There are multiple sides to almost everything, and everyone. Never assume you know someone else's story.

Damn. I really want to see a continuation of this piece.

Would you:
A.Bring her to trial?
B.Nothing.
C.Take revenge (I'm assuming the person was hunting her down).

Reminds me of Apt Pupil.

Dreadnought said:

Damn. I really want to see a continuation of this piece.

Would you:
A.Bring her to trial?
B.Nothing.
C.Take revenge (I'm assuming the person was hunting her down).

"Out the front or the back, either way your life here is over."

Dreadnought said:

Damn. I really want to see a continuation of this piece.

Would you:
A.Bring her to trial?
B.Nothing.
C.Take revenge (I'm assuming the person was hunting her down).

By the commentary, A is the actual answer.

Damn, this image puts me in a moral dilemma. I always think about the hunting of war criminals a mix of real justice and propaganda, even more when they're about commanders or military personnel: I believe a lot of them just follows orders and must obey, or they are going to face either prison or death.

My option would be investigate her more. Know about her post-war live, her living style and her teacher records. But what I would know about war criminals.

Pronak said:

By the commentary, A is the actual answer.

Damn, this image puts me in a moral dilemma. I always think about the hunting of war criminals a mix of real justice and propaganda, even more when they're about commanders or military personnel: I believe a lot of them just follows orders and must obey, or they are going to face either prison or death.

My option would be investigate her more. Know about her post-war live, her living style and her teacher records. But what I would know about war criminals.

Please, think of the children!

...And how delicious it would be to cuff her and take her away to a firing squad! Better yet, just do it right in front of them!

Though at least it aint a prelude to the viewer popping her right in front of the children amidst the moral dilemma.

Did she really reformed and/or is atoning for her past (thus why she is looking after those children)? Or is she still the monster she was during the war and just thought she could pull of a Karma Houdini by pretending to be a good citizen and hiding as a kindergarten teacher, using those children as a shield?

That little girl hugging her from behind seems to love her so much though...

Pronak said:

By the commentary, A is the actual answer.

Damn, this image puts me in a moral dilemma. I always think about the hunting of war criminals a mix of real justice and propaganda, even more when they're about commanders or military personnel: I believe a lot of them just follows orders and must obey, or they are going to face either prison or death.

My option would be investigate her more. Know about her post-war live, her living style and her teacher records. But what I would know about war criminals.

Unfortunately in the customary international humanitarian laws, combatants of war are required to disobey a manifestly unlawful order, especially when they knew or should have known the order was unlawful. "Just following orders" never worked in Nuremberg, never worked for the Japanese.

And remember that evil in reality is just ordinary people with monstrous ideas. Virtually anyone can hug children while also mercilessly torture prisoners of war or participate in ethnic cleansing. And especially for commanders they always have more power to defy or at least defect in the face of such orders. Being right isn't always easy, but consider Hugh Thompson Jr's story who helped stopping My Lai Massacre.

Why are we assuming she's a war criminal? It's entirely possible she was hanging deserters in that picture.

Steak said:

Please, think of the children!

...And how delicious it would be to cuff her and take her away to a firing squad! Better yet, just do it right in front of them!

Congratulations, now you have a group of kids who will do the same to you when they get older.~

There’s nothing wrong with executing enemies of the state...

If the state won the war

I think this might be Romanian, and knowing what happened to Communists after the fall of the Romanian communist party, I think I can guess what's going to happen next.

jackie_v138 said:

There’s nothing wrong with executing enemies of the state...

If the state won the war

Yes, in the end there is no "good" or "evil", and even what is "right" or "wrong" is decided by those with power.
War Criminal and War Heroes tend to have done the same things, the difference is what side they were on when it's all over...

And then the avengers cut her throat in her sleep for the things she did.

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Spy86 said:

consider Hugh Thompson Jr's story who helped stopping My Lai Massacre.

Consider him indeed.

Thompson was a warrant officer, a pilot and had the support of 2 hueys. While he was entirely in the right not everyone afterwards saw it that way and ensured that he suffered for it.
Compare that to C company who actually committed the massacre. Aside from 1 lieutenant, they all got off with little more than a slap on the wrist (although those few officers that held some of the most direct responsibility were KIA before the investigation).

Better yet, Cpt Ernest Medina who PLANNED, ORDERED, AND SUPERVISED the whole operation in Mai Lai was aqcuitted. Just. Like. That.

BETTER YET STILL. Despite that, the notion of command responsibility is named after him. It's one of the world's most broken aesops, and one of it's sickest jokes.

