First American CV in Kancolle is exactly like what I always imagine: A launcher instead of a bow.
Not just any launcher, a true blue Tommy Gun, with drum magazine reloads no less.
@NNescio: A Revolutionary War motif would be completely out of place in Kancolle for the very reason that ALL of the ships so far have used attire that was used in the 20th Century. The only reasons the Japanese girls get away with stuff with hakamas is because they do still wear those even into this century, instead of being relegated to reenactments and museums like Revolutionary War outfits.
Her rigging looks cool (dat launcher damn), but for me, the best design overall is Commandant Teste. Her design is kind of disappointing for me. of course it would be Yoshinori huh for the American ships.
So, which characters could be subjected to PTSD in fanworks? We had Katori going through PTSD after seeing Iowa. Pola and Zara had PTSD when they saw Warspite.
So, which characters could be subjected to PTSD in fanworks? We had Katori going through PTSD after seeing Iowa. Pola and Zara had PTSD when they saw Warspite.
Not just any launcher, a true blue Tommy Gun, with drum magazine reloads no less.
@NNescio: A Revolutionary War motif would be completely out of place in Kancolle for the very reason that ALL of the ships so far have used attire that was used in the 20th Century. The only reasons the Japanese girls get away with stuff with hakamas is because they do still wear those even into this century, instead of being relegated to reenactments and museums like Revolutionary War outfits.
RJ. Kariginu.
Akitsu Maru. Yasunori Katō-style uniform.
German pantless ships. Xbow looks a bit out of place on Graf's uniform, for that matter.
Italian... unique costumes. In any case nobody wears the bicorne (or a headdress resembling a bicorne) nowadays. Also Aquila and her roman composite bow.
Generally Kancolle carriers feature more esoteric garments and gear compared to other ships.
Edit: Oh and the globus cruciger + scepter combo for Warspite.
German pantless ships. Xbow looks a bit out of place on Graf's uniform, for that matter.
Italian... unique costumes. In any case nobody wears the bicorne (or a headdress resembling a bicorne) nowadays. Also Aquila and her roman composite bow.
Generally Kancolle carriers feature more esoteric garments and gear compared to other ships.
Edit: Oh and the globus cruciger + scepter combo for Warspite.
Most of the outfits you mentioned are those that are still worn in modern times though, and are at least contemporary for the early to late 20th centuries.
The Kariginu is still worn today.
Yasunori Kato is a 20th Century fictional character.
Italian costumes are unique sure, but they're not a century and a half out of date. Also, the Italian BB hats resemble nurses caps more since they don't actually cover the entire head unlike bicornes, and those were also worn in the 20th Century too.
As for the Globus Cruciger and Scepter combo for Warspite, guess which modern figure still has them as convention.... yep, Queen Elizabeth the 2nd during formal ceremonies.
The point is that Kancolle is rather consistent in its use of attire worn during the 20th Century for their girls, hence why we see a lot of sailor uniform-styled clothing. As for the carriers, Kaga and Akagi wouldn't look out of place in a modern kyuudo range. Besides, given that these ships were made in the 20th Century, why then would they be using clothing that's centuries out of date?
The only really esoteric outfits for carriers are those of the Unryuu class, which are so out there that they're difficult to even place. Nonetheless, their standard kimonos aren't relegated to museums, since many Japanese still wear such things today.
Unless you're using the Pacific aesthetic, but that's not really Kancolle is it?
So, Ryuujou will have both boob envy and PTSD in one go in fanworks? Oh boy.
Nothing says terrible as having two of them at once.
On a side note after looking at her service record, she's the mix of Shoukaku and Houshou.Constantly hammered throughout the war,the worst being several kamikaze strikes in 1945,and was turned into a training carrier before spending some time bringing soldiers back home.
Is it just me, or is some of her hair coming out of her funnel?
It's a really fancy hair scrunchie!
LoweGear said:
The point is that Kancolle is rather consistent in its use of attire worn during the 20th Century for their girls, hence why we see a lot of sailor uniform-styled clothing. As for the carriers, Kaga and Akagi wouldn't look out of place in a modern kyuudo range. Besides, given that these ships were made in the 20th Century, why then would they be using clothing that's centuries out of date?
The only really esoteric outfits for carriers are those of the Unryuu class, which are so out there that they're difficult to even place. Nonetheless, their standard kimonos aren't relegated to museums, since many Japanese still wear such things today.
