THE_GREAT_EQUINOX said: There wasn't anything funny about this story. This is most simply just. . . disturbing.
I consider it stupid. SP is a perfect example of shittily done "look at me i'm interpreting your touhous dumbly" grimdark in Touhou fandom. All that good art, wasted on completely moronic stories and hilarious character assassination (in a fandom already known for character assassination).
RaptorJesus said: SP is a perfect example of shittily done "look at me i'm interpreting your touhous dumbly" grimdark in Touhou fandom. All that good art, wasted on completely moronic stories and hilarious character assassination
NailStar said: Maybe Sanae is now realizing her bloodlust to 'do justice' had finally made her seem just as bad as all the Youkai. Nothing good came out of this war.
RaptorJesus said: I consider it stupid. SP is a perfect example of shittily done "look at me i'm interpreting your touhous dumbly" grimdark in Touhou fandom. All that good art, wasted on completely moronic stories and hilarious character assassination (in a fandom already known for character assassination). The comments on this help, though.
Dunno what the hell you're complaining about. This was an interesting read, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. But, I guess you're entitled to an opinion.
Worldend_Dominator said: Dunno what the hell you're complaining about. This was an interesting read, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. But, I guess you're entitled to an opinion.
Mostly that SP embodies everything wrong with attempts to make Touhou grim and dark.
Slightly off-topic, but mister down-voter, if you're going to be a little girl and down-vote comments, at least have the common courtesy to down-vote things with some semblance of logic. Seems you're just doing it to hide random comments.
Indeed. Downvoting dumb comments like "lol this funneh" is one thing. Downvoting someone else's arguements because you disagree with them is petty and childish. More than that though, if you do that you might as well be admitting that you cannot counter their arguements. Afterall, if you could counter your arguements why would you downvote them? In the end, the one who wins when someone downvotes like that is only your opponent.
RaptorJesus said: Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man...
I was actually thinking of using that quote, but I didn't because that would sound dumb and would make me sound dumb. I can't believe you really said it though. . . Wow. But yeah, you have your opinion and I have mine. But opinions aren't facts. People forget to remember that.
Worldend_Dominator said: But opinions aren't facts. People forget to remember that.
They can be based on facts, though. For example, the fact that SP is pure grimdark and shock value without any semblance of canon or actual story. I'm a fan of grimdark and depressing stuff myself, but the lack of other qualities makes SP's works really plain. It just screams "Look at me, I can draw characters doing shocking stuff you wouldn't expect them to do, am I deep yet?"
Heparine said: They can be based on facts, though. For example, the fact that SP is pure grimdark and shock value without any semblance of canon or actual story. I'm a fan of grimdark and depressing stuff myself, but the lack of other qualities makes SP's works really plain. It just screams "Look at me, I can draw characters doing shocking stuff you wouldn't expect them to do, am I deep yet?"
I really would've liked to end the discussion with my last comment but you persist on commenting. Like I said, what you believe is just your opinion. SP's goal is more of a "what if" interpretation than actual canon. I also can't see how this is screaming "look at me, I can draw characters doing stuff and blah" whatever you said. But, as I said, "just your opinion." Now let's talk stop talking about this, please. It's late and I'm tired.
Hey, the damn people just keep having opinions! Unheard of. Actually, I never forced you to talk about this and I honestly can't see why would you do that if it causes you so much distress. You're free to stop.
All I'm hearing is that "It's diffrent, so it should be hated, blah" Hell, I'm pretty sure one of the unwritten rule of touhou fandonm is, "All Fanon Portrayal is 8% to 12% accurate to canon".
Hell, I'm not a big fan of gore, and I think it's one of the best doujinshi. Even so, as far as I can tell, you can look at every touhou character with a light and dark nature, there's nothing wrong with a dark touhou doujin sometimes.