So yeah, makes you think doesn't it? Soldiering's a deeply cynical business. As a grunt, following orders definitely seems to be the safer option, not in the least because not doing so is liable to get you fragged then and there.
As a civ, it's safer to assume that because of this, the guy in the uniform is never your friend no matter what they say or do.

FloppyCat said:

Congratulations, now you have a group of kids who will do the same to you when they get older.~

This makes me sad honestly. Yes I understand that the person holding the picture does have a strong resentment towards that woman due to her heinous past actions, but someone has to break that cycle of violence or history will just end up repeating itself.

SFF9 said:

This makes me sad honestly. Yes I understand that the person holding the picture does have a strong resentment towards that woman due to her heinous past actions, but someone has to break that cycle of violence or history will just end up repeating itself.

How do we know that the person who found her is looking for revenge? Surely arresting someone to bring them before a court isn't furthering the "cycle of violence"?

DrYoda said:

How do we know that the person who found her is looking for revenge? Surely arresting someone to bring them before a court isn't furthering the "cycle of violence"?

The commentary of the one who found her sounds less than peaceful

Dreadnought said:

Damn. I really want to see a continuation of this piece.

Would you:
A.Bring her to trial?
B.Nothing.
C.Take revenge (I'm assuming the person was hunting her down).

To be honest, she may be already served her sentence. Most war criminals got put in prison for about 10 years, many of them served much less than that.

Lets flip the script here. What if this is from the POV of a time traveler who just changed her past so she never became a war criminal?

Necrobane said:

Lets flip the script here. What if this is from the POV of a time traveler who just changed her past so she never became a war criminal?

Then we would need to find confirm:

A)are we dealing with multi-verse theory in which case she is a different person and possibly innocent

B) are we going with the save the children so she does not go full revenge mode in the future

C) are shoot Hitler outside of the art school

D) We are not sure we stopped counting loops

LucidDream said:

Why are we assuming she's a war criminal? It's entirely possible she was hanging deserters in that picture.

You have the right idea. There is absolutely no evidence at all that a crime has been committed here.

First of all, this could be an execution conducted by a civilian court during peacetime. Japan, notably, uses hanging for its death penalty, and some countries have military units (gendarmerie) that perform civilian police duties if you're wondering about the rank and uniform.

Secondly, the Geneva Convention does allow for executions under certain circumstances as long as the accused is given a fair trial beforehand. Even civilians can be executed for espionage, 'serious' acts of sabotage against military installations, and murder. So this could be a picture of something that is 100% legal under international law.

Why should there be anything wrong with that in the first place? People kill during war, it happens. Until you can stop wars themselves from happening (spoiler: you won't) then it's just hypocritical to complain about how or why exactly people were killed in a war. If not exactly condoning torture of innocent civilians, it should be considered pretty reasonable to execute prisoners or deserters. There are no "non-combatants" until there are no living members of the enemy force.

What's with this comment thread? The woman posed for a picture in front of people she hanged. There's not much actual ambiguity here. Why are so many people trying to defend her?

Kaktus_Lata said:
What's with this comment thread? The woman posed for a picture in front of people she hanged. There's not much actual ambiguity here. Why are so many people trying to defend her?

Easy enough to flip around: why raise assault against her?
You don't know she hung them, or ordered them hung. That's context you're inserting into the picture (in the picture), unquestioningly accepting the vindictiveness of the photo's holder as valid.

Reminder that according to the Artist's comments under the original tweet of this pic, the person holding this photo beat her to a bloody pulp, and in her last moments while looking at the stars and the light in her eyes was fading away, she thought to herself how happy she was that at the very least, for a moment, she had a dream again.

Meanwhile, the kids patiently wait for their teacher to return.

https://twitter.com/naporitan1946/status/1106948708552171521

banadr said:
(...)

So it wasn't justice, but revenge.

FJH said:

Easy enough to flip around: why raise assault against her?
You don't know she hung them, or ordered them hung. That's context you're inserting into the picture (in the picture), unquestioningly accepting the vindictiveness of the photo's holder as valid.

People are ignoring all actual implications from the naive idea that a woman who looks cute and is currently being nice to a kid couldn't have done anything horrible.

Pronak said:

So it wasn't justice, but revenge.

Especially if the person holding the photo lost a lot of his/her friends or relatives during wartime and the woman is responsible for their deaths. You can't blame them.

Some may think otherwise, but this stuff pretty much happened in real life you know.

Kaktus_Lata said:

People are ignoring all actual implications from the naive idea that a woman who looks cute and is currently being nice to a kid couldn't have done anything horrible.

