A tag for "well-tagged posts"

I believe it would be a good idea to have a tag to list all the well-tagged posts.

That is, posts that we have taken the trouble to hunt down everything to tag as being in the picture. In other words, you could not easily add another existing tag to any of these posts, if you tried. (Maybe you could, but not very easily. All the possibilities of eyes - e.g., tsurime, etc. -, clothes, and so on should already have been explored enough.)

I believe post #113189 and post #1099536, with the current tags they have, would qualify. The former is a simple concept: a drawing of an empty library, so it is relatively easy to be satisfactorily tagged, once we know what are the necessary tags: no_humans, still_life, and so own. (it has also some tables and no_lineart, for example) The latter is well-tagged, too, despite having a lot of details concerning Izayoi Sakuya's posture, clothes, weapons, appearance and art.

To play it safe, the presence or absence of select controversial tags like truth and what, and whatever random underused recently-created tags we might have, would NOT count to qualify a post as being "well-tagged". I believe brown (and other color tags), epic and creepy (and other "feeling" tags) would be "less subjective" examples, but I would want to avoid problems with them, should they arise, so I guess it would be best simply not counting them for that purpose as well. (If there are other criteria for what counts as a well-tagged post, I'd like to hear them.)

At the moment, we have the pool #876 ("Tag PANIC!"), with a related purpose. Apparently, it is supposed to have all the posts with 75 tags or more. The description implies that the posts were throughly tagged (They use the words "hunting down everything to tag as being in the picture.", which I paraphrased above for my own purposes.), but that is not always the case, as some posts can be better tagged even after reaching the limit of 75 tags. Conversely, I would want to add the "well-tagged" tag to all the posts that qualify, including the ones so simple as to inevitably have less than 75 tags, like the library post I linked above.

For the moment, I populated the tag finished with approximately 125 posts I've found to be well-tagged, with those criteria in mind. A search for izayoi_sakuya finished is supposed to show all the "finished" posts of Izayoi Sakuya.

These posts would serve as examples for tagging other posts. If we are curious as to what are the right tags for Izayoi Sakuya clothes and hairstyle, we can see the list of izayoi_sakuya finished posts, to find maid_headdress, braid, and so on, then procceed to add these tags to other images of her, when they apply.

I've chosen "finished" as the tag name, based on translated and annotated, two other tags that qualify work done by Danbooru users on the post. In all cases, the practical details (exactly HOW can we make a post "finished" or "well-tagged" or "annotated" or "translated") are inevitably left to be explained on their respective wikis. Despite that, I naturally appreciate the fact that finished is meaningful on its own (as in "finished work"), like "annotated" and "translated".

A minor use of the tag finished: Obviously, searching for gentags:<20 yields a list of all the posts with less than 20 general tags - undoubtedly, most of which are simply poorly tagged posts in need of work. Differently, searching for finished gentags:<20 would not yield any undertagged post, by definition, so we only see actual examples of works so simple we actually could not find enough tags for them.

The tag finished could potentially be added to all the posts (much like translated is virtually everywhere), but I certainly don't see it as a bad thing: the more posts qualify for finished, the better. If all posts had that tag, it would mean that Danbooru is 100% well-tagged. (even if that's a form of unattainable perfection)

Sadly, the way I planned it, the tag finished is a bit subjective for not counting controversial tags like truth and recently created random ones. If it is unclear which posts deserve to be tagged finished, then it might be misused on posts that are too under-tagged, for some reason. Like all other tags, it may require some cleanup work every once in a while, in which case I would be glad to help.

Thankfully, one can search for finished order:change_desc to see the "finished" posts by the order in which their tags were last changed. Since, logically, finished posts aren't normally expected to ever change tags at all, (except when changing, say, translation_request for translated) the last change would be the addition of the "finished" tag; so, basically, we would see the posts by the order in which they gained the "finished" tag, which would help a lot to do any cleanup work and/or see how the tag is growing in use. Most other tag changes would be "anomalies" - for example, if someone added a tsurime tag that was forgotten even after the finished was added.

I apologize for taking so long to explain the idea.

If there are any problems I didn't foresee, alternative ideas, etc. (maybe a different name instead of finished?), please let me know. Thanks in advance.