Unless you're using the Pacific aesthetic, but that's not really Kancolle is it?
One thing to note is how the Kamikazes wear the school uniform that was popular during their era, in contrast with the more modern serafuku-wearing girls. IMO it drives home the idea they wear stuff that's contemporary to them.
Most of the outfits you mentioned are those that are still worn in modern times though, and are at least contemporary for the early to late 20th centuries.
Outfits like those worn by Kamikaze and Akagi's are clearly deliberate attempts to hearken back to a bygone era. Yes, technically in the case of Kamikaze, that was "in the 20th century", but that presumes they're caring about centuries of the Gregorian calendar, rather than Japanese eras.
If you want to include people wearing outfits like traditional kyuudou uniforms, miko outfits, and the like as things people "still wear today", even if they are only worn for the purposes of re-enacting the past, then it's not like there aren't people re-enacting Colonial America, either. It's just as valid to say people dressing up as Thomas Jefferson today are wearing "20th century clothing" as people dressing in a way they would only dress explicitly to re-enact past eras.
The underside of her carrier deck looks like a Thompson SMG. :D
Makes sense that is the most I conic gun of the US armed forces next to the M1 Garand I think. Also might have to do with the rapid deployment speed of American CV maybe
NWSiaCB said: Outfits like those worn by Kamikaze and Akagi's are clearly deliberate attempts to hearken back to a bygone era. Yes, technically in the case of Kamikaze, that was "in the 20th century", but that presumes they're caring about centuries of the Gregorian calendar, rather than Japanese eras.
If you want to include people wearing outfits like traditional kyuudou uniforms, miko outfits, and the like as things people "still wear today", even if they are only worn for the purposes of re-enacting the past, then it's not like there aren't people re-enacting Colonial America, either. It's just as valid to say people dressing up as Thomas Jefferson today are wearing "20th century clothing" as people dressing in a way they would only dress explicitly to re-enact past eras.
Kamikaze has the oldest looking outfits of the bunch, but the Meiji-era uniform was still worn in the 20th Century right up to the Taisho era as school uniforms.
The difference between someone wearing a Revolutionary Outfit in the 20th century, and the Japanese is that miko outfits, kyuudou uniforms, and other such stuff that the Japanese wear aren't worn for the purposes of reenactment, but are in fact still used as common outfits in the functions they are worn in even today. I did mention that Akagi and Kaga wouldn't look out of place in a modern Kyuudo dojo, and they wouldn't, because what they're wearing are the outfits still used by modern Kyuudo practictioners.
Basically, the clothing being worn by shipgirls are the ones that you can expect someone to wear in any particular decade the 20th century, either practically or stylistically. Thus, having a shipgirl wear Revolutionary War clothing, which you'd see no one wear in the 20th Century outside of reenactments, would be quite contrary to the established aesthetic of Kancolle in general.
I think the pattern is the big-name battleships get the flamboyant stereotypes. Yamato, Bismarck, Littorio, Iowa, Warspite, etc. and carriers are more subdued.
Kamikaze has the oldest looking outfits of the bunch, but the Meiji-era uniform was still worn in the 20th Century right up to the Taisho era as school uniforms.
The difference between someone wearing a Revolutionary Outfit in the 20th century, and the Japanese is that miko outfits, kyuudou uniforms, and other such stuff that the Japanese wear aren't worn for the purposes of reenactment, but are in fact still used as common outfits in the functions they are worn in even today. I did mention that Akagi and Kaga wouldn't look out of place in a modern Kyuudo dojo, and they wouldn't, because what they're wearing are the outfits still used by modern Kyuudo practictioners.
Basically, the clothing being worn by shipgirls are the ones that you can expect someone to wear in any particular decade the 20th century, either practically or stylistically. Thus, having a shipgirl wear Revolutionary War clothing, which you'd see no one wear in the 20th Century outside of reenactments, would be quite contrary to the established aesthetic of Kancolle in general.
That ignores the point I'm making - you're presuming Western "centuries" mean something to KC, when Japanese people tend to think more in their own eras.
The outfits they wear absolutely are worn as "re-enactments" of a previous era. Simply because it might be slightly less unusual in Japan to see someone wearing a re-enactment outfit (and I absolutely can see people in re-enactment outfits going shopping where I live here in America, thanks to being near a re-enactment tourist location,) doesn't make it any less of a deliberate throwback.