You know, I've actually been waiting for someone to mention this. I've been looking at this picture for a while now, and in a way, I was expecting someone to say something like this. I had a feeling that I wasn't the only one who felt this way, that the idea that seeing the character as a female would somehow spark a bit more sentiments compared to say, a man. However, at the same time, I also kinda want to speak about this a bit with something I find to be related and interesting.

For many who have played Skyrim, do you remember the whole Paarthurnax dilemma? It's not really a spoiler(maybe just a bit), but for many of you who might not know or might have not played Skyrim, Paarthurnax is the brother of Aldurin, the big bad boss dragon in the game. What happen ingame is that as you progress through the story it eventually turns out that as you train yourself in the "way of the voice", it was all infact taught to you by him. He was the one who established the whole Greybeard brotherhood and was one of the few dragons who turned out to have gifted men the usage of the Shouts, aiding them in the fight against Aldurin during his tyrannical rule long ago.

As you continue through the story and as he helps you, it turns out that Paarthurnax is not as benevolent as he might appear. Infact, he was actually just as terrible as Aldurin himself and caused enough atrocity against mankind that can makes even the worst human war criminal shudder (especially since he's pretty much immortal so he's commited those same crimes for centuries, millenniums even.). Basically, he's like Hitler, Stalin, and Polpot all rolled into one x100, but having actually took active part in the slaughter and even possibly enjoyed it during that time (Paarthurnax was one of the main leaders/lieutenant during Aldurin's rule). But despite all that, he eventually realize the horror he has wrought along with his kind (although, like many, many years later) and even decided that he wanted to atone. But here's the other kicking, in Skyrim it has been stated that all dragon are naturally evil. That its in their nature to cause destruction, but Paarthunax was able to temper himself although at great effort by isolating himself at the highest mountain and remaining to the teaching of the way of the voice cause he knows about Aldurin eventual return.

What does this have to do with the picture? Well, you see what happen is that along the way in the main story quest, another quest pops up that is about just as important. While its not the main "main" quest, it's alongside it. Basically a group known as the Blades, who are loyal servants to the Dragonborn since long ago, comes to you. They were the one who explain to you all the atrocity that Paarthurnax has done and the quest comes up somewhere in the middle, maybe even before you actually get to meet Paarthurnax. The Blades then give you a bunch of information but then kinda leaves you alone for a bit, until you finish the story(I think, something like that) but at the same time so does Paarthunax after he teaches you everything. But somewhere after the end of the game, you then have to make a choice although actually its not even a choice cause its more of a "forced" quest with the Blades where they ask you, after you take down Auldurin, to kill Paarthurnax as well on the account that his crimes are way to severe to let be. But here's the thing, Paathurnax at this point isn't even a threat (he's still a Legendary dragon or something tho) and that despite what the Blades telling you to punish him, Paarthurnax already knows and has been punishing himself for all those years by self isolation in the mountain. Him holding back his nature as a evil monster is actually torture to him, yet he still does it and is continuing to do it cause he knows and understand that he deserve it. Even when you accept the quest and go to him, he talks to you knowing about what you hope to do and doesn't really hold it against you and it ultimately comes down to the choice of do you bring him to justice by killing him(a simple task since you should be like, a literal walking god at that point), despite after everything he has done to help you (infact it was thanks to him that Aldurin was even defeated) and how he has been desperately trying to atone and still is, as well as he is the only other Dragon left that could control the other Dragons that now is scattered throughout Skyrim or do you let him live despite all the terrible thing he's done AS WELL as knowing the nature of him being a Dragon means that he COULD eventually revert, that in the end it is a struggle for him to stay "good"? This also comes down to do you do your duty as the Dragonborn, who is (supposedly) the ultimate justice in Skyrim or will you turn a blind eye and let everyone who looks up to you down (the Blades will not accept you until you kill him, the entire quest basically becomes a halt and a stain on your list, something of a torture to those with OCD and 100% completionness.)

In Skyrim, that was actually one of my favorite part of the story. Myself, I couldn't really bring myself to kill him cause it just seemed a bit too cruel (that and the Blades were kinda assholes). However, when I look at this picture, even without context, I can't really help but think that this woman should be taken to justice as cruel as it might sound, although it wavers a bit whenever I think about the whole Paarthunax thing. It's not because she's a woman, or man or anything. In part, if she did atone, I still feel that she should be brought but it becomes a bit hypocritical since why am I feeling that she should pay when, although her crimes seems to pretty terrible, I'm letting a literary monster dragon live on the account that he "atoned", as well with the fact that he could turn evil at anytime knowing what he is (he even admits it when you talk to him)? While the story lay out information, its both he says, she says still cause you never really see any evidence of Paarthurnax being a complete bastard although it not all complete lies.

