I'm surprise it took this long. But the question now is would the Japanese be able to keep it or will the wreckage be salvage and sold or confiscated by the Americans or something.
Edit: Was the wreckage found by the Japanese? Seems Paul Allen found it while riding his sub or whatever. Either way if he salvage it he can probably sell it for a good price, although he seems to already be rich as fuck. Honestly, I don't remember what's the salvage rule for finding undersea wreckage.
Considering how ridiculously deep she sank (lower than what military subs can submerge to iirc) and her metal being 70 years old underwater I'm pretty sure it's anything but cost-effective to raise her for salvaging. The only reason to do so would be for historical keeping or something
I'm surprise it took this long. But the question now is would the Japanese be able to keep it or will the wreckage be salvage and sold or confiscated by the Americans or something.
Honestly, its 1k meter deep and has been under there for 70 years. They probably can salvage some of the iconic parts like the bow, but most likely they'll just leave it there as sort of a reminder.
Keo said:
Edit: Was the wreckage found by the Japanese? Seems Paul Allen found it while riding his sub or whatever. Either way if he salvage it he can probably sell it for a good price, although he seems to already be rich as fuck. Honestly, I don't remember what's the salvage rule for finding undersea wreckage.
IIRC it will be declared as a war grave and will still belong to the property of the country that owns it.
Sunken warships, especially ones down this deep where there's no possibility of recovering the crew's bodies, tend to be left alone as war graves. At most they'll collect whatever small relics a submarine can grab via robot arm.
Yes at the very least they should get the crysanthemum crest from her bow.
Doesn't look like there's any in the photo One of the forum suggested that rather than lost in explosion, it's probably detached by the crew and burned ceremonially before abandoning ship.
Doesn't look like there's any in the photo One of the forum suggested that rather than lost in explosion, it's probably detached by the crew and burned ceremonially before abandoning ship.
Really? That's a real shame. They could try getting one of her cannons or barrels of her guns.
During her sinking, there were two reported explosion occurred underwater, since there are still no complete report about the condition of the wreck, we'll just hope that her main cannons were not torn to shred by the explosions.
Also, this might resolve several arguments such as how many hits did Musashi endured before sinking.
I'm surprise it took this long. But the question now is would the Japanese be able to keep it or will the wreckage be salvage and sold or confiscated by the Americans or something.
The Japanese or the Americans? The Japanese I would assume they would want it for relic and historical reason since Musashi was a pretty major ship for the IJN. The Americans would want it cause...well...hell, I'd love to be able to see an old IJN ship studied and in an American exhibition. We don't really have much of those here, a nice thing to see.
The Americans would want it cause...well...hell, I'd love to be able to see an old IJN ship studied and in an American exhibition. We don't really have much of those here, a nice thing to see.
Wouldn't this cause a ruckus though? I mean, it was the USN that sank her in the first place. Having her as an exhibit in the US is like, I dunno, digging up an enemy's grave and putting her corpse up for show?
I honestly don't think both parties would want to cause an incident because of a World War II relic. Besides most likely they will honor the great battleship and her crew by not disturbing the wreck. They'll take a few small relics for preservation purposes but not disturb the whole wreck. Not to mention, it's become a sort of artifical reef, so they wouldn't want to disturb the ecosystem that thrived for years down there.
All war graves are treated with reverence by all parties. Even China, which still has enmity with Japan to this day, did what it can to protect the wreck of Amatsukaze when it was discovered off their coast a couple of years ago. Nobody is going to salvage Musashi for commercial reasons except for criminal types and the US won't dispute anything with Japan because there's nothing to dispute. International law is pretty clear about the protection of military shipwrecks and war graves. I swear, do y'all imagine modern museums to be like British victorian grave robbers from the 19th century or something?
Being 1km deep, no way you'll lift that up in Romblon. Now I wonder how many Japanese and KanColle players will start booking trips here in PH for that?
(I do wonder if playing KanColle inspires visits to the shipgirl's resting place? I've heard of a guy marrying a ship ingame and dropping a $300 wedding ring IRL on the wreck site)
EDIT: That was technically located in Romblon, not Leyte. Edited to reflect such.
Being 1km deep, no way you'll lift that up in Leyte. Now I wonder how many Japanese and KanColle players will start booking trips here in PH for that?
(I do wonder if playing KanColle inspires visits to the shipgirl's resting place? I've heard of a guy marrying a ship ingame and dropping a $300 wedding ring IRL on the wreck site)
It's possible. Thanks to kancolle I've taken up the interest in reading through WW2 events, the Admirals, the ships, weapons and various other things.