Akagi and the rest aren't wearing Kyuudou outfits because they're "practical", they're doing so because it calls back to a Japanese military tradition... they're re-enacting it, drawing a metaphor between the military spirit of the past and present, which is very much what the IJN did, as well.
Likewise, Kamikaze isn't wearing a Taisho-era outfit because it's "practical", she's wearing it to show she's from a different, bygone era. You know, the sort of thing re-enactors do.
Also, WHAT established aesthetic does KC have?! KC is a game where girls run around wearing nothing but sarashi over their chests or skin-tight bodices on the in some cases, or elaborate kimonos in another, or serafuku, serafuku, and more serafuku of every imaginable variety on yet more. Aesthetics can only possibly be considered consistent within a single artist's work, and some artists are notably happy to go all-out with giant breasts in skin-tight revealing clothes with damage poses that are deliberately suggestive, and others are fairly conservative, with zero change in pose at all from damage. In what possible way does that add up to a coherent aesthetic? If things were going by "continuing the aesthetic", Saratoga might well have shown up in a caveman's fur pelt!
American flag motif everywhere. American flag-themed thighhighs, american flag-themed gloves, bombastic and energetic and loud = ameriacn stereotype...
I mean, she's a nice girl, but I can see why some might dislike her.
You know it just occurred to me... how the hell is that skirt flapping in a breeze with probably something like 70 pounds of drum mags hanging from it?
Searchwanted said:
You hate Iowa's design that much?
Yes, I hated everything about it the moment I saw it and all this time later it hasn't grown on me in the slightest. The fact it was coupled with what was a very stereotypical bimbo persona hardly helped though.
Now that we've our first American CV in the game does anyone have any hopes/dreams/guesses who should be the first American CA? Personally I would like to see USS Houston (CA-30) or maybe one of the Des Moines-sisters.
That ignores the point I'm making - you're presuming Western "centuries" mean something to KC, when Japanese people tend to think more in their own eras.
The outfits they wear absolutely are worn as "re-enactments" of a previous era. Simply because it might be slightly less unusual in Japan to see someone wearing a re-enactment outfit (and I absolutely can see people in re-enactment outfits going shopping where I live here in America, thanks to being near a re-enactment tourist location,) doesn't make it any less of a deliberate throwback.
Akagi and the rest aren't wearing Kyuudou outfits because they're "practical", they're doing so because it calls back to a Japanese military tradition... they're re-enacting it, drawing a metaphor between the military spirit of the past and present, which is very much what the IJN did, as well.
Likewise, Kamikaze isn't wearing a Taisho-era outfit because it's "practical", she's wearing it to show she's from a different, bygone era. You know, the sort of thing re-enactors do.
Also, WHAT established aesthetic does KC have?! KC is a game where girls run around wearing nothing but sarashi over their chests or skin-tight bodices on the in some cases, or elaborate kimonos in another, or serafuku, serafuku, and more serafuku of every imaginable variety on yet more. Aesthetics can only possibly be considered consistent within a single artist's work, and some artists are notably happy to go all-out with giant breasts in skin-tight revealing clothes with damage poses that are deliberately suggestive, and others are fairly conservative, with zero change in pose at all from damage. In what possible way does that add up to a coherent aesthetic? If things were going by "continuing the aesthetic", Saratoga might well have shown up in a caveman's fur pelt!
I think there's a point I'm making that you're missing, and I'm going to use Kamikaze for it: The Meiji-era uniform she's wearing is something that's *period appropriate* for the era that she served in: in the Taisho era, which is still distinctly in the 20th Century. As for Akagi and Kaga, while they are harkening back certain Japanese military traditions yes, it's still a fact that the kind of outfits they're wearing are in fact still contemporary and in use to this day, and not something long forgotten a couple of centuries past.
The girls of Kancolle call back to military traditions of the past yes... but only up to a point. They're 20th Century ships made of steel and propelled by oil and steam... so why should they suddenly be represented by outfits left behind in the 18th Century? And in fact Kancolle does have an established general aesthetic, one which I've already pointed out lots of times: namely, that the outfits ALL of them use and have are all things that are *contemporary to the 20th Century*, not those contemporary to the 18th Century where the Revolutionary War takes place... or if you want to use the Japanese schemes of eras, then everything that every girl is wearing are those that were worn from the Taisho era, to the Showa, and finally into the Heisei era - not the Edo era, or eras before that. Even the most outlandish of the outfits the shipgirls have, such as Iowa's pinup-like clothing or Shimakaze, or the more classical looking outfits like Kamikaze's and Warspite's, still decidedly have roots in contemporary outfits that people in the Taisho era and beyond wore in various decades within it.
