Hmm, so she decides to fight after all. Of course Kaguya won't agree to that, that's a plus for me. Edit: Scratch that, she might be thinking of it now.
Now that's a relief, but I demand a scolding from the others for what she said earlier. Especially from Remilia and Sakuya.
Kilgamayan said: So are Patchouli and Nitori Shirou's Power Girl equivalents or something? Should someone tell him that hey, we've noticed?
You mean, between noticing Aya's Ref outfit every time she's onscreen, and all the skimpy lingerie "wrestling outfits" (read as: fetish gear)? (If anything was ungodly distracting, it was Patchy's "silk lingerie" outfit... and Reimu denied us of that all-too-fast thanks to just plain strangling Patchy unconscious.)
The Kirisame team is actually all wearing the same outfits the Kappas have been wearing for a while. They were wearing much less revealing outfits when they had their own choice, earlier, and Patchy was embarrassed by wearing it earlier, so maybe they aren't going out of their way for you to notice?
See, this is what you do when you want people to attack the tank. Piss them all off, a literal taunt. There's an actual reason now to waste all their efforts on attacking Reimu, unlike with Tenshi.
NWSiaCB said: You mean, between noticing Aya's Ref outfit every time she's onscreen, and all the skimpy lingerie "wrestling outfits" (read as: fetish gear)? (If anything was ungodly distracting, it was Patchy's "silk lingerie" outfit... and Reimu denied us of that all-too-fast thanks to just plain strangling Patchy unconscious.)
The Kirisame team is actually all wearing the same outfits the Kappas have been wearing for a while. They were wearing much less revealing outfits when they had their own choice, earlier,
Hmmm... quite a complex situation. Reimu's attitude here and in the previous strip can be considered a pretty dick heel move. On the other hand, her own personality has a certain level of being both honest and naive. Somewhat like Flan not knowing any better, you know?
Of course that line about the thoughts of those who competed with here before may have set a flag for the one who would face off against Reimu and Remi in the end, provided that they succeed against team Hourai.
HS has a good shot at it, but team Moriya can't be discared just like that either. Personally, I still want Tenshi and Okuu to win. They also have a childlike way of wanting to compete from the beginning, and the fight with LS may have given them a chance to mature and carry on the feelings of the ones who have lost.
Moriya actually has something to lose since losing would amount to losing faith and without faith, gods will die. And certainly, it'd be ridiculious for them to lose to HS since the only reason Okuu is as strong as she is is because of the Moriya Shrine. Even Okuu regards Kanako as being god and for that kind of contradiction to take place would deal a real blow to the faith.
ftahgn said: Hmmm... quite a complex situation. Reimu's attitude here and in the previous strip can be considered a pretty dick heel move. On the other hand, her own personality has a certain level of being both honest and naive. Somewhat like Flan not knowing any better, you know?
Not in this series, she isn't. She pretty much set herself up as the callous, selfish heel, and she wouldn't have it any other way.
It would be interesting to know Kaguya's thoughts to this dickery, even if we can tell her reaction already.
ftahgn said: Of course that line about the thoughts of those who competed with here before may have set a flag for the one who would face off against Reimu and Remi in the end, provided that they succeed against team Hourai.
HS has a good shot at it, but team Moriya can't be discared just like that either. Personally, I still want Tenshi and Okuu to win. They also have a childlike way of wanting to compete from the beginning, and the fight with LS may have given them a chance to mature and carry on the feelings of the ones who have lost.
I'm really curious on what is Yukari's reaction to this development.
A curveball would be for the organizers to modify the next match, and make it a free-for-all. Since it appears that Team Reimu has drawn the most heat (and hate) now, this might be an exploitable opportunity.
I wonder if Kaguya's actually annoyed because she's been thrust into a face role she no longer wants. Remember that the Higan match turned her on to the idea of being a heel. She also recognizes the value of a face/heel match to decide everything. Whoever comes out of Moriya/HS will be a face unless Suwako goes full asshole, so with Reimu's declaration, either Kaguya loses, or her beloved climax match is face vs. face, and both of those possibilities displease her.
It ended up being ambiguous iirc. Our only interpretations were from Marisa's point of view. At first she thought Reimu might be going out of control (letting her power go out of control? getting too into it?), then she felt that Reimu intended to kill Nitori, and in the end she thought that Reimu had been bluffing the whole time. On that last point, and maybe even the second one, if that were true, she played her cold and monstrous characterized image for all its worth.