There's a difference between good dark works and "URF HURF SPRAY BLOOD EVERYWHERE AND DRAG CHARACTERS SO FAR OUT OF CHARACTER THAT EVEN PEOPLE WHO LIKE FANON FACEPALM AT CHARACTER ASSASSINATION". Hell, Asatsuki Dou does grimdark better, and I'm not exactly a fan of A-Dou.
(Also, what Heparine said.)
Also, Stripe Pattern is even worse at writing than ZUN, even if it's just idiotic monologue and not dialogue.
I like it. SP takes the abnormal and/or questionable personalty traits and/or beliefs of the characters and skews them into a whole new proportion. SP's works are just exaggerated musings with pretty (or pretty grisly) pictures. Take it or leave it, but don't get worked up about it. There's more than enough Touhou fanworks out there to completely ignore this one if you don't like it.
Well, it's not any of our source material, so I don't know what people are getting so angry about. I've seen a lot of doujin that have made less sense than this one. The seriousness is a refreshing change of pace IMO. I like the art too.
Why can't people try making some funny comments out of this pic instead of arguing between liking SP or not.....it was great at the first eight comments....
ms08tx said: I like it. SP takes the abnormal and/or questionable personalty traits and/or beliefs of the characters and skews them into a whole new proportion. SP's works are just exaggerated musings with pretty (or pretty grisly) pictures. Take it or leave it, but don't get worked up about it. There's more than enough Touhou fanworks out there to completely ignore this one if you don't like it.
Y'know, in any other fandom, they'd be calling for his head on a plate for taking OOC to a whole new level.
Also, citing "evidence" that Byakuren is a psychotic mass murderer is pretty funny, in a stupid, sad way.
I thought it was alright. A bit of wasted potential, but alright. Mostly, though, I think this works precisely because it's so far out of canon that you don't risk ruining the game forever for some poor schmuck. See, if they did something like this for e.g. Valkyria Chronicles it probably would ruin the game for the reader, given that in that one people actually, y'know, die.
RaptorJesus said: There's a difference between good dark works and "URF HURF SPRAY BLOOD EVERYWHERE AND DRAG CHARACTERS SO FAR OUT OF CHARACTER THAT EVEN PEOPLE WHO LIKE FANON FACEPALM AT CHARACTER ASSASSINATION".
Nah, tasteless would be if they depicted the grisly death of every single disposable fairy and baww'd over it.
I usually don't care about whether a doujinshi keeps to canon or not. Love and Piece for example was one of the first Touhou doujinshi I read (meaning, obviously, I knew very little about canon Touhou and its characters) and even back then I considered it quite bad. Nothing to do with Touhou canon. Hell, I'm trying to become a Touhou doujin artist and I do lots of character reinterpretation myself.
Ever see immature schoolers fantasizing about violence and sex, liking darkness-themed stuff and cold characters, posting overly poetic passages on their web areas, claiming to feel no good emotions and snorting at goodwill, etc etc and believing themselves special and cool by doing those stuff? I've seen enough to tire myself and that's exactly what I feel about Shimadrill's doujinshi.
Lick_King said: Ever see immature schoolers fantasizing about violence and sex, liking darkness-themed stuff and cold characters, posting overly poetic passages on their web areas, claiming to feel no good emotions and snorting at goodwill, etc etc and believing themselves special and cool by doing those stuff? I've seen enough to tire myself and that's exactly what I feel about Shimadrill's doujinshi.
Add "I'm going to be cool and edgy by claiming a good character is really a psycho, just to be iconoclastic and special and get attention because nobody can possibly be that good ever!!!" to that list. The previous doujin before this, which was basically "if you write gag Suwako and Kanako, YOU ARE TERRIBLE AND SANAE HATES YOU" proves he's yet another one of those fanfiction writers who thinks he's intelligent and doing something different, when it's bog-standard grimderpery.
Even Byakuren's depiction of hating humans in Tohonifun's doujin bothered me a lot less than this.