*skips some* How about, instead, tagged (compared with tagme)?

imho, this could possibly work in an ideal world or with stricter quality-control mechanisms and law-abiding netizens. but as far as present tagging is concerned, a "well-tagged" tag doesn't speak anything about the post but relative to the quantity of tags in the tag list.

the simple absence of tagme, with at least a copytag and an arttag (and chartag if applicable), properly sourced, and no *_request tags should be enough to be called "well-tagged".

gentags are just optional. they're recommended but not mandatory. but as long as the basic requirements are met, there should be no problem at all.

there is also no reason to tag every single trivial/minute detail as this could only result to unnecessary noise.

no tag is absolute nor permanent. tags change in time. they're dynamic. new names/aliases are born every now and then.

when you added finished you assumed that nobody else will add anything to make finished order:change_desc work. but this will fail in many occasions. one is when jxh2154 commits a batch of aliases and implications. another is when a user (en masse) randomly clicked 'save changes' in the edit box without adding anything (i can name at least two). another is when a new tag/idea pops up that doesn't exist before "finished" was added. and so on. we might just as well locked the edit box in this case.

and the way i see it the finished tag is very subjective. it's almost like moderating a pool: which posts to take, which posts don't qualify. well, that's just my 2 cents.

I honestly don't see a point to it when there's no limit to what could be tagged. Like trigger said, there's always an influx of new tags, alias, etc etc. that the idea of a tag is a mere pipe dream.

So point to such a tag. We already have meta-tags to search for how many posts a tag has (gentags:3, chartags:2, etc) and images will never be "complete" firstly, because that's a subjective judgement and secondly, in the future new tags could come into use that apply to the image, making it "incompletely tagged" again.

These posts would serve as examples for tagging other posts. If we are curious as to what are the right tags for Izayoi Sakuya clothes and hairstyle, we can see the list of izayoi_sakuya finished posts, to find maid_headdress, braid, and so on, then procceed to add these tags to other images of her, when they apply.

That does sound pretty useful, I've often found myself staring at a pic trying to figure out what can be tagged in it.

If we're talking about guides on how to tag characters, then that's what the wiki is for; either as I suggested before, listing common tags on the wiki page, or linking to examples of well tagged images.

I agree with everything ghostrigger said, EXCEPT for general tags being optional.

Alignn said:
That does sound pretty useful, I've often found myself staring at a pic trying to figure out what can be tagged in it.

Those tags should be in the character's wiki, not in another post you need to hunt down.

I would expect a tag called "finished" to be what comes after work_in_progress.

I seriously thought this thread was going to be a joke on how users of this site sometimes tend to obsess on tags. And of course he went ahead and started tagging this even before anyone could weigh in on whether the tag would be useful or not.
Anyway I don't think it really would be useful; I echo Serlo's opinion.

WTF

Do you WANT another -1?

Definitely not a useful because it's too subjective. Different people would consider different levels of tagging to be finished. We have pools more objective than this.

ghostrigger said:

and the way i see it the finished tag is very subjective. it's almost like moderating a pool: which posts to take, which posts don't qualify. well, that's just my 2 cents.

considering post #1156799 should have an eyepatch tag, I agree it is very subjective.

Alignn said:
That does sound pretty useful, I've often found myself staring at a pic trying to figure out what can be tagged in it.

I would rather see fixed character templates where you could just click the name and then remove/edit the tags as necessary.

Basically an improvement on the related tags.

I don't see this as a useful tag. As pointed before, as long as tags continue to be added, no post is ever really "finished".

jjj14 said:
And of course he went ahead and started tagging this even before anyone could weigh in on whether the tag would be useful or not.

Danielx21, wouldn't it have made more sense to wait for the rest of the forum's opinion on this before tagging anything?

Dumb idea, adds nothing, isn't an objective thing even if it did add something. Would be a pool at best but you may as well add everything in tag overload to that pool.

Apollyon said:
Danielx21, wouldn't it have made more sense to wait for the rest of the forum's opinion on this before tagging anything?

Since it didn't make any sense to him the last 500 times people told him that, it won't make any sense now.

Scrubbed finished.

Way too subjective of an idea.

Danielx21 said:
That is, posts that we have taken the trouble to hunt down everything to tag as being in the picture. In other words, you could not easily add another existing tag to any of these posts, if you tried.
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I believe post #113189 and post #1099536, with the current tags they have, would qualify.

While I can see the latter as hard to think of additional tags for, it took me less than 15 seconds to notice untagged objects in the former image. It lacks tags for the air conditioner, clock / wall clock and for the sign on the wall.

I could have fixed that, but I didn't for two reasons:

1) To illustrate that this tag would be added by people when they personally have run out of ideas and not when there actually aren't any more.

2) Because that is what may well happen when such an image is tagged finished as a user may easily be intimidated into thinking that this tag means, "It's done. The big boys have spoken. Don't mess with the tags any further unless you really know what you're doing."

lol post #1099536 has the tag cross-laced_footwear when you can barely see her shoes at all.