Child is for rating:g post only.
Posted under General
lIlIllIIIllIIIIIlIlIllIl said:
Yes, that is why I said that I would also change the rating to general.
Read howto:rate.
Those are never g.
lIlIllIIIllIIIIIlIlIllIl said:
I'd bet the average outsider would just react to this image by saying that it's adorable. For the same reason, I would change the rating from sensitive to general.
The first reply on twitter is a licking emoji with "would". The second is an uoohh-type response. About half of them are like that. One is saying her underwear is sexy.
Unbreakable said:
Neither of those are anywhere close to being rating:g
Provence said:
Read howto:rate.
I am aware of the rules and have read them. My viewpoint for these specific cases is still what I already described.
Veraducks said:
The first reply on twitter is a licking emoji with "would". The second is an uoohh-type response. About half of them are like that. One is saying her underwear is sexy.
People following that account or replying like that is definitely not what I meant with "average outsiders". I meant someone like, my mom. Or yours. Probably.
lIlIllIIIllIIIIIlIlIllIl said:
To give more specific arguments against tagging them as child, consider that an adult wearing the same attire and showing the same amount of skin would almost certainly be rated S even with the more "innocent" elements of post #7152280. The second-to-last line in howto:rate, while it could be worded a bit better (mentioning loli/shota seems too specific to me), basically means that younger-looking characters are rated more strictly than teenagers/adults. As for post #7152569, no zooming out would hide how much that camisole is rolled up. I'd even argue it's borderline Q.
Also, while I think the loli tag is appropriate for both posts, remember that just because a post isn't suggestive enough for loli/shota doesn't mean it is safe enough to tag with child. In those cases, you would not add either of them. The only tag to use would be aged down if it applies.
lIlIllIIIllIIIIIlIlIllIl said:
People following that account or replying like that is definitely not what I meant with "average outsiders". I meant someone like, my mom. Or yours. Probably.
Average outsiders have tweeted things like this without realizing that it's suggestive, so I wouldn't use this as a litmus test.
post #2327355 has been re-tagged loli yet again, but the wiki still lists it as an archetypal example of "not loli".
Edit: post #924589 too
Updated
post #7134548
The proportions don't really seem loli to me.
viliml said:
post #2327355 has been re-tagged loli yet again, but the wiki still lists it as an archetypal example of "not loli".
Edit: post #924589 too
The main problem I see is that the adolescent posts in the wiki are mostly borderline. This could be useful if the differences were clearly stated, but it seems like it would just cause confusion as it is now. It also doesn't help that out of the three posts listed under the child bullet, the only one that could be eligible for child by our current standards is post #401775, and that's only if you ignore the fact her hands are on her mother's breasts. I think the wiki examples are due for an overhaul.
Blank_User said:
post #7134548
The proportions don't really seem loli to me.
I might be willing to agree for Arona, and I'm on the fence about that, but Plana looks less developed from this perspective, so I'm for the tag staying.
blindVigil said:
I might be willing to agree for Arona, and I'm on the fence about that, but Plana looks less developed from this perspective, so I'm for the tag staying.
They look about the same to me. Plana's breasts do look a bit smaller, but that could be because she's covering them. However, they're both six heads tall and have noticeable curves, especially the hips.
Blank_User said:
They look about the same to me. Plana's breasts do look a bit smaller, but that could be because she's covering them. However, they're both six heads tall and have noticeable curves, especially the hips.
I don't see noticeable curves, what I see is the curvature of their butts, not their hips. More than that, though, I don't think trying to math it out and adhere to some "so many heads tall" metric is really the best approach. Like someone else said, it's largely about the "vibe" and I don't think payment processors are going to look at these images and specifically measure out the character's proportions by their head size and say, "this little girl looking character is actually six heads tall, so it must be an adult" they're gonna say "that character looks like a little girl."
blindVigil said:
I don't see noticeable curves, what I see is the curvature of their butts, not their hips. More than that, though, I don't think trying to math it out and adhere to some "so many heads tall" metric is really the best approach. Like someone else said, it's largely about the "vibe" and I don't think payment processors are going to look at these images and specifically measure out the character's proportions by their head size and say, "this little girl looking character is actually six heads tall, so it must be an adult" they're gonna say "that character looks like a little girl."
The "six heads tall" part was meant as supporting evidence to justify the impression I already had, not a strict pass/fail criterion. Same with the curves and the breasts. I'll concede that Plana, and maybe Arona, are borderline despite the small amount of physical development. However, I also think it looks about the same as a few of the adolescent posts in the loli wiki, and that if post #7134548 can qualify for loli, then those adolescent posts in the wiki should also qualify. I see that the loli tag was recently removed from post #2327355, even though it has the same feel as other posts tagged loli. If it was removed because it's listed as adolescent in the wiki, does that mean the examples are still valid? What about post #1196717 or post #1968484? Wouldn't they also count as loli? How are they different?
post #6774962
Just saw this tagged, I don't think Zanmu looks loli here, more like perspective. Would like a thought.
Crosssu said:
post #6774962
Just saw this tagged, I don't think Zanmu looks loli here, more like perspective. Would like a thought.
I agree
hdk5 said:
I think yes on the first, possibly but leaning towards no on the second. Mainly because in the second post, Tiki's physique isn't quite as noticeable and she's a bit closer to Marth's size.