I don't think all Stripe Patterns doujinshi are good, but they always have a very interesting way of storytelling, regardless of wether or not you like grimdark. I think that's what makes their work stand out, and that what makes me like them as a circle.
I like the SEIRENSEN series because I see it as an elaborate game-mechanics joke, told in a subtle way with good visuals. Not to mention, there's a lot of surrealistic elements, which creates a nice distance between the original work and this retelling, which justifies the absurdities.
RaptorJesus said:The previous doujin before this, which was basically "if you write gag Suwako and Kanako, YOU ARE TERRIBLE AND SANAE HATES YOU" roves he's yet another one of those fanfiction writers who thinks he's intelligent and doing something different, when it's bog-standard grimderpery.
Not all SP doujin are created equal that's for sure. Even the better ones are, without a doubt, written in a manner I'd call the "opposite of intuitive." That doesn't mean they aren't worth taking a look at though.
Love and Peace was probably my favorite. A morbid look youkai being youkai, and at what equality between them and humans would/could actually mean. I'm not the biggest fan of grimdark, but I like anything that makes me think.
Now that I am thinking about it though... better debating something like this than powerlevels or something equally trite (relatively speaking).
ms08tx said: Not all SP doujin are created equal that's for sure. Even the better ones are, without a doubt, written in a manner I'd call the "opposite of intuitive."
The phrase is "poorly written". I had to read Gungir several times before I could tell what the hell was going on.
Also, I don't get what's so in-jokey about their take on UFO.
RaptorJesus said: I had to read Gungir several times before I could tell what the hell was going on.
hard to understand =/= poorly written
I get that you don't like this circle, but please try to make your criticism relevant. If you're going to say something like "poorly written" at least back it up with some proof and references.
Instead of like, making personal attacks on the author.
RaptorJesus said: Also, I don't get what's so in-jokey about their take on UFO.
Forgive me if this might become lengthy, but in order to properly explain this I feel like I need to do it thoroughly.
Have you played the game "The Legend of Zelda; Majora's Mask"? Even if you haven't, you've most likely heard of it. Near the end of the game there is a rather well-known scene; the player character plays tag with several masked children. The last child, wearing the Majoras Mask says "Let's play good guys against bad guys... Yes. Let's play that. Are you ready? You're the bad guy. And when you're bad, you just run. That's fine, right?"
This doujinshi made me remember this quote, because just like it, this doujinshi presents the idea of a naive, almost infantile view of "bad" and "good". Video games, especially old ones, have often used this very simplistic formula. The player character is the good guy, the opposing characters are the bad guys, and they must be defeated, usually without any questions asked.
In PACMAN you flee the ghosts because if they catch you, you lose the game. You "die"; even if that's never explicitly stated in game, that is how people interpret it. If you eat the cherry, you can now kill the ghosts. The ghosts flee, in order to make the game more challenging, but if you look at it from another perspective, the ghosts are fleeing in order to survive. It's a kill or be killed world. It's just a game, and there's nothing seriously morbid about it. To take elements of life and put them in a context without the consequences of real life; that is what a "game" is, and that's what it's always been.
In this two-part series Sanae is the player character, she's the "good guy". Having been defeated by the player character herself in Mountain if Faith and Subterranean Animism she's thrilled to be the player character this time; because she knows that the player character, the "good guy", is invincible, because the game was made so that the player character could defeat the opposing characters.
In game, Sanae displays this naive view of the world where youkai = bad, and god = good. And with this mind-set she casually attacks youkai and tries to exterminate them. Similarly, in this doujin, Sanae strives to defeat the "bad guys", fueled by overconfidence since she knows she can't lose because she is the player character. Sanae is caught up in the purpose of "the game" and she is having a blast, truly enjoying herself. Playing games are supposed to be fun, so there's nothing wrong with that at all.
The pixelated little figures representing each boss character is most likely there to represent how Sanae views her opponents. They are like pawns, like CPU opponents in an old JRPG. They are there to entertain you and challenge you, until you defeat them.