Moreover, we still have no idea what it is Reimu figured out how to do to blow the ring apart (and, earlier, knock out a wall). We haven't yet heard the explanation.
ftahgn said: Hmmm... quite a complex situation. Reimu's attitude here and in the previous strip can be considered a pretty dick heel move. On the other hand, her own personality has a certain level of being both honest and naive. Somewhat like Flan not knowing any better, you know?
Honestly, I've been thinking for a while now that Reimu's actually been at least as stupid as Tenshi/Okuu. She's just been Stupid Evil alignment. As in, she has spat in the face of every single person who would ever have tried being her friend, and doesn't see how that could possibly ever come back to haunt her. (Aside from all she did to Marisa and her friends, she's basically been overtly using Remi without giving half a damn about what Remi feels, and just used the former crown prince as a maid service until her house was cleaned before telling them to GTFO. The idea that making and keeping such potentially powerful friends might have long-term benefit doesn't ever seem to enter her mind at all.)
Given the way that this version of Reimu has been acting, it also ultimately removes all possible sympathy for her being poor: Her whole business model runs on charity... and that charity is to someone who overtly is a purely selfish cutthroat mercenary that only sees people in terms of their direct utility to her. (As in, the last person in the world who would believe in charity.) You'd have to be masochistic to donate to this Reimu.
It's the flanderized-to-be-as-completely-unsympathetic-as-possible-even-if-it-means-making-her-a-flaming-moron Reimu. No strategy, no guile, no plans. Just be invincible and punch the lesser beings into submission. (Although some of the "face" characters like Tenshi are basically the same, just played for sympathy.)
Kilgamayan said: So are Patchouli and Nitori Shirou's Power Girl equivalents or something? Should someone tell him that hey, we've noticed?
They are prone to being stacked in fanart. and like the other guy says, breasts are pretty common in this, Even Marisa has a decent pair (when she's usually very small). Though out of the 4 I think Patchouli and Alice had nice outfits, Nitori's was a bit odd but showed off well. And Marisa has a bizzard taste in fashion (strapless top + BELLBOTTOMS!?)
Still Alice's nicely sized (just not to Titori or Pai-chouli's level)
Steak said: Moriya actually has something to lose since losing would amount to losing faith and without faith, gods will die. And certainly, it'd be ridiculious for them to lose to HS since the only reason Okuu is as strong as she is is because of the Moriya Shrine. Even Okuu regards Kanako as being god and for that kind of contradiction to take place would deal a real blow to the faith.
I'd disagree as even though they might lose, odds are Sanae'd win some fans, more so if we take Reimu's behavior into this. Then again her reason for this is "No one visits anyways"
About the only reason Reimu might get away with that with the audiance is that cute smile.
But the one presently shown to be the most pissed off about all this is Tenshi. Who actually has a legitimate right to be pissed off. Not just from a "its the winner time" angle, but also the sportmanship angle. All the other teams coming in, while at least at first Remi seemed to be there for Sakuya, turned into a staring/boasting contest between the other three teams without any care about the winner or loser of the match that just ended. All three teams seems to have written HS off as a non-issue, and is some ways seem to have failed to recongize that they won at all (the wording in at least on panel suggested they were still talking as if LS had won, but were still insignificant to the tournement as they would be crushed with ease).
The boasting was probably the worst of it since it seemed like it was making the pervious opponent even more insignificant to the last. After Tenshi yelled at them, they seemed to clue in. though for different purposes. Reimu telling Remi she needs to pay attention, and yet pulls this stunt is just way out there...yet fits Reimu as not really caring at all about any of this. She didn't want to go out in the first place, but since she's here, might as well taunt Kaguya over money. Kaguya is playing angles with the crowd and if Tewi is to be believed, buying Tenshi time to naturally heal before having to face Sanae. Sanae is just being Sanae...slightly ditzy with her common sense in how to be in he spotlight. She should be more savvy about this sort of thing with all her idol studies early on, but she's still Sanae (which could make her match with Tenshi kind of fun).
FJH said: It ended up being ambiguous iirc. Our only interpretations were from Marisa's point of view. At first she thought Reimu might be going out of control (letting her power go out of control? getting too into it?), then she felt that Reimu intended to kill Nitori, and in the end she thought that Reimu had been bluffing the whole time. On that last point, and maybe even the second one, if that were true, she played her cold and monstrous characterized image for all its worth.
