seagull vs gull

BUR #20235 has been rejected.

create alias seagull -> gull
deprecate seagull
create implication gull -> bird

Occasionally animals on here, in this case birds, will be tagged with the precise species pictured rather than just the generic "bird" and the bird tag group contains various species only used a few times which allows both people interested and uninterested in specifics to be happy. If you just want to filter "bird" you can and if you want to tag more precisely you can as long as the bird tag is implied / you add it.

Now, they're actually called gulls not seagulls. So in the interest of pleasing both groups I suggest making the relatively minor edit of aliasing seagull to gull and deprecating seagull, as one of the people who gives a shit about gull vs seagull. The minority who care about gull vs seagull will be happy and the people who know fuckall about gulls won't be effected since they will just get redirected when browsing for or trying to add "seagull".

I already "mirrored" the wiki for seagull to gull, added gull species to the bird tag group and added implications for the 3 species of gull with wiki pages. I need to populate those tags first.

Seagull is the more commonly used term on the site and Wikipedia (and dictionaries) state seagull as meaning the same thing, so I am not sure this is necessary at all. Looking at the gull tag history, you're the only reason the gull tag has more than a single post suggesting this was a nonissue on the site.

GreyOmega4K said:

Seagull is the more commonly used term on the site and Wikipedia (and dictionaries) state seagull as meaning the same thing, so I am not sure this is necessary at all. Looking at the gull tag history, you're the only reason the gull tag has more than a single post suggesting this was a nonissue on the site.

Seconding this, in casual speech seagull is far more common even if avian enthusiasts disagree with people using the term blanketly. I vote reverse imply gull_(bird) to seagull and deprecate gull.

GreyOmega4K said:

Seagull is the more commonly used term on the site and Wikipedia (and dictionaries) state seagull as meaning the same thing, so I am not sure this is necessary at all. Looking at the gull tag history, you're the only reason the gull tag has more than a single post suggesting this was a nonissue on the site.

Minor correction, it's that "seagull" is more used in everyday speech.

Looking at the gull tag history, you're the only reason the gull tag has more than a single post suggesting this was a nonissue on the site.

Yeah. That's what I meant with there being a minority of people who want more detail. Just like how some of the non gull related tags in the bird tag groups have just been used by one person. My suggestion was a preemptive and I thought it wouldn't effect the people who don't care since they would just be redirected.

I have no opinion on this whatsoever, ala the raven/crow discourse (topic #19614), but I will point out that if you're aliasing seagull to gull, then there's no reason to deprecate it unless you also unalias it. Similarly, if I remember correctly, aliasing a tag results in the new tag carrying over everything the previous tag had - which in this case would include the existing implication seagull has for bird. So 2/3rds of the BUR is redundant.

War6t2 said:

Yeah. That's what I meant with there being a minority of people who want more detail. Just like how some of the non gull related tags in the bird tag groups have just been used by one person. My suggestion was a preemptive and I thought it wouldn't effect the people who don't care since they would just be redirected.

One is a statistical error, not a minority.

You creating that tag without discussion and demanding an alias like this is a half-step removed from tag poisoning.

The bulk update request #20235 (forum #255699) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.

BUR #21126 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create alias gull -> seagull

Same thing

The bulk update request #21126 (forum #259634) has been approved by @nonamethanks.