This is before her refit. She still has her original 8 inch twin turrets and her deck and her bow hasn't been widened to handle more aircraft and more AA guns. Because even with her problems as being originally a battlecruiser, she was the largest carrier in the world until Shinano and after she was sunk, Midway.
And while she was a training carrier in 1944, she was paired with Enterprise in 1945 as a Night Carrier, so she should eventually be able to Night Battle with Sendai.
She'll also get rid of those round red dots in her roundels. Americans shoot at those early in the war...Red circle means Japanese....shoot it. So it was removed.
You know it just occurred to me... how the hell is that skirt flapping in a breeze with probably something like 70 pounds of drum mags hanging from it?
Yes, I hated everything about it the moment I saw it and all this time later it hasn't grown on me in the slightest. The fact it was coupled with what was a very stereotypical bimbo persona hardly helped though.
You know it just occurred to me... how the hell is that skirt flapping in a breeze with probably something like 70 pounds of drum mags hanging from it?
My least favorite part of the design for sure. It doesn't make any damn sense for 250 rounds of 230gr 45ACP to be flapping around in the inside of a skirt like that, even for the sake of a garter shot... it also just plain doesn't look good.
You know it just occurred to me... how the hell is that skirt flapping in a breeze with probably something like 70 pounds of drum mags hanging from it?
Yes, I hated everything about it the moment I saw it and all this time later it hasn't grown on me in the slightest. The fact it was coupled with what was a very stereotypical bimbo persona hardly helped though.
What a splendid design! Can't wait to see what her personality and voice are like. I'm starting to wonder if all Ameri-kanmusu will be super bouncy.
Was hoping for a lever action rifle myself.
I think the 1903 Springfield with the flight deck on top would look much better. I even drew up the designs for that idea. Don't know how to submit ideas to them though :( But I will agree, the tommy gun looks great.
Lots of things that ultimately end poorly can have all sorts of justification for WHY choices were made along the way, that doesn't change the end product being poor. Iowa already had a headwind for me because the Pacific version was really good IMO, and she lived down to every bad expectation I had failing to even reach the level needed to rise above even "mild and continuing disdain" for me. In my head I'll keep the Pacific version, you can have the bimbo if you like.
Lots of things that ultimately end poorly can have all sorts of justification for WHY choices were made along the way, that doesn't change the end product being poor. Iowa already had a headwind for me because the Pacific version was really good IMO, and she lived down to every bad expectation I had failing to even reach the level needed to rise above even "mild and continuing disdain" for me. In my head I'll keep the Pacific version, you can have the bimbo if you like.
The Paficic version was complete trash and the whole reasoning for why a New York City born girl should dress up like a south bella dress (which by the way doesn't fit either even if you base it on the state name alone since Iowa is not in the south) was just as bad. At least Yoshinori's actually makes sense since it was based on a pin up girl image from the time, not to mention the rigging actually looks good and isn't half assed.
Lots of things that ultimately end poorly can have all sorts of justification for WHY choices were made along the way, that doesn't change the end product being poor.
May I ask exactly who made your the authority to judge what's good and what's poor? Did you design it? Did you commission it to Kadokawa? Do you casually hold all the truth on the world or are you simply an entitled customer who probably has yet to buy more slots?
Maybe you should also question the absurdity of launching planes with a gun... or floating with so few buoyancy surface standing on high heels while you're at it. Why can't "magic" work on a heavy dress?
Lots of things that ultimately end poorly can have all sorts of justification for WHY choices were made along the way, that doesn't change the end product being poor. Iowa already had a headwind for me because the Pacific version was really good IMO, and she lived down to every bad expectation I had failing to even reach the level needed to rise above even "mild and continuing disdain" for me. In my head I'll keep the Pacific version, you can have the bimbo if you like.
Somehow... I knew that Saratoga was going to be stacked.
A) Converted Battlecruiser, like Akagi
B) Breast size tends to be inversely proportional to real-world combat ability in the carrier girls.
