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Pools that should be tags

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Schrobby said:

pool #1431 - Touhou - Kirisame Marisa - ZE!!!

Should be a tag just like other similar catchphrases, see koa or uuh.

I disagree.

The point of the pool is to note where "(da) ze" is emphasized above and beyond simply being an emphatic suffix to her sentences, sometimes as a graphic element, sometimes isolated for comedic purposes, sometimes romanized, etc.

A day previous to your purging the pool, I'd eliminated one post from it, because in that post, she just uses the phrase as the usual emphatic—i.e., omitting it from the translation wouldn't change the meaning at all. That post could easily have a "ze" tag, because she does say the phrase, but the usage isn't special in any way.

I suspect that making "ze"/"da ze" a tag will open opportunity for a flood of posts getting said tag, since this removes the explicit requirement in the pool description that the phrase be specifically separate or somehow highlighted. All the posts that normally would not have qualified for the pool would qualify for the tag.

If the specialized emphasis is no longer considered sufficient reason for a pool, I'm not sure why it should even deserve a tag. We don't have a pool or tag for Cirno's use of "atai", for instance. It's just part of her speech.

Marisa's "(da) ze" appears to have achieved a status of more explicit prominence in the qualifying posts of pool #1431 than have the other characters' catch phrases, primarily because it isn't a made-up verbal tic like "koa", "mukyuu" or "unyuu", and it isn't a cry normally used in isolation, like "uuu". The closest similar example I can think of would be Rumia's "(so) nano ka", but "(da) ze" appears to have even more emphasis for humor/visual value than even that phrase, at least in the appropriately qualifying posts.

Obviously, the ze (phrase) tag shouldn't be used for any time to particle ze appears in an image. That would flood the tag with thousands of posts with characters who just happen to use it without giving it any emphasis (many of which would not be Marisa).

I've clarified the wiki on this.

Toks said:

Obviously, the ze (phrase) tag shouldn't be used for any time to particle ze appears in an image. That would flood the tag with thousands of posts with characters who just happen to use it without giving it any emphasis (many of which would not be Marisa).

I've clarified the wiki on this.

~Are~ there thousands of posts of characters who aren't Marisa saying "Ze"? I didn't think it was something other characters really said, though perhaps some cosplaying as her.

Toks said:

Maybe sexually_suggestive_fluid or suggestive_fluid, since the pool is basically for fluids being used in ways suggestive of cum?

Either way, I think "white" should be left out as it is not white 100% of the time, as the pool description mentions.

If we use ambiguous_fluid or suggestive_fluid the it would be more generalized to include things that look like assorted other liquids. An example would be disguising urine as apple juice, which is a common prank. We can combine these tags with sexually_suggestive in order essentially to recreate the pool.

It's been way more than a year with nothing happening, so I bring this up again. I suggest we change the following pools to tags:

Schrobby said:

pool #2142 - Exquisite Weaponry -> elaborate_weapon

Also pool #2318 - Touhou - Utsuho's Fancy Cannon -> elaborate_weapon
Together with alternate_weapon that should work just fine.

pool #4983 - Exquisite Clothes -> elaborate_clothes

pool #5172 - Exquisite Underwear -> elaborate_underwear

pool #1628 - Touhou - Fancy Winged Flandre -> elaborate_wings
Also pool #3165 - Touhou - Fancy Winged Nue -> elaborate_wings
Together with alternate_wings that should work just fine.

Detailed_XXX instead of elaborate_XXX would also work for those new tags. I think elaborate fits better, but that's just a suggestion.

Schrobby said:

It's been way more than a year with nothing happening, so I bring this up again. I suggest we change the following pools to tags:

The fancy wings really need to go on their own, but there's also an argument that not all of those posts in there are necessarily "elaborate" versions of the wings but just "different" versions of the wings. It would be a bit shortsighted to throw all of them into one lump.

post #565847 is just one example that I would call more different than elaborate, of many others.

When it comes to "Exquisite" versus "Elaborate," though, an argument could be made that the pools are, in fact, necessary. The former implies a greater focus on objective, quantifiable detail whereas the latter implies a greater focus on subjective, artistic detail, and my understanding has always been that pools not related to collections of clearly related images such as doujin, comics, and pixiv series are more grounded in subjective matters that tags can't quite cover as accurately.

Ultimately, it's a judgment call, and I think it has more to do with whether it's better to include or exclude the artistic element when tagging/pooling images than anything else.

DerBrassist said:

The fancy wings really need to go on their own, but there's also an argument that not all of those posts in there are necessarily "elaborate" versions of the wings but just "different" versions of the wings. It would be a bit shortsighted to throw all of them into one lump.

post #565847 is just one example that I would call more different than elaborate, of many others.

True, and for those we already have tags, alternate_wings, alternate_weapon etc.

DerBrassist said:

When it comes to "Exquisite" versus "Elaborate," though, an argument could be made that the pools are, in fact, necessary. The former implies a greater focus on objective, quantifiable detail whereas the latter implies a greater focus on subjective, artistic detail, and my understanding has always been that pools not related to collections of clearly related images such as doujin, comics, and pixiv series are more grounded in subjective matters that tags can't quite cover as accurately.

Ultimately, it's a judgment call, and I think it has more to do with whether it's better to include or exclude the artistic element when tagging/pooling images than anything else.

I thought "elaborate" comprises richness in detail in whatever regard. Anyway, "elaborate" is just a suggestion, better alternatives are welcome.

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