It's not ambiguous.
Reimu was using a power that she knew could very well kill Nitori and only pretending it was "on accident" because she knew that if she ramped up the stakes, Marisa would back down. It's only because Marisa unexpectedly helped Remi stop Reimu that Reimu was stopped from "accidentally" giving Nitori a crippling or fatal blow.
Even if you say that she was expecting Marisa to stop her, that's a little like shooting blindly at a school, and then saying that if your demands aren't met, you'd actually start shooting the children on purpose - you're recklessly endangering the lives of people around you at best.
And remember - hostage taking doesn't work unless you really are willing to kill the hostage. Reimu couldn't hold back even if Remi didn't stop her or it would have destroyed her leverage, so Reimu was on commit to willingly kill Nitori when she launched that attack. (Just as Yuyuko was about to fully deliberately kill Satori.)
This isn't canon or even fanon Reimu, this is pure-villain Shirou-Reimu. The whole point is that she's an unabashed puppy-eater for the purposes of creating the sort of Big Bad canon Touhou never really has.
Everyone seems to be missing what she's done. In one move she's taken the attention off of Kaguya and ruined her moment while distracting Remi so she doesn't have time to be worried about Sakuya. Being mad at Remiu is still better for Remi then being worried about Sakuya and we already have precedent for anger between partners still creating a way to get over it and win with Kaguya and Mokou.
Dick move? Stupid? No, that move was nothing short of a masterpiece.
silly Reimu, doesn't your intuition tell you that the tournament's already been decided? Also, thinking that Friendly Fire or themselves are going to beat HS, lol.
Sanae and Suwako are going to get bodied, even though Sanae has defeated freaking Yuka and Flandre. Seeing how both Moriya (Sanae, at least) and HS seem to have a more carefree ("I'll just have fun. Heavy gameplanning? F- that!") attitude than average, it's really contradicting that they should get upset about Reimu's proposal. Also, the teams that have lost already shouldn't feel upset as well, if they realized that they were destined to lose to HS anyways.
The_Shadow said: Everyone seems to be missing what she's done. In one move she's taken the attention off of Kaguya and ruined her moment while distracting Remi so she doesn't have time to be worried about Sakuya. Being mad at Remiu is still better for Remi then being worried about Sakuya and we already have precedent for anger between partners still creating a way to get over it and win with Kaguya and Mokou.
Dick move? Stupid? No, that move was nothing short of a masterpiece.
So because there's a precedent for something working out well, that means you can absolutely trust it always will work out well? If you drink and drive, but manage to come home fine once, that means you can do it all the time without risk?
As my legal potboiler novels always love to say, the first rule of being a lawyer is that you never ask a question you don't know the answer to. You never hatch a plan whose outcome you can't forsee. Unless she reveals that she somehow controls exactly how Remilia's going to react, that's a massive and unnecessary risk for little gain that she could have gotten with less reckless means. (Reimu could have basically just accused Kaguya of some of her previous heelish behavior - as Kilga pointed out, Kaguya would have been happy to accept - and focused Remi's "revenge" feelings on that, for example, putting the anger on the enemy, where it's far more predictable.)
When Reimu finally loses, there's either going to be a flashback to this point, or an SDM crowd uprising or something like that to link her downfall to her behavior at moments like these.
Wow, quite the discussion we got goin on here. All I want to point out though is Marisa and team looks pretty hot here. might be the cloths, might be the angle, might be they're pretty sexy to begin with; heck it might be all three combined. Either way my love for a sarashi has increased tenfold
Honestly looking at how Reimu's acting and how Remilia's acting while also taking into account their previous matches I'm going to have to agree with The Shadow on this. Reimu's definitely up to something conniving but I think it goes further than just making it so Remilia doesn't rush over and worry about Sakuya rather I think Reimu's covering up her "weakness"
Think about it in both their prior matches the biggest risk and the only thing their opponents could really use against them was goading Remilia into doing something foolish. A move that when you really think about it nearly cost them the last match.
By doing this she's not only preventing Remilia from showing any weakness but she's also prevented her opponents from trying any underhanded move to get the upper hand. Or at least prevented them from capitalizing on Remilia's shaken state.