The actual visuals of most of the doujinshi, the realistic, gory parts, is a possible alternate display of a reality that is different from Sanae's. This "reality" isn't necessarily "real"; it is simply alternate. It's a reality where the opposing characters aren't just pawns, but real people, with emotions, motives and reason. They aren't simply "evil", nor "the bad guys". Especially in this second part, you can see them displaying emotions.
Keep in mind the under-title of this work is "Another Angle", so both these "realties" are most likely hypothetical and/or alternate. Then, what is the actual "reality"? I'd say the actual game; "Touhou Seirensen; Undefined Fantastic Object". I'm taking for granted all of us here have played it, and we all knows what happens in that game.
If someone asks what Touhou 12 is about, what would one say?
"It's about how the player character passed judgement on a saint who strove for and preached equality, defeating her and all her friends and followers," might be an acceptable answer.
This doujinshi was written with that possible answer in mind, exploring the alternate ways to interpret the happenings in the game and comparing them to one other; This is what I believe. I find it interesting and amusing, because the Touhou series has always been a "ask no questions, just defeat the enemy" type of game series, despite being a shoot-em-up with an otherwise surprisingly developed universe.
tl;dr; It's funny because it makes morbid fun of the naive/infantile ways of portraying the roles/purposes of characters in video games.
Oh my God. This is the best interpretation I've ever read about Seirensen 'till now; I also really like your references to the others game (and actually, I've never, ever, thought 'bout Pacman in that way).
whatdoyouwant said: Then, what is the actual "reality"? I'd say the actual game; "Touhou Seirensen; Undefined Fantastic Object".
Since, as you said, the sub-title of this doujin's "Another Angle", for me the "reality" is "outside" UFO; there's not anymore the "Spell Card rule which allow you to defeat your opponent without killing anyone". Sanae's just thinking she's in a game, so she keeps killing her opponents, which she consider the "evil", believing they'll somehow "come back". But when she finds out they won't "respawn", she realizes that everything she believed in was a lie, and her "world" destroyed. Which is (are) the reason(s) she ends up fall in despair; my first thought on this image was "I am the heroine; I defeat the evil; so why there's no Good End? Why they don't come back? Am I the real evil?"
Anyway, as I said, this is just my opinion, you can see it as "right" or "wrong", it doesn't matter. Tought, I'd really like to see more posts with Seirensen's opinions/comments beside those saying "Stripe Pattern is nothing better than shitty eroge author" or "Shimadoriru's works are horrible" or "This isn't canon, I hate it" ect. without giving any true explanation/feeling about why they didn't like it. I personally love Stripe Pattern's works, even if they're hard to understand/give an explanation, but this is actually what I love about Shimadoriru; she makes me think, going through the story more and more times to grasp every reason why a character's acting in that way.
I hope I've write everything clearly, but since I didn't want to write too much (and this is already a wall of text), I think I've make things confused; so, apologizes. And I'm still thinking people shouldn't read doujins they don't like; and if they're reading them 'cause of the "Don't judge a book by its cover", at least make proper criticizes.
Reading Love and Peace, it seems to be Stripe Pattern genuinely believes Byakuren is a horrifically evil psychopath (using canon quotes to back up their take on her). Granted, Stripe Pattern believes everyone is a horrifically evil psychopath, which is one of the things that bugs me about them - there's canon, there's twisting things a bit to show a character from a different angle, and then there's raping canon with a rusty harpoon. Seriously, managing to get "Byakuren's a mass murderer" from the fact she was the only survivor of her confrontation with Murasa? Let's not get into their take on Sanae, which is a rather heavy handed whine about gag depictions of Suwako and Kanako. Really, guys? I can understand the deconstruction of gameplay mechanics, but did you have to turn everyone into The Joker in the process?
tl;dr: even for Touhou fanon, SP portrayals are hilariously so far out of it.