Midway 4: Quite well stacked Shoukaku/Zuikaku: Miss unlucky is quite stacked, Miss lucky is almost flat as a board Shouhou/Zuihou: Busty = first carrier lost, Flat = the final sacrifice Taihou: Such armor, much flat, very wow Unryuu/Amagi/Katsuragi: "Destroyer engines" = Last surviving Fleet CV, "Heavy Cruiser Engines" = Bye-Bye Hiyou/Jun'you/Chitose/Chiyoda: "What did they do again?" Ryuuhou: "No really... she really is a frontline CV, honest!" RJ: "Ain't mah silhouette distinctive?" :D
Somehow... I knew that Saratoga was going to be stacked.
A) Converted Battlecruiser, like Akagi
B) Breast size tends to be inversely proportional to real-world combat ability in the carrier girls.
Midway 4: Quite well stacked Shoukaku/Zuikaku: Miss unlucky is quite stacked, Miss lucky is almost flat as a board Shouhou/Zuihou: Busty = first carrier lost, Flat = the final sacrifice Taihou: Such armor, much flat, very wow Unryuu/Amagi/Katsuragi: "Destroyer engines" = Last surviving Fleet CV, "Heavy Cruiser Engines" = Bye-Bye Hiyou/Jun'you/Chitose/Chiyoda: "What did they do again?" Ryuuhou: "No really... she really is a frontline CV, honest!" RJ: "Ain't mah silhouette distinctive?" :D
stacked... but too stacked.
Her name is basically mean Hill beside the Mountain...
Kamikaze has the oldest looking outfits of the bunch, but the Meiji-era uniform was still worn in the 20th Century right up to the Taisho era as school uniforms.
The difference between someone wearing a Revolutionary Outfit in the 20th century, and the Japanese is that miko outfits, kyuudou uniforms, and other such stuff that the Japanese wear aren't worn for the purposes of reenactment, but are in fact still used as common outfits in the functions they are worn in even today. I did mention that Akagi and Kaga wouldn't look out of place in a modern Kyuudo dojo, and they wouldn't, because what they're wearing are the outfits still used by modern Kyuudo practictioners.
Basically, the clothing being worn by shipgirls are the ones that you can expect someone to wear in any particular decade the 20th century, either practically or stylistically. Thus, having a shipgirl wear Revolutionary War clothing, which you'd see no one wear in the 20th Century outside of reenactments, would be quite contrary to the established aesthetic of Kancolle in general.
LoweGear said:
The Kariginu is still worn today.
The kariginu is Heian-era court wear (originally adapted from a hunting jacket). Nobody wears that nowadays, except by chief priests in select few ceremonies (they don't even wear them normally), in which case they are almost always white or some other muted color (muted turquoise, for example).
Red kariginu? Screams Heian noble to me.
LoweGear said:
Italian costumes are unique sure, but they're not a century and a half out of date. Also, the Italian BB hats resemble nurses caps more since they don't actually cover the entire head unlike bicornes, and those were also worn in the 20th Century too.
Don't look like nurse caps to me, and they wouldn't fit with the ship's history anyway. In any case Aquila's Roman-era composite bow is still anachronistic.
Pantless German girls are also anachronistic. Fine, you may argue that it's just Fumikane's fetish, but the Count's xbow is still out of place with her uniform.
LoweGear said:
As for the Globus Cruciger and Scepter combo for Warspite, guess which modern figure still has them as convention.... yep, Queen Elizabeth the 2nd during formal ceremonies.
Guess which modern people still have colonial-era uniforms as convention... yep, the Old Guard Fife and Drum Corps during formal ceremonies. For that matter, the Guardia Civil and the Chelsea Pensioners too.
If Warspite gets to emulate Queen Elizabeth's style of dress because of her ship class, then it is equally justified for Saratoga to wear colonial-era garb because she's named after one of the most important victories in the Revolutionary War.
LoweGear said:
The point is that Kancolle is rather consistent in its use of attire worn during the 20th Century for their girls, hence why we see a lot of sailor uniform-styled clothing.
Not for 'foreign' ships, no.
In any case, to get the colonial-era look, all you need are three elements. Breeches, waistcoat and coat. Guess which modern sport wears them regularly? Equestrian sports, dressage in particular.