Looking at it from this point of view changes things in a strange direction though. While on the obvious surface that makes it do Reimu's not nearly as much of a heel that she's making herself out to be this would mean however that Reimu really doesn't trust Remilia as a partner. A trait that I really wouldn't put past her as opposed to someone who would willingly make every opponent around her hate her with a burning passion. Such a strategy goes at complete odds with what she told Marisa during their match about how she doesn't want the weak attempting to fight her in a hopeless battle.
An act like this is very foolish on the surface. Reimu isn't stupid and even if she truly didn't care in the slightest as she claims she wouldn't state it so flippantly as to make her like more difficult. She wouldn't make a speech such as this without planning to gain something from it to outweigh the backlash that would come from such a statement.
Freya211 said: Wow, quite the discussion we got goin on here. All I want to point out though is Marisa and team looks pretty hot here. might be the cloths, might be the angle, might be they're pretty sexy to begin with; heck it might be all three combined. Either way my love for a sarashi has increased tenfold
Can't blame you as the vests are snug on Alice (who has a bit of cleavage showing) and Marisa (not exactly lacking) though the other two are so... healthy that the vests don't cover their busts and the contrast of dark colors and white make for quite a stunning display. It makes me wonder how tightly bond the sarashi is as there's the implication associated with sarashi (they might be even bigger)
But Shirou's Reimu HAS been stupid. (Which, again, is different from saying that normal Reimu is stupid...) She goes out of her way to be a dick even at times when being less of a dick would have profited her more. (Again, when you have high-level characters like Miko at your house begging you for a chance to let them help you, and all you can think of is to use them as a maid service and then slam the door in their face, you aren't thinking too hard.)
Just because a plan might succeed at a stated objective doesn't mean it wasn't a stupid idea. If I want to get in my house when my front door is locked, I could blow the door off with explosives and accomplish my stated goal, but that doesn't mean that I couldn't have much more intelligently accomplished that same objective with far less long-ranging negative consequences by just using the house key.
There are numerous ways Reimu could have distracted Remi - Patchy even said that one way could be to just start the fight right then and there. Reimu could have said something to spark a fight directly between her and Kaguya, putting Kaguya in heel position. Reimu could have just said something directly to Remi. Reimu could have even just plain stomped on Remi's foot and told her that her wrestling outfit made her look fat, and it probably would have had the desired result of stopping Remi from thinking of Sakuya, without being as risky.
If anything, this may make Remi more volatile, and open her up more for exploitation by Kaguya. I hardly see how a move like this somehow shuts off any real routes Kaguya could take. (Kaguya could suddenly change her mind, and go face in response, or go for broke trying to out-heel Reimu.)
Besides which, something that subtle and indirect seems pretty out-of-character for the lazy and, again, generally pretty stupid Reimu we've seen from Shirou thus far. Reimu hasn't been subtle in this series in the least. She's just bluntly declared what she wanted, and then taken it. She might see a plot and intercept it, but she doesn't really hatch plots, herself. The most "devious" thing she's done thus far is fake going "out of control" in order to functionally force Marisa into giving up lest Reimu kill one of her friends. That's not the move of a mastermind in the shadows, that's common thuggery.
Shirou's Reimu really just said it: She doesn't give a enough of a shit to put in the effort to think things that far ahead. And not thinking a move whose effects are so dangerously unpredictable ahead is, as I said before, stupid.
She's doing this because it's the most heelish thing she could do, even if it makes no sense outside of the goal of Cartoon Villainy. Shirou needs Reimu to be the heel, but I guess she's too stubbornly popular for the (Japanese) audience to root against her unless Shirou actually makes her come out and say that she really finds puppies positively scrumptious.
heel-ness doesn't rule out popularity, soemthing Kaguya knows (if her and Mokou did go heel, she likely knows how to spin it off in similar fashion to The Rock)
Yeah The Rock was originally a heel persona, though one with considerable charisma.
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shadowbringer said: silly Reimu, doesn't your intuition tell you that the tournament's already been decided? Also, thinking that Friendly Fire or themselves are going to beat HS, lol.
Sanae and Suwako are going to get bodied, even though Sanae has defeated freaking Yuka and Flandre. Seeing how both Moriya (Sanae, at least) and HS seem to have a more carefree ("I'll just have fun. Heavy gameplanning? F- that!") attitude than average, it's really contradicting that they should get upset about Reimu's proposal. Also, the teams that have lost already shouldn't feel upset as well, if they realized that they were destined to lose to HS anyways.
