Login_to_view said:
I'm going to quickly browse touhou status:deleted -ai-generated.
post #9530917, post #9524678, post #9527908...
Are these artworks I would approve? No.
Do I think uploading these artworks is "misappropriating the gallery for unintended purposes"? Also no.
I think all of these artworks have a charm to them. I wouldn't upload them, I wouldn't approve them, however I think that they shouldn't be put in the same category as off-topic content.
They're not. Images like that aren't likely to be manually deleted. They would just take up one upload slot for three days before being deleted. A manual deletion, which is mainly for rule-breaking content, takes up five slots for the same amount of time. The current system is already more lenient on users that post slightly below par works than those posting things that are unquestionably bad.
Uploading them on status:deleted doesn't hurt anyone, and benefits people looking for, for example, any artwork featuring some obscure character they are in love with.
In short,
I understand wanting to populate underrepresented copyrights and characters on Danbooru. Unfortunately, some copyrights and characters just don't have a lot of good art out there. But that doesn't justify uploading them here. We're not the only imageboard out there. Surely there are other places you can preserve those works.
"But Danbooru is a high-quality artwork repository!"
I have personal experience in uploading sketches part of a larger comic and having them deleted, just browse user:Login_to_view status:deleted.
I don't regret uploading them, also because it doesn't really punish my upload limit being an approver and all.
However, I dislike that a new user is not only incentivized to avoid such uploads, but also get punished for doing so.
Like, imagine if The Making of The Perfect Martini was separated in 12 different artworks, and museums went "oh artworks 2 to 11 are blurry, so we are only going to store the initial one and the final one, and leave the remaining 10 rotting in the backyard".
I just don't understand. You (talking to noone in particular) are focused on making a "high quality gallery" out of Danbooru, and yet do not want people browsing the website to have the original experience the artists intended, only a "curated one" that sometimes cuts off context entirely. It would be like a website airing an anime, except it's only made up of clips stored in Sakugabooru. There is too much focus on the single artwork and not enough on the bigger picture, and the system is designed to punish new users that care about the latter.
No one's saying you can't upload the whole comic. If most of the comic is good but a very small amount of the posts has questionable quality, then no one's going to get upset at users that upload them. If the quality isn't good enough to justify giving it leeway for being part of a comic and it ends up deleted, it will still show up in the pool. Users that want to experience the whole comic won't miss anything.
I don't think there would be any danger at all in giving them the ability to upload such artworks and automatically mark them as deleted. Please tell me, what is the worst that could happen?
You're arguing that users should not have their upload limit affected by uploading posts as deleted from the start. As you know, after a post is approved or auto-deleted, the user regains the slot that was used up. If those posts were treated like normal uploads, then a user would basically be given unlimited upload slots because the slot the deleted post should be occupying would be freed immediately. Even if you argue that their max upload limit could still decrease, it wouldn't solve the problem because their max uploads can't go lower than 5. They will always have a slot they can use as many times as they want.
Not only would this make it easier for trolls to spam shitposts before getting caught and banned, but it would also allow users who don't care about our quality standards to spam poorly drawn content. There needs to be some check on bad actors and users with low standards.
There's nothing wrong with the current system. I understand the need to occasionally upload something you normally wouldn't in order to complete a comic. Before I was a Contributor, I uploaded post #6512601 for pool #20178 even knowing it was hard-translated and thus borderline content. I did try to find the original first, but the circumstances surrounding that comic as detailed in the comments prevented me from doing so. Yes, it got deleted and I probably lost an upload slot, but it barely affected my ability to upload or my deletion ratio. And it's still visible in the pool.
I should also note that there are 167 posts active in that pool. That deleted post is only about 0.6% of the entire pool. If the majority of the comic were low quality, I wouldn't have bothered uploading it even if there were a handful of good pages.