RaptorJesus said: there's canon, there's twisting things a bit to show a character from a different angle, and then there's raping canon with a rusty harpoon.
Meanwhile, RaptorJesus proceeds to upload a hunk of Touhou porn because he feels that they are more close to canon and does not involve his Touhou waifus dying and not having sex with his self-inserts.
To him, mass murderer Byakuren, who uses youkai to get what she wants as well as drowning an entire ship of monks just to "rescue" Murasa--is not very canon.
According to him, his posts and his favorites, this Byakuren is much closer to canon.
Remember, kids, porn is better than nifty grimdark analyses of characters!
NOT ALLOWED TO BE CREATIVE, JUST GIVE ME THE PORN, HISAO.
In all seriousness, just looking at the things you post and favorite just blows your opinion about this doujin out of the water. You obviously don't know what art is if you think that badly drawn porn is superior to character analyses.
Just stop posting. The doujin was good, well drawn, and interesting. Meanwhile, you're here whining because you weren't treated to terrible porn and because "OH NO MY TOUHOUS ARE NOT BEING KAWAII UGUU."
I don't think portraying Byakuren as a "mass murderer" is really what SP was getting at. It happens to be the visceral result, but that's only half the equation. She was attacking human hypocrisy, which is something she'd understand very well having lived the life of a hypocrite for some time. Humans enforced the law of survival of the fittest by preying on anything weaker than themselves, so they have no right to complain or cry for help when youkai embrace it as well. It's the human belief that only humans are "fit" that Byakuren goes to war against.
Anyway, even in canon something had to have happened. She wasn't sealed up in Makai for her endearing slice-of-life antics at the local shrine.
I'm not really trying attack anyone's opinion here. Just bouncing my own around.
OpTic_STaRDuST said: Just stop posting. The doujin was good, well drawn, and interesting. Meanwhile, you're here whining because you weren't treated to terrible porn and because "OH NO MY TOUHOUS ARE NOT BEING KAWAII UGUU."
Give it up, dude.
Oh, wait, you mean Danbooru isn't for porn and it's for stupid, poorly written grimdark?! DUDE WHAT this is revelatory. Wait, you want us to "analyze" the motivations of a kawaii uguu shoot 'em up with no stated deaths and where no one explicitly dies and believe it is DEEP and NIFTY? Talk about pretentious. Oh, wait, you're going to defend that Byakuren is obviously a terrible mass murderer because she OBVIOUSLY DROWNED A SHIP OF MONKS IT IS HER FAULT WHAT A HORRIBLE MASS MURDERING BITCH DESPITE THE ACTUAL EVENT BEING VAGUE URGH STRIPE PATTERN PLEASE JIZZ ON MY FACE MORE. She possibly can't have been sealed for humans being racist dicks and obviously had to be an evil genius!1111one YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CRITICIZE MY FAVORITE GRIMDERP COMIC ON MY FAVORITE PORNOSITE YOU HORRIBLE PERSON
"Well written" obviously means shit grammar that manages to be worse than ZUN's writing and completely nonsensical visions OF EXTREME CLOSE UPS ON SURPRISE FACE WITH THE SAME EXACT EYEBALL WHILE SOMETHING MEANINGFUL IS RECITED, guys am i cool and edgy yet and totally not pretentious?
Nice of you to take the time to wade through my porno collection, there. I have fans, uguu~
Don't do that. It's worse than going NO U to an argument and is just plain bad.
RaptorJesus said: Several arguments with many valid points.
Although, I found Gungnir fairly straight forward from the get-go but maybe that's just me. Also, I wouldn't consider what SP does to be "raping canon with a rusty harpoon" as you put it. It is indeed taking a lot of artistic license but as ms08tx put it for Love and Peace,
ms08tx said: Humans enforced the law of survival of the fittest by preying on anything weaker than themselves, so they have no right to complain or cry for help when youkai embrace it as well. It's the human belief that only humans are "fit" that Byakuren goes to war against.
so it's not butchering canon to me. whatdoyouwant gave the best explanation to Seirensen as well. That bit about gag Kanako and Suwako though that you mentioned, I just took that doujin as Sanae being emo. I didn't like it either.