You're still going on with that? Can't you see from the previous strips? Who's the most exhausted there? It's Tenshi, not Sakuya, and definitely not Suika. She's completely beaten up after the match and there's a panel that showed that there's a strain on her back. And Okuu is also beaten up too to get Suika out of the ring. I don't understand why some people think that Tenshi will suddenly recover to full health after the match. Is it because of her first match? Of course she'll recover completely, the next match is a whole month later, everyone did.
If you're complaining that Tenshi regens, then mind explaining how Sakuya can endure all the beating that she took, even when she said it's too much for her before taking yet another hit? If she's really as fragile as she says she is, the headbutt from Okuu should've knocked her out cold. Shou is knocked out by something similar and Sakuya is nowhere near her level of endurance. Also, stop calling Shou 'incompetent', she's anything but that, rather she's one of the most skilled fighter if it's about wrestling. Not to mention how Suika stays unstoppable even after she's supposedly worn out. We can take that as the sheer combat prowess of the Oni and Suika has definitely lived up to it. They can't win against Suika, that's why they went for the pin. If you haven't realized by now then let me tell you, EVERYONE regens. It's actually faithful to real wrestling because it is true, people do recover in matches, especially in a tag team. There's nothing strange with that.
And stop saying that HS is non-strategical and less skilled than LS, it's already explained many times in previous strips. To me, HS vs LS is like a match between equally skilled player in a fighting game. With full knowledge of their characters ability, solid tactics and ways to counter their opponents. So how can either player win the match? When the other player screwed up. As you have said, LS choked, they can't adapt and counter properly and it cost them the match. And what's with you saying that they'll win the whole thing(I would love that, mind you) and it will be boring and predictable even though they've just won 2 times, like other teams? I haven't seen you said anything like that to the other teams, even though those teams certainly haven't put out as much effort as HS.
Really, I'm not bothered by your comments. I actually liked it because you had your reasons, you gave examples, responding with logical answer, and gave an explanations that's easy to understand. Also it's nice to see someone being passionate for the team that they root for, and I do too. That's why what bothers me is that you're hell-bent to outright kill HS in some of your comments because apparently you won't be satisfied if HS only lose in their future matches. What should you do with that much hate?
Sorry for the rant and thank you for reading this.
Kilgamayan said: Oh, forgot to follow up on this.
I was actually getting more at their "origin story".
Yeah, let's just leave this matter aside and let's talk about boobs(funnily, this is what they're talking about on pixiv), because Dei is clearly teasing us in recent chapters and finally gave us this strip with all kinds of boobs. Since Dei is certainly interested in it, if the outfits is any indication, and his preference to draw them for most girls, who do you think have the biggest and is the most appropriate for the Boobs of Steel title? Dibs on Byakuren, because of her soft but somehow tough as steel boobs. Her outfit may lack the boobwindow, but because of how her outfit is designed, it's hard to not focus on those mountains.
Personally, I just want this to end now and give me the scene where both teams settled with each other, Yuugi praises Tenshi for her growth from the training and Satori, Koishi and Orin petting Okuu for her good work. Is that too much to ask?
Skribulous said: Manipulative and conniving? Certainly. Insensitive and callous? No question? But stupid? Not this Reimu.
She KNOWS exactly what she's doing.
And she doesn't care.
Isn't willfully doing something so self-destructive... stupid?
This is a series where people are fully aware of what the face/heel distinction means, and Kaguya's even purposefully going for heel status in order to willfully lose because her motivation is to just get famous putting on a good show.
Reimu, however, is in it to win. She should know that requires keeping the crowd on her side in a match where the strip even essentially nods to has power levels based upon audience cheering. The shortest, simplest way to win and get everything she wants would be, again, to pretend to be the hero she totally isn't and let Kaguya heel it up.
If she needs subversive tactics for anything, it's making sure Suwako goes full-on heel and rigging HS to lose so that she can be the face in the final round, as well.
monhan said: If you're complaining that Tenshi regens, then mind explaining how Sakuya can endure all the beating that she took, even when she said it's too much for her before taking yet another hit? If she's really as fragile as she says she is, the headbutt from Okuu should've knocked her out cold. Shou is knocked out by something similar and Sakuya is nowhere near her level of endurance. Also, stop calling Shou 'incompetent', she's anything but that, rather she's one of the most skilled fighter if it's about wrestling. Not to mention how Suika stays unstoppable even after she's supposedly worn out. We can take that as the sheer combat prowess of the Oni and Suika has definitely lived up to it. They can't win against Suika, that's why they went for the pin. If you haven't realized by now then let me tell you, EVERYONE regens. It's actually faithful to real wrestling because it is true, people do recover in matches, especially in a tag team. There's nothing strange with that.