Tack on a musket while you're at it. Modern muskets are still produced nowadays for black powder shooting/hunting. Tricorne hats? Not a problem, people still wear them for ceremonial purposes (remember, RJ's kariginu and the other ommyou ships' decoratios only justification in the modern era are also ceremonial), and American sport fans sometimes wear them too (US soccer fans, fans of any baseball or gridiron football team with 'patriotic' names like the New England Patriot). Heck, Princess Diana's famous hat was also technically a tricorne.
Heck, you don't even need the full breeches + waistcoat + coat combination. Any tight-fitting trousers can sub-in for the breeches, like brown jeans or something, and dress shirts can be used in place of waistcoat. Like Fallout 4's minutemen uniform, for example. The tricorne hat can also be replaced with a folded or peaked cowboy hat too.
But I digress. I'm okay with Shizuma Yoshinori's design, really. I'm thankful it's now a bow, unlike Pacific's designs. Looks like a period-appropriate Hollywood actress, even. I'm also okay with RJ's design and even the pantless German ships — I was just using them as counterexamples.
I just felt obliged to defend my own aesthetic preferences after you outright dismissed it as "completely out of place", that's all.
Cool_Space_Trooper said:
I was hoping for that too. Might still happen with the Yorktown class, hopefully.
Not sure about Enterprise though. She isn't directly named after a revolutionary-war battle, and they might go for semi-futuristic look in reference to NCC-1701 instead (the saucer dish can also be used to reference the Wo-class).
Hornet's name might give her some sort of insect motif instead.
Then again Warspite has that QE motif with her just because she's a QE-class, so it might still happen.
In any case, Yorktown herself would be quite appropriate, naturally.
Edit: Mistook Graf's pistol/carbine for a hand xbow. She doesn't have an explicit launching mechanism.
Somehow... I knew that Saratoga was going to be stacked.
A) Converted Battlecruiser, like Akagi
B) Breast size tends to be inversely proportional to real-world combat ability in the carrier girls.
Midway 4: Quite well stacked Shoukaku/Zuikaku: Miss unlucky is quite stacked, Miss lucky is almost flat as a board Shouhou/Zuihou: Busty = first carrier lost, Flat = the final sacrifice Taihou: Such armor, much flat, very wow Unryuu/Amagi/Katsuragi: "Destroyer engines" = Last surviving Fleet CV, "Heavy Cruiser Engines" = Bye-Bye Hiyou/Jun'you/Chitose/Chiyoda: "What did they do again?" Ryuuhou: "No really... she really is a frontline CV, honest!" RJ: "Ain't mah silhouette distinctive?" :D
Lexington class No. 2 drawn by Shizuma. That's enough reason for being stacked.
Lol did someone downvote hide my comments because I'm comparing sara and iowa outfit? Isn't it truth that iowa design made mostly for fapmat purpose? Sara offer some elegant point than usual lewd stuff
liquidfreedom88 said: Isn't it truth that iowa design made mostly for fapmat purpose?
Energetic, out-going, and confident. Even displaying her bust is part of that. With one exception, all of the official arts have Iowa smiling, and in the one where she isn't, she has Yamato tutoring her on some matter.
Iowa's design and personality are fine. They're even quite good aside from her broken English.
The main problem is that a big part of the fandom doesn't give her a positive portrayal.
I think there's a point I'm making that you're missing, and I'm going to use Kamikaze for it: The Meiji-era uniform she's wearing is something that's *period appropriate* for the era that she served in: in the Taisho era, which is still distinctly in the 20th Century. As for Akagi and Kaga, while they are harkening back certain Japanese military traditions yes, it's still a fact that the kind of outfits they're wearing are in fact still contemporary and in use to this day, and not something long forgotten a couple of centuries past.
The girls of Kancolle call back to military traditions of the past yes... but only up to a point. They're 20th Century ships made of steel and propelled by oil and steam... so why should they suddenly be represented by outfits left behind in the 18th Century? And in fact Kancolle does have an established general aesthetic, one which I've already pointed out lots of times: namely, that the outfits ALL of them use and have are all things that are *contemporary to the 20th Century*, not those contemporary to the 18th Century where the Revolutionary War takes place... or if you want to use the Japanese schemes of eras, then everything that every girl is wearing are those that were worn from the Taisho era, to the Showa, and finally into the Heisei era - not the Edo era, or eras before that. Even the most outlandish of the outfits the shipgirls have, such as Iowa's pinup-like clothing or Shimakaze, or the more classical looking outfits like Kamikaze's and Warspite's, still decidedly have roots in contemporary outfits that people in the Taisho era and beyond wore in various decades within it.