Although a couple of afterwards that SP have included, particularly at the end of Beautiful World makes it sound like they agree with you so meh. 'Course, they also mention the whole, "because it's a game" thing that whatdoyouwant already talked about with Pacman. Everybody's right and noone is.
Well, there's a page where Byakuren rants against Ichirin's faith and claims it to be corrupt - not to mention whatever bastardized vision of Byakuren is, she's still feeding random innocent villagers to butchering youkai. If SP was trying to bastardize Byakuren to the point we can accept their view as non-canon, they didn't do it well by citing UFO lines and backstory.
Also, emo Sanae was plotting to kill gag Suwako and Kanako, or something.
I don't know, I found citing the lines and back stories to be a clever way of twisting things around to make it 'match' with the canon in a horrible and unsettling way. As others have put it, it makes one think. It obviously doesn't work well for everybody but that's what makes people and opinions so interesting to analyze.
Also, I can't find that page you're talking about with Ichirin. The only thing she did at all was ask for help from Byakuren while the youkai were afraid of Bishamonten.
Great art in this doujin set, face/palmable plot though. The death bombing and invincible modes seemed out of place with what the images attempt to portray.
You know, touhou was an incredibly minimalist storyline canon-wise, that allows a wide range of fanon takes on it, from sweet sugary ones to grimdark, so complaining about it deviating from canon may be true (Sanae was considerably less jerkish to Kogasa than Reimu, even if she was a bit overenthusiastic) but touhou didn't get to where it was by staying true to canon.
Anyways, my problem is just like with Berserk, it may look deep on the outside, but really its pretty art and excessive amounts of grimdark. I just think this guy needs a writer to flesh out the works, but I can't fault the narrative style and the art.
Also, uploading porn is a separate deal from uploading narrative-based works. Porn is there to be porn, all else is irrelevent, narrative-based works, however, are different.
Mizuhana said: Great art in this doujin set, face/palmable plot though. The death bombing and invincible modes seemed out of place with what the images attempt to portray.
That was the point, it was breaking the 4th Wall for horror (can't think of a better word here) purposes. Sanae realizes that she has continues, but what she doesn't realize until the previous page is that she's the ONLY person with continues and those bombs, from her point of view essentially making her a goddess, which might as well be true in this doujin.
In the end she realizes that she's the only one who can "continue"; all of the others will stay dead and even though she realizes that she's a character in a video game, that really doesn't change much since she can never actually "exit" the game that is her world.
I just recently heard that Shimadoiru will have a TRPG session with Nasu Kinoko, Gen Urobuchi and Ryohgo Narita (more infos here: http://ani.me/zine/home/article/1954/)
Seeing this doujinshi here makes me VERY afraid, how this will turn out...
whatdoyouwant said: hard to understand =/= poorly written
I get that you don't like this circle, but please try to make your criticism relevant. If you're going to say something like "poorly written" at least back it up with some proof and references.
Instead of like, making personal attacks on the author.
This failed attempt at an argument is so retarded, every possible counter argument you could ever consider is permanently invalid until the end of time.
Something can be hard to understand for multiple reasons. Could be because it's above the readers understanding, could be that the story is a complicated twisted mess, could be that details are omitted for stylistic reasons to be revealed later, OR it could be that it's poorly fucking written. Now, I don't think some wannabe-dark pseudo-poetry recounting of the story of UFO is complicated to any readers, nor is it unnecessarily complex and twisted or missing details for a reveal later, so... I suppose that means it's shitty writing. What a shock.