Actually, the thing that really annoyed me, personally, was all the talk at the start of HS vs. LS was that there were so many people cheering for Sakuya to lose because she was "overpowered" and "boring and invincible".
... In a fight where Tenshi headbutts an oni in the fist and hurt's the oni's fist.
The only real reason Tenshi even started taking damage at all was because Suika megaton-kanchoed her. Incidentally, the only damage Reimu's really been taking so far has been through kicks to the groin.
I get the sense Tenshi vs. Reimu will be like a fight between Nemean Lions - invincible everywhere but their glowing red weak points. (... And now that I'm thinking about it, that basically means that logically the matchup would come down to Ultimate Fighter-style grab the other guy in a 69 and lay there groin-punching/finger-banging the other girl until they cry blood... How many of you just got erections from that idea?)
Meanwhile, Sakuya had serious vulnerabilities besides the groin, including the fact that she's basically just a human in a grapple... and grappling was her main strength. Her shield is highly conditional (in fact, since it is an active defense, it's completely vulnerable to surprise attacks, which, if she were facing more heelish and pragmatic opponents like Suwako, would have made for far more tense matches).
So I don't think it's entirely fair to cast stones on someone complaining about HS being "set up to win"... since we'd be seeing the exact same argument against LS, just from different people, if they'd won. We've all obviously got our own horses in this race.
monhan said: You're still going on with that? Can't you see from the previous strips? Who's the most exhausted there? It's Tenshi, not Sakuya, and definitely not Suika. She's completely beaten up after the match and there's a panel that showed that there's a strain on her back. And Okuu is also beaten up too to get Suika out of the ring. I don't understand why some people think that Tenshi will suddenly recover to full health after the match. Is it because of her first match? Of course she'll recover completely, the next match is a whole month later, everyone did.
If you're complaining that Tenshi regens, then mind explaining how Sakuya can endure all the beating that she took, even when she said it's too much for her before taking yet another hit? If she's really as fragile as she says she is, the headbutt from Okuu should've knocked her out cold. Shou is knocked out by something similar and Sakuya is nowhere near her level of endurance. Also, stop calling Shou 'incompetent', she's anything but that, rather she's one of the most skilled fighter if it's about wrestling. Not to mention how Suika stays unstoppable even after she's supposedly worn out. We can take that as the sheer combat prowess of the Oni and Suika has definitely lived up to it. They can't win against Suika, that's why they went for the pin. If you haven't realized by now then let me tell you, EVERYONE regens. It's actually faithful to real wrestling because it is true, people do recover in matches, especially in a tag team. There's nothing strange with that.
And stop saying that HS is non-strategical and less skilled than LS, it's already explained many times in previous strips. To me, HS vs LS is like a match between equally skilled player in a fighting game. With full knowledge of their characters ability, solid tactics and ways to counter their opponents. So how can either player win the match? When the other player screwed up. As you have said, LS choked, they can't adapt and counter properly and it cost them the match. And what's with you saying that they'll win the whole thing(I would love that, mind you) and it will be boring and predictable even though they've just won 2 times, like other teams? I haven't seen you said anything like that to the other teams, even though those teams certainly haven't put out as much effort as HS.
Really, I'm not bothered by your comments. I actually liked it because you had your reasons, you gave examples, responding with logical answer, and gave an explanations that's easy to understand. Also it's nice to see someone being passionate for the team that they root for, and I do too. That's why what bothers me is that you're hell-bent to outright kill HS in some of your comments because apparently you won't be satisfied if HS only lose in their future matches. What should you do with that much hate?
Sorry for the rant and thank you for reading this.
I see. At least he tried to give an explanation.