Moving the goalposts, I see. Even if we ignore the continuing baseless insistence that "20th century" means anything at all, then your "period appropriate" comment falls flat on its face if you examine nearly any other shipgirl's design. How is a post-WW2 school uniform appropriate during WW2? How many actual naval officers went to war in those "practical" kyuudou outfits? For that matter, pray tell when Nagato's, Musashi's, Akitsushima's, or Unryuu's outfits, to name a few, EVER were "period appropriate" for anything but a cosplay convention? If we're counting cosplay, your "WESTERN re-enactors don't count" limitation makes even less sense.
Oh, for that matter, even when there WAS a theme going on, Kantai Collection went out of its way to destroy it. Kyuudou for CVs and shikigami for CVLs? Not when Unryuu is using shikigami, and Shouhou is using a bow! It doesn't even make sense for the culture that made a given ship - Taihou is dressed and equipped with a Chinese theme for no good reason, but the one ship from a culture known for their crossbows gets a bow, instead.
Look, try all you might, there's no unified theme behind the shipgirl designs because there is no one person responsible for coordinating them.
Your pulled-from-nowhere "20th century" criteria, that can only exist because you arbitrarily declare everything from before then the Japanese characters that make up 95% of the cast wear (even when wearing Chinese-themed clothes and equipment) somehow don't count makes even less sense as an arbitrary cutoff than the likes of a kyuudou-for-Japanese-fleet-carriers theme they've already broken.
And in what way is Taihou's uniform chinese-themed?
Also I find it weird you ask how many naval officers went to war in those outfits, because literally no shipgirl follows a military dress code, aside from Akitsu Maru. The argument here is that the girls wear stuff that you could see someone walking around without being (completely) out of place. The Kamikazes wear something that's deliberately old-fashioned, but only slightly so, and it serves as an interesting callback to the changing fashions of their era.
Rewinding all the way back to the original argument, a revolutionary war outfit doesn't fit because it's too old-fashioned compared to what is already there, even the more traditional stuff like RJ's outfit, and brings nothing to the table in terms of highlighting the shipgirl's individual characteristics.
Energetic, out-going, and confident. Even displaying her bust is part of that. With one exception, all of the official arts have Iowa smiling, and in the one where she isn't, she has Yamato tutoring her on some matter.
Iowa's design and personality are fine. They're even quite good aside from her broken English.
The main problem is that a big part of the fandom doesn't give her a positive portrayal.
I think that due, to the fact that she is the ultimate Murica stereotype. So for humor sake, she is portrayed that way.
( Watch this, get down vote for answering that question, because of me giving my 2 cents on the subject )
And Kancolle shipgirls wear modern serafuku, not the older ones with knee-length skirts. Otherwise they all would look like sukeban.
And that's not counting the ones wearing blazer fuku instead, like Suzuya. Or randoseru + elementary school suspender-style uniforms like the Asashio class (and RJ's clothes under her kariginu, for that matter).
KyteM said:
And in what way is Taihou's uniform chinese-themed?
NWSiaCB must be referring to her repeating crossbow, which looks suspiciously like a chukonu/zhugenyu. Don't think it's intentional, but it's hard to design wooden repeating crossbows (with a box magazine on the top) that don't look Chinese.
KyteM said:
Also I find it weird you ask how many naval officers went to war in those outfits, because literally no shipgirl follows a military dress code, aside from Akitsu Maru. The argument here is that the girls wear stuff that you could see someone walking around without being (completely) out of place. The Kamikazes wear something that's deliberately old-fashioned, but only slightly so, and it serves as an interesting callback to the changing fashions of their era.
Foreign shipgirls nearly all look out of place if they're walking around in public, 20th century or 21st. Heck, all centuries, even. Of course, this is more of an issue of a lack of cultural familiarity in the character designs, but still.
In any case, the Taimanin-class Nagato-class, Musashi, Akitsushima, and Unryuu-class uniforms also look completely out-of-place in any place in real life that isn't a cosplay convention, as pointed out by NWSiaCB.
KyteM said:
Rewinding all the way back to the original argument, a revolutionary war outfit doesn't fit because it's too old-fashioned compared to what is already there, even the more traditional stuff like RJ's outfit, and brings nothing to the table in terms of highlighting the shipgirl's individual characteristics.
