more than anything. I don't agree and don't like the idea of giving different treatments to different series.

Spoiler or not, it's her canon name now. (Also it's a lot easier to type "Plana"). We did not shy away from using the name <key>, either, so I don't think having a name be a spoiler is a strong argument.

The bulk update request #15656 (forum #235588) has been approved by @evazion.

I can't tell how much of a spoiler this really is, but if the rest of the world is going with it then there's no sense in us trying to hide it.

evazion said:

I can't tell how much of a spoiler this really is, but if the rest of the world is going with it then there's no sense in us trying to hide it.

Precisely. Cats out of the bag anyway, why bother hiding it?