Yeah, let's just leave this matter aside and let's talk about boobs(funnily, this is what they're talking about on pixiv), because Dei is clearly teasing us in recent chapters and finally gave us this strip with all kinds of boobs. Since Dei is certainly interested in it, if the outfits is any indication, and his preference to draw them for most girls, who do you think have the biggest and is the most appropriate for the Boobs of Steel title? Dibs on Byakuren, because of her soft but somehow tough as steel boobs. Her outfit may lack the boobwindow, but because of how her outfit is designed, it's hard to not focus on those mountains.
Personally, I just want this to end now and give me the scene where both teams settled with each other, Yuugi praises Tenshi for her growth from the training and Satori, Koishi and Orin petting Okuu for her good work. Is that too much to ask?
Byakuren's outfit highlights everything. Though I'd say Yuugi is a bit more deserving of boobs of steel.
monhan said: Can't you see from the previous strips? Who's the most exhausted there?
who's the most exhausted is irrelevant. It even further shows how Tenshi could just defeat locks, and everything else, with just her stamina. I wouldn't be complaining if she and Okuu played as strategically as they could, but no, that wouldn't be appealing to the mainstream audience. Her getting tired was her fault as well, while Sakuya as a human had to try to compensate with grappling *techniques* (something that if Tenshi had learned, she wouldn't have been in such a bad shape), and that wasn't enough. Mindlessness gets rewarded here, instead of punished. Fans of mindless play get rewarded as well, which is insulting.
monhan said: I don't understand why some people think that Tenshi will suddenly recover to full health after the match.
because that's how the other teams challenging HS will lose as well? LS had plenty opportunities to use Tenshi against Okuu and didn't? Basically, the opposing teams will use their repertoire against her, and be defeated as they're past their usefulness. Either the damage won't be enough, or the opposing team will commit critical mistakes at the worst times possible (or both); no amount of skill can counter scripted fights.
monhan said: Of course she'll recover completely, the next match is a whole month later, everyone did.
thing is that she has way more resistance than other characters. If Byakuren and Suika can't beat that resistance (and the teams fail to do everything else), why do people think that she's not a favorite, even with her mindless play? It doesn't stop there, though; moral lessons have (in this comic) a much higher weight than it should, in the outcome of battles. Both factors are why I stopped taking this strip seriously. (plus, strategic play being spat on the face, while fans of non-strategic play rejoice)
monhan said: the headbutt from Okuu should've knocked her out cold. Shou is knocked out by something similar and Sakuya is nowhere near her level of endurance.
comparing a headbutt from Tenshi with Okuu's, just no. Also, Suika shouldn't have allowed such a situation to occur, in the first place. But... scripted fights.
monhan said: Also, stop calling Shou 'incompetent', she's anything but that, rather she's one of the most skilled fighter if it's about wrestling.
- throws away chance to exploit injured arm of forgot who - fails to prevent Okuu from saving Tenshi - leaves Byakuren to fight alone against two
no, not incompetent.. maybe she had just attained enlightenment upon the realization on how futile it is to fight HS? In any case, even if she's scripted to lose, purposefully adding needless risk into your own winning chances is "fair play" to many, but for me it's lack of respect; it's as if the opponent isn't worthy of your true fighting potential. Lack of care for gameplanning (which HS has been doing) is an even more grave offense, in that the "let's play for fun!" side (players and crowd) is actually winning (instead of losing, like it should realistically).
monhan said: They can't win against Suika
they could, Suika (and everyone else fighting them) will be at AI level 1. Like I said before, no ammount of skill can counter such plot armor. (besides, Suika wasn't worthy even 4 nukes from Okuu)
monhan said: If you haven't realized by now then let me tell you, EVERYONE regens.
If you haven't realized by now then let me tell you, - matches are in HS' favor due to plot armor (confirmed) - matches are in HS' favor due to moral lessons having much higher weight in the outcome of battles than it should (realistically, none. But, :wrestling: ) - matches are in HS' favor because the opponents will waste their repertoire on Tenshi, and be defeated as they're past their usefulness. Everything else will "not work" or not be applied. - about the above point, what if "everyone regens"? They can't outdamage Tenshi, anyways, so what's the point that everyone else regens? This ability is so broken, that Tenshi has won without trying to play to win (also, because their opponents are set to lose, anyways), therefore, this game isn't to be taken seriously.
monhan said: And stop saying that HS is non-strategical and less skilled than LS, it's already explained many times in previous strips.