I personally would love to go to Japan and be able to view the actual ships themselves that might be on display in the museums.
All war graves are treated with reverence by all parties. Even China, which still has enmity with Japan to this day, did what it can to protect the wreck of Amatsukaze when it was discovered off their coast a couple of years ago. Nobody is going to salvage Musashi for commercial reasons except for criminal types and the US won't dispute anything with Japan because there's nothing to dispute. International law is pretty clear about the protection of military shipwrecks and war graves. I swear, do y'all imagine modern museums to be like British victorian grave robbers from the 19th century or something?
Prince of Wales & Repulse are protected War Grave, but they're STILL getting stripped for scrap illegally.
You can't expect everybody to respect sunken ships and war graves, especially in areas further away from the main country that those belong to. But Musashi being so deep underwater I doubt she would be as big of a target. I can't say that there won't be assholes diving under and pulling parts out but it'll probably be less likely than the other two.
But with that said, these are the reason why I think salvaging the ships and placing them inside a museum would be a better idea. It would be better that everyone can see the ship itself and have it safety guarded than only being able to look at it through photos while it rot away.
I only hope that the crysanthemum bow is recovered or was really burned by the crews. It's perhaps the most iconic piece of the ship, and denying those sad parasitic excuses of human beings of that would be fine with me.
Also it's amusing that I learned that Akebono's wreck is not so far from Manila Bay. Now whenever I go there, I imagine some very angry destroyer cursing "Kuso Teitoku."
I only hope that the crysanthemum bow is recovered or was really burned by the crews. It's perhaps the most iconic piece of the ship, and denying those sad parasitic excuses of human beings of that would be fine with me.
Also it's amusing that I learned that Akebono's wreck is not so far from Manila Bay. Now whenever I go there, I imagine some very angry destroyer cursing "Kuso Teitoku."
Ah, nothing like a pottymouth kanmusu to taunt you as you bask on the Manila Bay sunset.
I only hope that the crysanthemum bow is recovered or was really burned by the crews. It's perhaps the most iconic piece of the ship, and denying those sad parasitic excuses of human beings of that would be fine with me.
Also it's amusing that I learned that Akebono's wreck is not so far from Manila Bay. Now whenever I go there, I imagine some very angry destroyer cursing "Kuso Teitoku."
Ah, nothing like a pottymouth kanmusu taunting you while basking in the Manila Bay sunset.
You can't expect everybody to respect sunken ships and war graves, especially in areas further away from the main country that those belong to. But Musashi being so deep underwater I doubt she would be as big of a target. I can't say that there won't be assholes diving under and pulling parts out but it'll probably be less likely than the other two.
But with that said, these are the reason why I think salvaging the ships and placing them inside a museum would be a better idea. It would be better that everyone can see the ship itself and have it safety guarded than only being able to look at it through photos while it rot away.
garpun said:
that's why i said "except criminal types"
I was absolutely outraged when I read the article, not least of all because I'm British... But because of what those wrecks represent; A grave marker for 1300+ souls who fought for their country and paid the ultimate price. War may be war and lives WILL be lost during the course of it, but there is NOTHING that gives those pirates ANY sort of right to do that.
While I support the idea of raising Musashi and bringing her to a museum, it's just not feasible. She's too far down, and is too large to raise, let alone tow to any landmass. All we can do, is look at the pictures, and raise a drink in toast to her short but proud life. I care not that she was against the allies, she is a piece of history I can love and respect.
I'm surprise it took this long. But the question now is would the Japanese be able to keep it or will the wreckage be salvage and sold or confiscated by the Americans or something.
Americans? Nah, the real and biggest threat are the Chinese "salvagers", many ships have become victims, such as HMS Prince of Wales and IJN Kuma
Now all thats left is to head to Surigao Strait and find the Fuso's remains. Speaking of which, the ship was damn hardy back in the day to take such an absurd amount of punishment where normally a typical warship would already be rolling in the deep.
I wont be intrigued that much anymore when someone took pics of the Fuso's remains at Surigao Strait or any naval graveyards such as Ormoc here in the Philippines.
Now all thats left is to head to Surigao Strait and find the Fuso's remains. Speaking of which, the ship was damn hardy back in the day to take such an absurd amount of punishment where normally a typical warship would already be rolling in the deep.
I wont be intrigued that much anymore when someone took pics of the Fuso's remains at Surigao Strait or any naval graveyards such as Ormoc here in the Philippines.
Someone tried to dive down there and found Yamashiro instead.
