Sorry, but I had cut it down... and the part that included music artist wasn't necessary.
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Sad to see somebody's hard work wiped out, but these things have been discussed earlier.
I maintain the article could be longer than it is now, but should then concentrate on describing the visual features of different piano types.
The Danbooru Wiki exists to help taggers. Out of the information not relevant to tagging, you may hand-pick the two or three most important sentences for a basic definition. The rest should be found through the Wikipedia link or other external links.
(And yes, there are still lots of Danbooru Wiki articles not following the set ideals. Too bad.)
I've been article chopped before... anyway this is what was there. If anything it was the first half that got what a piano was, the second half that contains types of pianos but only one is on danbooru and they are not described. I am not sure what the third has to do with the site, if I want to know artists who play the piano I can look that up myself.
hungkok2007 Article:
A musical, mechanical keyboard instrument whose sound is produced by felt hammers striking metallic strings. Said strings are stretched across a metal frame, and the sound is amplified through a large wooden soundboard. As such, it is sometimes considered a member of both the strings and percussion families.The modern acoustic piano features eighty-eight keys and is descended from the harpsichord and clavichord; it also arguably shares common roots with the pipe organ. Typically a piano is found in one of three types: upright (often exaggerated as "upright grand"), spinet (a compact upright or "apartment size") and grand (laid out horizontally, usually measuring between five and ten feet long). Beyond the expected challenges of size and weight, the piano also relies on gravity and fixed relation to the ground for proper operation, due to the mechanism of hammer return.
Beethoven, Mozart, Schubert, Chopin, Brahms, Liszt and Debussy are only a few examples of Classical-era composers who wrote very prolifically for piano. (The piano as such did not exist during Bach's time, but many of Bach's works are commonly performed on this instrument.) These works could include writings for piano solo, chamber ensemble with piano, or piano concerto in front of orchestra. Usage in modern pop music can be illustrated by artists such as the late Oscar Peterson, Billy Joel, Elton John, Larry Gowan, Tori Amos, Alicia Keys and Lady Gaga, among many others.
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Yep, I had checked that from the article history.
Out of all that, probably the upright--spinet--grand part, rewritten to stress the visual distinctions, would be the most relevant for Danbooru purposes.
hungkok2007 said:
[E]lectric_piano should IMPLY piano but not necessarily be ALIASED to piano.
The question is, how often do we have illustrations detailed enough so that one can tell an electric piano from an acoustic one for sure? If Danbooru has over 20 unquestionable electric pianos, then I might support a separate tag.
Well, +1 for the grand_piano -> piano implication.
hungkok2007 said:
electric_piano should IMPLY piano but not necessarily be ALIASED to piano
This might be logical, but I don't think electric_piano should be a separate tag.
Having more tags regarding keyboard instruments will just make things more confusing, especially considering the fact that it's not clear to everyone what the differences are between a synthesizer, stage piano, electric piano, etc.
A lot of modern instruments fall under more than one category anyway.
Edit: And what Katajanmarja said.
forum #39866 would probably be relevant here.
My original Wiki article didn't have to be so long, but it also didn't deserve to be cut down as much as it was. Especially since it was concluded by an entirely incomplete, incompetent and gross generalization. Please understand, this is not about me - it would be an insult to anyone who knew better and contributed to the Wiki.
I'm going through the piano tags one-by-one because the sloppiness is becoming more and more obvious and annoying. Already, the electric_piano at post #579936 is so obviously electric and not acoustic that it should slap even the most ignorant layman in the face. Even just one clear picture should be enough justification to remove this alias! And I will be adding upright_piano tags as appropriate (to the five already counted by the system), to prove that it's not just one out of three described piano types appearing on Danbooru.
Katajanmarja said:
The question is, how often do we have illustrations detailed enough so that one can tell an electric piano from an acoustic one for sure? If Danbooru has over 20 unquestionable electric pianos, then I might support a separate tag.
Since noone here seems inclined to do the work, I am dedicating as much of my summer (between work obligations) as possible to poring over the fourteen-or-more pages of piano tags and locating these "elusive" electric_pianos.
Under other circumstances, it would be useful to have some sort of chart which attempts to categorize the various types of keyboard instruments. Unfortunately, in order to really define those differences, one must at least touch on the internal differences in order to distinguish between the types of electrically powered thingamajigs. That's a no-no on Danbooru. So because it is difficult to separate the Clavia Nord synthesizers from the Yamaha PSR's, they should go under a catch-all term, to be specified.
Grrrr. post #558471 has a grand_piano, synthesizer, electric_organ AND electric_piano, but of course due to that stupid alias one cannot have separate tags for electric_piano.
I respectfully request that electric_piano be de-aliased (but implicated) so I can continue my proposed tracking work.
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hungkok2007 said:
Don't worry, visual descriptions will eventually appear. With a vengeance. Grrrr. Tell that to the one who cut out the visual descriptions.
I figured unless the instruments presented in your description can be linked to the right images, there isn't much use for them for now; everything can be easily restored. But if there are images with certain pianos, then simply transfer your descriptions to those types (if the de-alias is going to happen) and put a See Also to link to the others.
The size / weight / gravity part can't really be applied imo, since may artists take liberties in drawing pianos. Visual aid by text is good, but not when it drags on and isn't really important to the image. When I did wikis for Strike Witches and K-On (and others) they were chopped down and I was told to just link to the Wikipedia or make them shorter. So I was following by example.
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jxh2154 said:
It was specifically decided in the linked forum thread that they're not visually distinct enough to warrant a separate tag.
Funny, if any performer, teacher or student _I_ know requests a piano to play on for recital or examination purposes, and gets a frigging Fender Rhodes instead, this triggers a bona fide LOL and ROFL.
This travesty is exactly like aliasing bikini to swimsuit, or rifle to gun, instead of merely implicating. Does no-one see a double standard!?
hungkok2007 said:
Funny, if any performer, teacher or student _I_ know requests a piano to play on for recital or examination purposes, and gets a frigging Fender Rhodes instead, this triggers a bona fide LOL and ROFL.This travesty is exactly like aliasing bikini to swimsuit, or rifle to gun, instead of merely implicating. Does no-one see a double standard!?
I would liken it more to aliasing mp5 to rifle. That said, if you can link a few relevant images which show a substantial visual difference, I wouldn't be opposed to reversing the alias.
glasnost said:
I would liken it more to aliasing mp5 to rifle. That said, if you can link a few relevant images which show a substantial visual difference, I wouldn't be opposed to reversing the alias.
Myself, I was only trying to stay on the subtle side of comparison, but deep down as a pianist I do sort of feel like that incorrect mp5 to rifle association.
As I said earlier, I will try to build a list of clear illustrations over the summer when not at work (or trying to recover from it).