There is also a quote from Paarthunax that I really liked; "What is better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?".

It kinda deep, when you apply it to human nature as well. It's really interesting.

Keo said:

stuff

That is one angle btw. It really depends on who.

suddenly someone start a debate over an old post

banadr said:

Reminder that according to the Artist's comments under the original tweet of this pic, the person holding this photo beat her to a bloody pulp, and in her last moments while looking at the stars and the light in her eyes was fading away, she thought to herself how happy she was that at the very least, for a moment, she had a dream again.

Meanwhile, the kids patiently wait for their teacher to return.

https://twitter.com/naporitan1946/status/1106948708552171521

Well....there goes my heart.

Anybody got anybody got any glue to help me fix it?

Here’s the worst idea possible: murder all the children. Right in front of her. And tell her she wouldn’t care, regardless of whether or not it’s a lie. If it turned out to be a lie, oh no, anyways…
and i just wanted to find war criminal pekora pics

If it were up to me, I'd let her go. Not because I think she's reformed, but because I guarantee you, that whatever war she fought in, whoever she killed, whatever she did, was 110% justified.

banadr said:

Reminder that according to the Artist's comments under the original tweet of this pic, the person holding this photo beat her to a bloody pulp, and in her last moments while looking at the stars and the light in her eyes was fading away, she thought to herself how happy she was that at the very least, for a moment, she had a dream again.

Meanwhile, the kids patiently wait for their teacher to return.

https://twitter.com/naporitan1946/status/1106948708552171521

I looked at the whole thread, and he appears to be RPing with some other people. I don't think there's a proper canon ending to this image, at least until another one is drawn.

wow this is a hard pic to find, but i really didn't expect is this long and critical thinking thread

For me, it's okay if the girl wants to start from scratch.
Her image looks pretty and interesting and all her debates about it are pure and useless rubbish. They are specialists in judging the actions of others while being cowardly to take the first step in anything that requires courage.

Some people assume that just because she's not being cruel at this very moment, she either couldn't be a war criminal or must want to turn over a new leaf. It's a mistake to assume that people capable of great cruelty are constantly indulging in it.

Durpala said:

For me, it's okay if the girl wants to start from scratch.
Her image looks pretty and interesting and all her debates about it are pure and useless rubbish. They are specialists in judging the actions of others while being cowardly to take the first step in anything that requires courage.

That is the problem with modern society. Your comment is resumed as "I forgive her because she looks pretty". If she were ugly or a man you would say she totally deserves it. Always judging by looks and burying previous actions under the rug as if they were never done before. As if they neither caused severe consequences on others. Typical playing the victim card when you got find out to get away with it. I am not against giving a second chance, but we have to remember our actions have consequences. We earn what we deserve.

Pronak said:

By the commentary, A is the actual answer.

Won't C (Take Revenge) would be more fitting based on that?

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Dreadnought said:

Damn. I really want to see a continuation of this piece.

Would you:
A.Bring her to trial?
B.Nothing.
C.Take revenge (I'm assuming the person was hunting her down).

She must, and she will be brought to justice.

Durpala said:

For me, it's okay if the girl wants to start from scratch.
Her image looks pretty and interesting and all her debates about it are pure and useless rubbish. They are specialists in judging the actions of others while being cowardly to take the first step in anything that requires courage.

this just like saying Japanese war criminal running for prime minister is justifiable (yeah that exist)

Dreadnought said:

Damn. I really want to see a continuation of this piece.

Would you:
A.Bring her to trial?
B.Nothing.
C.Take revenge (I'm assuming the person was hunting her down).

I look her straight in the eye and make the longest, foulest, loudest, most drawn out wet fart of all time.

She just need rape correction

Altaraiser said:

She just need rape correction

What the fuck is wrong with you

JGL said:

I think this might be Romanian, and knowing what happened to Communists after the fall of the Romanian communist party, I think I can guess what's going to happen next.

Besides the leading couple with their cult of personality, not that many people got executed. Pretty sure many former Communist Party officials still had considerable influence in the 1990s.

I've seen this image a few times in YouTube memes videos Thumbnail but I still don't understand what's actually happening in this image. Can someone explain it to me?

SaneRedX said:

What the fuck is wrong with you

My bad, I forgot I'm not on /a/

Man, if only she knew how to make rockets fly good...