Two_side_up vs short_twintails?

Please help me wrap my head around this.

According to the wiki entry for two_side_up: "A hairstyle similar to but distinct from twintails where only a small portion of the hair is tied up into two tails, while the rest of the hair falls normally. Resembles short twintails, but in combination with longer hair."

Okay.

And according to the wiki entry for short_twintails: "Two locks of hair held together with hair ties in the back or side of the head. Usually worn by young girls, or by girls with short hair."

Again, seems good. Short_twintails are therefore differentiated from two_side_up in the same way as twintails -- the two locks comprise the bulk of the hair. They're simply twintails, but shorter.

But then the wiki entry for short_twintails continues: "Characters with long hair can also wear short twintails. Example post #345073."

Now I'm lost. Doesn't this contradict the above bolded bit from the two_side_up wiki entry?

The example post for "short twintails in combination with long hair" (post #345073) seems to be precisely what is described as two_side_up.

Is there actually a difference between "short twintails with long hair" and two_side_up? Or is it simply that the "short twintails with long hair" clause of the short_twintails wiki entry is outdated with the addition of the two_side_up tag, and should be removed?

I don't see why we would want to limit short_twintails to only characters with short hair, as two_side_up's wiki seems to suggest. If we did, then isn't short_twintails just a short_hair twintails search? Besides, that two_side_up wiki change was only made recently and doesn't seem to have been discussed.

I think it makes more sense for short_twintails to be used regardless of the character's overall hair length - the only thing that matters is the length of the twintails (this is how the tag is already used, how its name "short twintails" makes it sound like it should be used, and how its wiki says it should be used).

Though we should implicate two_side_up to short_twintails and long_hair in that case, since it seems to be a subset. We'd also want to reword the two_side_up wiki.

Invisiblemoose said:

But then the wiki entry for short_twintails continues: "Characters with long hair can also wear short twintails. Example post #345073."

Now I'm lost. Doesn't this contradict the above bolded bit from the two_side_up wiki entry?

The example post for "short twintails in combination with long hair" (post #345073) seems to be precisely what is described as two_side_up.

Exactly. That's why I just tagged it accordingly.

I suggest editing the wiki for short_twintails. Twintails only apply when the bulk of the hair is used, everything else is two_side_up. Following this definition long_hair combined with short_twintails is simply not possible, so that part should be deleted from the wiki.

Toks said:

I don't see why we would want to limit short_twintails to only characters with short hair, as two_side_up's wiki seems to suggest. If we did, then isn't short_twintails just a short_hair twintails search?

True. That said we only need the tag for pictures with multiple characters sporting various hair lengths.

Besides, that two_side_up wiki change was only made recently and doesn't seem to have been discussed.

I'd remove the "Resembles short twintails, but in combination with longer hair." part. Shorter hair and two_side_up is just as valid. I think the one and only difference between it and twintails is how much hair is used.

Schrobby said:

Twintails only apply when the bulk of the hair is used

Where are you getting this from? It's not mentioned on the twintails wiki, nor does it seem to be mentioned on Pixpedia's twintails entry.

Schrobby said:

I'd remove the "Resembles short twintails, but in combination with longer hair." part. Shorter hair and two_side_up is just as valid.

Yes, that's the undiscussed change I was talking about. Removed it.

Toks said:

Schrobby said:

Twintails only apply when the bulk of the hair is used

Where are you getting this from? It's not mentioned on the twintails wiki, nor does it seem to be mentioned on Pixpedia's twintails entry.

From the two_side_up wiki:

A hairstyle similar to but distinct from twintails where only a small portion of the hair is tied up into two tails, while the rest of the hair falls normally.

Since that "small portion" part is the one and only distinction between two_side_up and twintails we can either keep it that way or get rid of two_side_up completely. I think the look is distinctive enough to keep it, that's why we should think about adding above quote to the twintails wiki for a clear definition.