Tenshi brute-forcing her way out of locks, strategical? Okuu carrying out two plans (second nuke and carrying Suika), but the rest being purely reaction, solutions found on a whim? Tenshi complaining about Sakuya's parry ability, which is way harder to execute (and way more exploitable) than just soaking up hits with a celestial's body? But of course, people who've never tried to do parries in 3s (or Just Defends in Garou, or other similar mechanics) can only complain when it gets done on them.
monhan said: To me, HS vs LS is like a match between equally skilled player in a fighting game.
good that you've mentioned fighting games, because in that sense, HS has been playing like scrubs, and winning, when they should be losing. But, scrubs have their treat here, and are able to finally, for once, say "take this!" to those who beat them.
monhan said: With full knowledge of their characters ability
nope; Tenshi and Okuu could've done way more (though being smart, and even being able to do what Okuu has done is totally out of character, but... :scripted fights: ), the same could be said of other characters. For some weird reason, though, those who do try to explore the possibilities more, get punished with defeat, while those who can be identified with "I just want to play for fun" get the wins.
monhan said: solid tactics and ways to counter their opponents.
solid tactics (for the HS's opponents) until the time for them to hold the idiot ball comes, I can agree. Good execution of said tactics, no. Also, solid tactics don't apply to HS, who've consistently pulled countermeasures on a whim. And won against a team that was supposed to be strategical. Personally, I don't know who has failed harder; LS, for letting the win slip from their hands (even though :scripted fights: ), or HS, for having such luxuries (strong damage and resistance) and not taking proper advantage of them, which would gain my support (which would mean, drop that "moral lesson" BS; their GTT counterparts were much more convincing.) and make them be a much greater threat.
monhan said: LS choked, they can't adapt and counter properly and it cost them the match.
LS (and the other teams that fought and will fight HS) couldn't force the hand of fate.
monhan said: I haven't seen you said anything like that to the other teams, even though those teams certainly haven't put out as much effort as HS.
I have yelled at the magician team for misrepresenting magicians (with an incomplete strategy) in their fight against Red 75%. Also, you seem to care too much for effort. Did you (and the rest of Tenshi fans) forget that she's way more durable than other characters (in this comic)? She should be ashamed of taking more damage than other players, as this shows that she has committed more or more serious mistakes than the others. Also, like I've said before, efforts (and moral lessons) shouldn't have the final say on who wins. Playing to win, should. (but, :staged fights: )
monhan said: That's why what bothers me is that you're hell-bent to outright kill HS in some of your comments because apparently you won't be satisfied if HS only lose in their future matches. What should you do with that much hate?
I've exaggerated on the part where I've ordered their heads in a tray. Wouldn't want to have the characters permanently removed from the series (and other doujin), solely because of this comic. Even asking for the heads of this comic's Tenshi and Okuu would be rather excessive, but I'm sure they won't be able to make up for their offenses, ever.
Well, I can see that you're still saying the same thing from before. Good, keep rooting for your favorite team, as I will too. All I can say is you should drop that 'scripted/staged' stuff. HS and LS didn't follow any script other than Dei's himself. How can you enjoy any comic if you call how the author wants the fights to go 'scripted'(it is, but not in-universe)? And it's good to know that you'll hold back with the death threat. Let's just enjoy this comic without any hard feelings. It would be nice to see your comments in the future strips and I'm hoping we'll be on the same side for once. Also, judging from your comments, perhaps we're fellow Byakuren fans? Then let me remind you on one thing. So far, Byakuren is the only one who can knock out Tenshi in one move if it's not interrupted, something even Suika can't do, and she still have stronger moves. I sure am happy with that. The mikos will probably do something similar but let's just rejoice for now.
about the complaining about Tenshi being able to take Suika's hits but not byakuren's: Tenshi got endurance training from Yuugi so yeah she'd be tougher by the second match.
What?They're carrying......the thoughts of all those who've competed against them so far.What she said had basically brought wrath upon herself.Or was she really serious?Whether she was serious or not...
-Patchouli...she knows she's being protected.
-PatchouliHmm...
-ReimuI wonder if that was a strategy of hers?By Remi and such.Fine by me.And she suddenly changed this to her victory declaration!!Episode 981: Negotiation Breakdown.From the Artist's Pixiv page.I'll just get it with my own power, then.What's with the bloodthirsty feeling...It's quite uncomfortable, you know?Of course everyone would have bloodthirsty feelings from that.Zero HesitationFrom the looks of it, there's no room to bargain here.
-ReimuA-