Poor writing, as far as fan-fiction is concerned, is ignoring any existing canon regarding the characters in question and basically implanting your own ideas about how they are, say to the point where a character who is canonically a ghost is killed via crushing. If you have to resort to changing or ignoring the nature of a characters being in order to make your attempted plot work, your writing is terrible.
OpTic_STaRDuST said: Meanwhile, RaptorJesus proceeds to upload a hunk of Touhou porn because he feels that they are more close to canon and does not involve his Touhou waifus dying and not having sex with his self-inserts.
To him, mass murderer Byakuren, who uses youkai to get what she wants as well as drowning an entire ship of monks just to "rescue" Murasa--is not very canon.
According to him, his posts and his favorites, this Byakuren is much closer to canon.
Remember, kids, porn is better than nifty grimdark analyses of characters!
NOT ALLOWED TO BE CREATIVE, JUST GIVE ME THE PORN, HISAO.
In all seriousness, just looking at the things you post and favorite just blows your opinion about this doujin out of the water. You obviously don't know what art is if you think that badly drawn porn is superior to character analyses.
Just stop posting. The doujin was good, well drawn, and interesting. Meanwhile, you're here whining because you weren't treated to terrible porn and because "OH NO MY TOUHOUS ARE NOT BEING KAWAII UGUU."
Give it up, dude.
I seriously didn't know it was possible to be this retarded. You're actually trying to resort to criticizing people's uploads to support an argument? Jesus.
I haven't seen such an argument since the individual who did a Touhou comic, which was done from someone from the United States, causing excessive drama and mass-mayhem until an administrator stepped in. Yet he has yet to see this. Well, an administrator's life is busy usually and so much goes on here it's not really amusing. Anyways, some people seemed to read into this too much and argued with each other over this. At this point, it's just ongoing and someone will get ravaged by this. I don't know who though. Just enjoy the despair this character is showing, save the picture, masturbate to it, then move on. Or whatever it is people do with these pictures. Some of you gentlemen\ladies really can make me chuckle.
DocAstaroth said: I just recently heard that Shimadoiru will have a TRPG session with Nasu Kinoko, Gen Urobuchi and Ryohgo Narita (more infos here: http://ani.me/zine/home/article/1954/)
Seeing this doujinshi here makes me VERY afraid, how this will turn out...
Domura said: I seriously didn't know it was possible to be this retarded. You're actually trying to resort to criticizing people's uploads to support an argument? Jesus.
Ad hominem is the only way to answer persistent dumbness. I've seem RaptorJesus complain about other doujin - and surprise, they weren't kawaii/fanservicey either.
OpTic_STaRDuST said: Meanwhile, RaptorJesus proceeds to upload a hunk of Touhou porn because he feels that they are more close to canon and does not involve his Touhou waifus dying and not having sex with his self-inserts.
To him, mass murderer Byakuren, who uses youkai to get what she wants as well as drowning an entire ship of monks just to "rescue" Murasa--is not very canon.
According to him, his posts and his favorites, this Byakuren is much closer to canon.
Remember, kids, porn is better than nifty grimdark analyses of characters!
NOT ALLOWED TO BE CREATIVE, JUST GIVE ME THE PORN, HISAO.
In all seriousness, just looking at the things you post and favorite just blows your opinion about this doujin out of the water. You obviously don't know what art is if you think that badly drawn porn is superior to character analyses.
Just stop posting. The doujin was good, well drawn, and interesting. Meanwhile, you're here whining because you weren't treated to terrible porn and because "OH NO MY TOUHOUS ARE NOT BEING KAWAII UGUU."
Give it up, dude.
I agree 100% with this guy.
Touhou porn is just fapfodder while this doujin makes you really think about Byakuren and her ideals of equality between humans and youkai. I think it's obvious which one's more superior.
screamrita said: Ad hominem is the only way to answer persistent dumbness. I've seem RaptorJesus complain about other doujin - and surprise, they weren't kawaii/fanservicey either.
I find it funny you're the one who bitched about Remilia abuse. :downs:
