It seems to be similar to the case of deleting pixiv_manga_sample and sending all the old favorites and score to the new one. I've flagged some old versions of revised images and they ended up deleted, so it seems to be the same.
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It seems to be similar to the case of deleting pixiv_manga_sample and sending all the old favorites and score to the new one. I've flagged some old versions of revised images and they ended up deleted, so it seems to be the same.
Revised images fit under the policy for duplicates better than the policy for pixiv manga samples, and we don't delete duplicates just because they're duplicates.
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The pixiv_manga_sample policy felt a bit unintuitive to me at first considering our duplicate policy, but it was necessary to dissuade uploaders from uploading the manga samples. In this case it's no fault of the uploader that the artist decided to touch up an old image. We should either keep them as child posts or double-delete to transfer favorites, which may be a bit heavy handed.
On a notable tangent to the subject of revised images, we should probably have a more clear-cut policy for uploaders with regards to pixiv pictures with the extended urls. (source:*.pixiv.net/img/*?*) At least make it more clear not to crop out the stuff after the file extension if it's there. Or that's what I assume is generally the "correct" version of the picture. I don't even understand how the feature works really, considering half of them are uploaded originally with both the revised and unrevised versions.
Hinacle said:
I don't even understand how the feature works really, considering half of them are uploaded originally with both the revised and unrevised versions.
It's a feature that allows Pixiv users to update the image without having to re-upload it. If it's got the ?138734524 or whatever in the image address, it means that the old image was replaced with the one that is there currently.
Evangeline_A.K._McDowell said:
It's a feature that allows Pixiv users to update the image without having to re-upload it. If it's got the ?138734524 or whatever in the image address, it means that the old image was replaced with the one that is there currently.
Well that part was obvious enough, I was just more confused about the cases when artists upload a post along with a slightly color shifted or a slightly earlier WIP looking version at the exact same time, which generally doesn't make sense as an alternate version or anything. Noticeably often we get revision duplicates like that are uploaded within a few minutes of eachother.
Log said:
If a user flags a revised image and they were the one to upload it I would let it slide, otherwise I would reapprove it (because they're screwing with someone else's upload limit for something out of their control.)
I've seen several direct deletions like this lately.
Hinacle said:
Well that part was obvious enough, I was just more confused about the cases when artists upload a post along with a slightly color shifted or a slightly earlier WIP looking version at the exact same time, which generally doesn't make sense as an alternate version or anything.
It does, exactly for WIP reasons. I for one value sketches and WIP versions greatly, often more than the finished work.
For images that have undergone minor revisions or corrections, the only reason I'd say to keep them is to avoid penalizing users for something they have no control over. Works in progress though, especially the pencil sketches many highly processed images are based on, have merit in and of themselves and have never been on the deletion block as far as I am concerned.
Evangeline_A.K._McDowell said:
So general consensus seems to be do not delete revised, corrected, or WIP images? I'd prefer jxh to put a final seal of approval on that, if it's the case.
We generally don't delete otherwise good posts that have a better parent. It's the established policy for duplicates, so it's even more the case for revised posts.
I think the same as Shinjidude, only avoid deleting revised images when it affects the uploader. With those who I know it doesn't matter for them, sometimes I will contact them first to see if they're okay with deletion. I personally think if the artist wants to fix a mistake in their art, the picture that are floating on the internet should be the correct version. However there are stuffs I wouldn't delete:
- Works in progress, such as sketches.
- Total change in coloring/shading, since some people will like one or the other.
I'd delete when: artist forgot to add in some lines, forgot to color a small part, altered size of body parts, mistakes in perspective, minor changes in coloring/shading. In sum, things that I realize as unintentional mistakes from the artist and they want them fixed.
The policy has pretty much always been been "Don't delete older duplicates when better replacements are posted afterward."
On the other hand we've also pretty much always had a policy of ignoring or flagging worse or same quality duplicates of existing posts. This is the reason it's important to check your uploads with Piespy's visual similarity search before you upload, and I do the same with any pic I consider approving.
rantuyetmai said:
I personally think if the artist wants to fix a mistake in their art, the picture that are floating on the internet should be the correct version.
I prefer to keep the unrevised versions precisely because artists tend to remove them from the internet. If it weren't for us archiving them they'd be gone forever.
The mistakes the artist made are interesting in and of themselves. Think of them like outtakes for a movie.
evazion said:
I prefer to keep the unrevised versions precisely because artists tend to remove them from the internet. If it weren't for us archiving them they'd be gone forever.The mistakes the artist made are interesting in and of themselves. Think of them like outtakes for a movie.
Users can already visit the deleted images by clicking "Size" if they are interested in it, that's why I don't suggest double delete them (archival purpose is important). But the gallery should be clean, honestly it looks like a mess for some undecisive artists who reupload their arts frequently.
Hillside_Moose said:
I know. However, rantuyetmai's reasons for deleting duplicates are for images prior to revision, not after.
Ah yes, I thought we're only talking about images from official sources in this thread. Those that are without sources are 95% saved versions and had been altered so that they are not exact duplicate, everyone already know just letting them die in the queue.
But! We also ignore the children posts and approve only the parent (final version) when these pictures are uploaded by a member/priveleged within a short amount of time, which is passively delete the incorrect image, no?
As I said, this is not something hard set. If an image is already approved and turned out to be not perfect, I'll only delete if the uploader is okay with that. If they said no, fine.