RJ's kariginu is far more archaic and anachronistic when compared to a breeches + waistcoat + coat combination (even when the onmyouji factor is considered). Taihou's repeating crossbow and Aquila's roman composite bow too, for that matter. As for highlighting the shipgirls' individual characteristics? Why, Lexington, Saratoga, Yorktown, Concord, Ticonderoga, et al. were all named after famous battles in the Revolutionary War.
Again, well, I would like to reiterate that I'm okay with Shizuma Yoshinori's design for Saratoga, and I'm grateful she has a gun (or a gun-like object) instead of something out-of-place like a bow. I would like it even more if she has a revolutionary era motif to highlight her name, but hey, I'm already happy that Sister Sara is in the game in the first place anyway. I'm also okay with most of the other shipgirls' designs — I'm just pointing them out as counterexamples to defend my personal aesthetic preferences when they are dismissed outright by other people.
So Lex and Sara have similar backgrounds to Akagi and Kaga? Converted BBs?
Like Akagi, they're converted battlecruisers. Kaga is a converted battleship. Her shorter, wider hull made the conversion more complicated. Which is why Kaga was the IJN's slowest fleet carrier with a top speed of only 28 knots.
Not just any launcher, a true blue Tommy Gun, with drum magazine reloads no less.
Mind you, the armed forces didn't use the drum magazines, because they were hard to swap and not very reliable, two things you really don't want your magazine to be in the field; nor did the military-issue version of the Thompson have that vertical front grip. But hey! Details. The Navy didn't use them anyway. :)
Or left-handed anything, really. I've seen folk etymologies that relate it to baseball pitchers (because, supposedly, 19th-century ballparks were traditionally laid out so that the pitcher faced west), but the evidence is weak and the whole thing has a pretty strong apocryphal flavor.
Would like an American destroyer, Johnston or Samuel B. Roberts, one more carrier, Enterprise, one more battleship, North Carolina or Missouri, and one sub, Flying Fish.
Would like an American destroyer, Johnston or Samuel B. Roberts, one more carrier, Enterprise, one more battleship, North Carolina or Missouri, and one sub, Flying Fish.
I agree with the destroyer. For the record, Roberts was a Destroyer Escort. A bit smaller then a regular destroyer. Carrier 100% agreed. I want to see the Enterprise and how she is to be viewed. Battleships I also like the idea of N.Carolina being that she fought with the Big E. The Missouri is also a nice bit. I would through a third ship in there too. It would be the Arizonan. I don't agree with the Flying Fish. Don't know why you picked that one. I would go with Albacore, Cavalla or Archerfish.
I agree with the destroyer. For the record, Roberts was a Destroyer Escort. A bit smaller then a regular destroyer. Carrier 100% agreed. I want to see the Enterprise and how she is to be viewed. Battleships I also like the idea of N.Carolina being that she fought with the Big E. The Missouri is also a nice bit. I would through a third ship in there too. It would be the Arizonan. I don't agree with the Flying Fish. Don't know why you picked that one. I would go with Albacore, Cavalla or Archerfish.
Hmm... what 'bout submarines USS Barb and/or USS Thresher? ^ ^
Let's just say that even without the whole almost torpedoed Iowa business Porter's time on Atlantic was filled with mishap. But then again given that she managed to sunk without taking any of her crew with her I wouldn't call Porter the unluckies American boat of WW2.
The reason I picked those three was because they sunk the Taihou, Shoukaku and Shinano.
Ah, yes... The fleet girl that they conceptualized more than 3 years ago, but have yet to implement... Even with the makers of the chinese ripoff introducing her there...
Eboreg said: Hiyou/Jun'you/Chitose/Chiyoda: "What did they do again?"
Be responsible for helping sink a full sized fleet Carrier in a pitched battle at the height of the most critical campaign of the entire war in Jun'yo's case. A fact arguably placing her in the most effective carriers of the war with the Cranes and to a lesser extent Hiryu. Junyo is treated like a joke at times due to her persona in game, but her actual war record is superior to the majority of Japans actual fleet carriers.
Now that we've our first American CV in the game does anyone have any hopes/dreams/guesses who should be the first American CA? Personally I would like to see USS Houston (CA-30) or maybe one of the Des Moines-sisters.
WeebWolf said:
Would like an American destroyer, Johnston or Samuel B. Roberts, one more carrier, Enterprise, one more battleship, North Carolina or Missouri, and one sub, Flying Fish.
