MemphisMastermind said: That, and death-seeker Meiling seems kinda out-there.
I can -kinda- see where the artist was coming from with that. Meiling is rather low-tier as far as capabilities go, surrounded by humans and youkai that outclass her, and doing a job that seems to serve little purpose when she can actually perform it. The whole "questioning her self-worth" angle seems quite possible. He just overshot it wayyy too much.
Owmyhead said: I can -kinda- see where the artist was coming from with that. Meiling is rather low-tier as far as capabilities go, surrounded by humans and youkai that outclass her, and doing a job that seems to serve little purpose when she can actually perform it. The whole "questioning her self-worth" angle seems quite possible. He just overshot it wayyy too much.
While it is true everyone in the Mansion is stronger (lets face it the SDM is pretty hax in that regard) that is fairly normal when you look at fiction vs reality.
The guards are always weaker then those they are guarding in fiction except in a few cases.
Also the whole low tier capabilities is more fanon then canon. While she is an considered average as far as youkai strength goes, based on her fighting abilities she closer to the high tiers based on PMSS.
Hell he points out that she also has no youkai type weaknesses either.
It comes down to her stage number, the fighting games and the whole reliable China shtick.
Pyrolight said: Also the whole low tier capabilities is more fanon then canon. While she is an considered average as far as youkai strength goes, based on her fighting abilities she closer to the high tiers based on PMSS.
Hell he points out that she also has no youkai type weaknesses either.
It comes down to her stage number, the fighting games and the whole reliable China shtick.
It also points out she has no particular strengths, either.
Unfortunate fact is that there are more examples in canon of her failing miserably at her job than there are of her accomplishing it.
Owmyhead said: It also points out she has no particular strengths, either.
It doesn't actually say that.
- She is not particularly strong compared to other youkai (assumed average here). - No weak points - Highly proficient in battle (martial arts) thus difficult to exterminate.
The Low tier stuff really fit canon.
Unfortunate fact is that there are more examples in canon of her failing miserably at her job than there are of her accomplishing it.
That much is true, but not because she is getting beaten by everyone, but due to her sleeping on the job.
Pyrolight said: That much is true, but not because she is getting beaten by everyone, but due to her sleeping on the job.
No it's more that the only time we really see her trying to stop someone it's someone who's stronger then her like Marisa. Also IIRC she can sense peoples chi even while she's sleeping so she still moves to stop them if they try to get past her while she's sleeping.
Meiling in canon is strong enough to get rid of all the local rif raf and low level Youkai from entering the gate and honestly, that's enough for Remilia anyway. Anyone super strong will get in regardless even if she had an army of gate guards.
Pyrolight said: That much is true, but not because she is getting beaten by everyone, but due to her sleeping on the job.
EoSD - Beaten by the PC SSiB - Beaten by Eirin Inaba - Just plain overwhelmed by rabbits and invitations. Not her finest moment. SaBND - The 3 fairies just sneak past her (so much for the Chi sense) Hisoutensoku - Fell asleep on the job and got caught, didn't even really get scolded for it either.
I don't point these things out because I dislike Meiling or I enjoy mocking her. I actually really like the character. I just hate it when she's misrepresented.
ZUN himself told us to take things that happened in Inaba with a grain of salt as it is Touhou through a "Funny filter". And the faries can get past alot of the characters not due to strength, but due to their abilities when all 3 of them work together. They didn't just sneak in normally.
Unfair to compare Meirin to Mairsa, Reimu and Eirin.
True about Inaba. I just thought I should include it.
The fairies sneak past people because their abilities interfere with the normal perceptive senses. Meiling should've been able to Chi sense them any if she were capable of such a thing, because it doesn't rely on sight or sound and is a form of perception all it's own.
And I wasn't comparing her to them. I'm simply listing Meiling's less than spectacular canon appearances.
She's not weak, far from it. Sakuya, a stage 5 boss and playable character, has admitted Meiling would beat her in a serious fight.
But there have never been any serious fights in the series. They have no reason to fight seriously. It's all playing around with danmaku. Meiling might not be that good at danmaku, but danmaku prowess does not reflect their true strength.
I wish people would stop thinking fan comics are legitimate to the source material, they aren't. Especially this one.
Tetsamaru said: ZUN himself told us to take things that happened in Inaba with a grain of salt as it is Touhou through a "Funny filter".
All the printworks are apocryphal filler to be taken with a grain of salt.
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