nuke tiefling

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nuke tiefling

This tag was nuked manually. I'm retroactively opening this for voting, since apparently it was only discussed on discord.

I don't really care about the tag but this kind of actions should always go through the forums. Especially in this case given that a fairly popular game featuring them was released recently.

I don't think "just search for demon_girl" is a valid argument, there's plenty of non-tiefling demon girls/boys in DnD. There's also tieflings that look nothing like demon girls, like this one, or the one from the recent DnD movie.

A vast majority of the tag is based entirely on canon tagging. If the characters tagged with it were not also tagged dungeons & dragons or had the specific word in the artist commentary, it would never have been tagged.

Your example of a non-demonic tiefling is very much that point. She's almost identical to ceres_fauna or keyleth_(critical_role) for a D&D example. That it's also unuploaded and that Doric (the one from Honor Among Thieves) has no art on the site is another oddity. If that image or a piece of Doric fanart were uploaded by anyone not involved in this discussion, would they have tagged it tiefling? All of the possible edge cases only exist in theory and are only edge cases because we are specifically using them as "whatabout!". It's especially annoying that the person reverting the nuke is also removing demon boy/girl from some of the images.

Also recently manually nuked and relevant to D&D was both half-orc and half-elf. Keyleth is a half-elf. Should we undo that manual nuke as well? Because allowing tiefling is basically a carte blanche acceptance of canon tagging where the images are 1:1 another thing. I know there are atypical depictions of non-red Tieflings out there, but if we tagged every race mentioned in a commentary, we'd have to start tagging race a few steps closer to how e621 does. We wouldn't have nuked coyote ears and all the granular animal ear tags from Kemono Friends. I'd be removing Meidri from harpy en masse and creating a birdmaid tag for bird girls with back wings.

I think it's extremely telling that nobody has ever tried to make aasimar (the angelic version of Tiefling) despite us having images of them (both canon and clearly-so) on the site and mentioned in commentary. Same goes for the dozens of other D&D-named-but-generic races, like how we've never made a fuss over drow being aliased to dark elf or drider to arachne. The one Warforged image we have is probably actually a 40k image. The two tabaxi images we have aren't even Tabaxi. Lae'zel is getting tagged orc instead of githyanki.
Which is kinda against me because I'd actually support more succinct Warforged and Githyanki tags...

I see a fair few people downvoting, so I would really like to hear an actual reason for keeping a tag like this beyond "but that's what they are". Doubly so because several of the images being tagged tiefling aren't even tieflings.

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During the Discord discussion, NNT expressed annoyance at how demon girl and demon boy are uselessly broad due to how both Meruccubus and Hina are both singularly covered by them. I think that issue is not tangential to this issue but figuring that out may assuage the issue without needing to tag every Legally Distinct Catgirl. Because it's only canon that we even have images tagged tabaxi or khajiit, both of which I feel should be manually nuked (I removed one khajiit because it was an actual mistag, but given this topic I'm refraining from fully nuking).

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Edit:
After some looking, I've noticed that there's actually a surprising amount of images we have tagged Tiefling that make no mention of the character being a tiefling anywhere. There are also some that are wholly disconnected from D&D and some OCs are using tiefling as a generic term for demon girl.

I'm not strongly against this except in so much as I feel nukes should have strong reasons behind them and perhaps also that canonically tieflings can appear differently than what we'd normally tag as demon boy or demon girl, with antlers etc. As for generically using the term outside of D&D explicitly, that doesn't bother me too much if they are designed to appear as the D&D ones do (though the line between that and demon_* is admittedly awfully muddy as per Veraducks' point).

As for drow I would in favor of us reverting that alias, as the black_skin white_hair style that Drow typically encompass is basically impossible find in our current definition of dark elf.

Veraducks said:

I see a fair few people downvoting, so I would really like to hear an actual reason for keeping a tag like this beyond "but that's what they are". Doubly so because several of the images being tagged tiefling aren't even tieflings.

Since tieflings can be quite different from one another in terms of apperance like Shinjidude said, if there's no tiefling tag how can you search for just tiefling art, whether official characters or unnamed characters or OCs, without also getting demons, devils and so on?
How can someone have their search results regroup characters akin to Karlach, Doric, Vigil Nightwarden, and other misc characters, all of which are tieflings despite their much different appearances, without also ending up with unrelated demons or devils and so on? (That's without even getting into things like tieflings with antlers)

If there are pictures of known non-tieflings being tagged as tieflings then the tag should just be removed from those pictures.

Astolfo said:

Since tieflings can be quite different from one another in terms of apperance like Shinjidude said, if there's no tiefling tag how can you search for just tiefling art, whether official characters or unnamed characters or OCs, without also getting demons, devils and so on?
How can someone have their search results regroup characters akin to Karlach, Doric, Vigil Nightwarden, and other misc characters, all of which are tieflings despite their much different appearances, without also ending up with unrelated demons or devils and so on? (That's without even getting into things like tieflings with antlers)

If there are pictures of known non-tieflings being tagged as tieflings then the tag should just be removed from those pictures.

There are Drow that have non-black skin. Darksun Dwarves are completely hairless. Golarion Gnomes have chameleon-like skin.
We can't create fantasy race tags for every khajiit, tabaxi, syrinx, negoji, kenku, tengu, tortle, fetchling, aasimar, etc.

We don't have a birdmaid tag for Meidri despite her having nonwinged arms and the winged arms girl being canonically a harpy while she is not

People searching for a Tiefling character are look for demon person, not an elf with antlers. Karlach is a giant red flaming woman with horns. The fact that we're tagging Tielfing instead of demon girl on such images because of canon knowledge is insane.

Again, the fact that nobody made aasimar, githyanki, tortle, or populated warforged; that the ones that get populated are tiefling, sea elf, half-elf, etc...
It tells me that people tagging these care more about smashing tags based on commentary rather than actually tagging things based on apperance. Becasue, again, none of those non-demonic tieflings have ever been uploaded.

Hell, there are commentaries bring up tiefling that never got tagged tiefling and are clearly demonic characters. This again tells me that it's enitely canon tagging. If Karlach was a Genshin character instead of D&D one, she wouldn't be tagged Tiefling and nobody would bat an eye.

If you're to fight horn and tail for Tiefling, you should be willing to bring back half-elf, half-orc, coyote ears, and manakete.

Just say that we tag canon races and whatnot now.

Veraducks said:

There are Drow that have non-black skin. Darksun Dwarves are completely hairless. Golarion Gnomes have chameleon-like skin.
We can't create fantasy race tags for every khajiit, tabaxi, syrinx, negoji, kenku, tengu, tortle, fetchling, aasimar, etc.

People searching for a Tiefling character are look for demon person, not an elf with antlers. Karlach is a giant red flaming woman with horns. The fact that we're tagging Tielfing instead of demon girl on such images because of canon knowledge is insane.
Just say that we tag canon races and whatnot now.

I agree with a lot of your post, but I want to chime in that I do see the utility of having such a post when a fantasy race has very specific attributes. You mentioned Kahjiet and I'd argue post #1154794 is exactly what someone is looking for and would be worth filtering out of 100s of furry images, or the Au Ra who have a very distinct scale and horn combo and should be filtered out of dragon girls. A lot of fictional races in video games have preset features in character creators and it is possible to narrow them down.

My issue with race tags though is as you mentioned while a lot of races have official art and in-universe characters, there are images like this Tielfing post #3828593 or the OP example who bear no similarity to the race tagged. Why would I want a random person's OC that technically is a member of that race when it doesn't have the main features I'm searching for? To me it's like tagging vampire on all of Flandre's images.

I'm ok with series specific race-tags as long as that race can be narrowed down.

zetsubousensei said:

I agree with a lot of your post, but I want to chime in that I do see the utility of having such a post when a fantasy race has very specific attributes. You mentioned Kahjiet and I'd argue post #1154794 is exactly what someone is looking for and would be worth filtering out of 100s of furry images, or the Au Ra who have a very distinct scale and horn combo and should be filtered out of dragon girls. A lot of fictional races in video games have preset features in character creators and it is possible to narrow them down.

I'm not rallying against every single specific race tag there is. I'm saying that it's ridiculous to make a tag for every single one that is different in name only or otherwise non-distinct. Tagging Tiefling is indeed very much like Flandre and vampire.

For khajiit, note that there're also images like post #4853122 and post #5079203 in the tag. I dunno if people doing furry the_elder_scrolls are looking for that, especially considering that it's not 100s but 25.

It's not just furry races. Are we going to start tagging nord_(tes) and whatnot? They do indeed have specific preset features (they're nordic).

(Also for some reason argonian and daedra are chartags?)

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