I realize this is a drastic change but I feel that the growing size of the queue called for drastic measures. I want to try this as an experiment for a few weeks to see if things get worse or better.
It's very likely that some contributors will not make good approvers. Users now have a flag, independent of level, that determines whether or not they can approve posts. This is a flag that moderators can toggle from the user's profile page.
There's also a new Recent Approvals link so users can help police the approval process. The identity of the approver is still hidden to most users (not sure if I'll make it public).
The whole unapproved-posts-get-deleted-in-three-days part hasn't changed.
If you think about it, it's really not that different from the old system. If a contributor ever saw an image that wasn't approved, he or she could just reupload it themselves without needing any approval.
This is drastic and it surprised me...a lot. Just a question I like to ask, Since we have the power to similar to that of Janitor/Mod would it be considered ethical if we delete/approve our own post?
This can only lead to more approvals. I can't see this not leading to a drop in approved post quality unless coupled with a better means of culling mediocre images.
I assume it is still the case that only janitors and above can re-approve flagged posts and undelete deleted posts? Edit: Seems contributors can do that too, now. That could turn out a bit unwieldy.
Mr_GT said: This is drastic and it surprised me...a lot. Just a question I like to ask, Since we have the power to similar to that of Janitor/Mod would it be considered ethical if we delete/approve our own post?
You're probably right, thought I was thinking more incline to deleting one's own post that were sent back to the mod queue then reapproving one's own post.
My reaction is going to be simple: why do you never consult bombs like that? We spend a week discussing the problem and how to approach it and calling for data, which goes more or less without an answer, and then you take the most drastic change possible that hasn't even been mentioned and implement it without second thoughts. Why? That basically makes all of our feedback pointless, and makes me afraid even to mention problems, because there's no telling what kind of metamorphosis I'll see the next day.
Is anyone else getting popups about Javascript when they go into the moderation queue page? I keep getting a stalled script when I open it anew or refresh it.
Lalaca said: Is anyone else getting popups about Javascript when they go into the moderation queue page? I keep getting a stalled script when I open it anew or refresh it.
We spend a week discussing it, I write a huge essay carefully explaining the importance of keeping the numbers low, people more or less agree, and then we see the number of people with approval powers increased tenfold overnight. How on earth does that make any sense?
Definitely not what I was expecting. My initial reaction is not at all positive.
albert said: It's very likely that some contributors will not make good approvers. Users now have a flag, independent of level, that determines whether or not they can approve posts. This is a flag that moderators can toggle from the user's profile page.
There's also a new Recent Approvals link so users can help police the approval process. The identity of the approver is still hidden to most users (not sure if I'll make it public).
This is going to be more work than the queue ever was.
My only hope is that at least in the short term people will be *very* careful about what they're approving because they don't want to make a bad first impression. I really do worry about what this will look like long term however.
I think this is a very bad idea, it's pretty much the opposite of what we had discussed in the other thread. Rather than removing and replacing Janitors with well trusted hand-picked members that meet a fairly rigorous set of criteria, we are opening moderation up to a huge group of people.
In addition to contributors that regularly post flag-worthy things, we also have people in that group that were nepotism-invited while Danbooru was still closed to the public, and auto-promoted to Contributor when the class was first made due to their post counts.
As it was with only ~30 moderators things of dubious borderline quality got through, I can't imagine what it will be with hundreds of fingers on the approve button.
Additionally, since jxh2154 raised the issues with the moderation queue a few days ago, and I've been more regularly clearing it, I haven't noticed any issues with length or good posts dropping off at all.
In short, I think this is a big step backwards, but I could be wrong I guess. We'll have to see.
Ralen said: If you think about it, it's really not that different from the old system. If a contributor ever saw an image that wasn't approved, he or she could just reupload it themselves without needing any approval.
I don't think contributors had the ability to delete, did they? Without that, they couldn't permanently delete a once-deleted post or upload over it. Due to that fact, this is a lot different than the old system.
