Makes you wonder if "Saber-face" is some sort of pre-programmed setting in the Holy Grail or like the cycle of rebirth involves the Saber-face as a default skin.
From what I remember she's supposedly descended from one of Artoria's relatives, so she's technically not Artoria's granddaughter but is still more or less regarded as such.
From what I remember she's supposedly descended from one of Artoria's relatives, so she's technically not Artoria's granddaughter but is still more or less regarded as such.
That sounds like a really, really, really far reach, even by Type-moon standards, and a big pile of bullshit. If that was the case, why stop there. Might as well say she’s also got the blood of Heracules, Cu and why not even Gilgamesh while we’re at it. If we’re going to reach, might as well reach for the fucking stars.
And we’re not even going to consider that fact that Altria might not have never existed at all or that fact that Fem.Arthur was a fake all along and move to the part where Male Arthur was actually the real Arthur and everything else is just a load of boloney?
It would have been more believable if they had said she was MHX’s kid or something since that would have atleast be a funny joke.
That sounds like a really, really, really far reach, even by Type-moon standards, and a big pile of bullshit. If that was the case, why stop there. Might as well say she’s also got the blood of Heracules, Cu and why not even Gilgamesh while we’re at it. If we’re going to reach, might as well reach for the fucking stars.
And we’re not even going to consider that fact that Altria might not have never existed at all or that fact that Fem.Arthur was a fake all along and move to the part where Male Arthur was actually the real Arthur and everything else is just a load of boloney?
It would have been more believable if they had said she was MHX’s kid or something since that would have atleast be a funny joke.
??? Why do you sound angry? I didn't say it was irrefutable fact, I said "From what I remember". If you want to learn more go check here -> https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Gray
Also, unless I'm really messing up Type-Moon's Fate series lore (which is possible as I'm only a casual fan), the male Arthur was from an alternate reality and the female Artoria is the original within the main timeline.
Also, unless I'm really messing up Type-Moon's Fate series lore (which is possible as I'm only a casual fan), the male Arthur was from an alternate reality and the female Artoria is the original within the main timeline.
You are correct on that, male Arthur is from Fate/Prototype timeline (the original idea for FSN), which is different from the main timeline (including a different Cu, Merlin is female, Excalibur works differently, etc.)
??? Why do you sound angry? I didn't say it was irrefutable fact, I said "From what I remember". If you want to learn more go check here. https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Gray
I’m actually more sad than mad since they’re doing this Sameface Saber bullshit yet they couldn’t at least get Takeuchi to draw the official art for Luvia/Astraea when she finally came to. Or at the very least make her look like Luvia.
As well as knowing the rest of the Lord El files will probably never get official translations and the anime is going to probably cover about....half? of the volumes before ending.
It’s just depressing is all.
Guess my fustration is just being directed at the wrong place, since I’ve known about Gray and it really doesn’t bother me that much. I still just think her whole character background is far-reaching.
I’m actually more sad than mad since they’re doing this Sameface Saber bullshit yet they couldn’t at least get Takeuchi to draw the official art for Luvia/Astraea when she finally came to. Or at the very least make her look like Luvia.
As well as knowing the rest of the Lord El files will probably never get official translations and the anime is going to probably cover about....half? of the volumes before ending.
It’s just depressing is all.
Guess my fustration is just being directed at the wrong place, since I’ve known about Gray and it really doesn’t bother me that much. I still just think her whole character background is far-reaching.
Oh. I'm sorry for jumping to conclusions the way I did, my apologies.
I get that Artoria is a very popular character, but the amount of characters with her face is getting really ridiculous at this point.
Here's hoping the El-Melloi Files anime will do well enough to warrant multiple series, or even just movie adaptations of the other volumes.
laisy said:
You are correct on that, male Arthur is from Fate/Prototype timeline (the original idea for FSN), which is different from the main timeline (including a different Cu, Merlin is female, Excalibur works differently, etc.)
I was a little sketchy on the details from Fate/Prototype, so I'm glade someone more knowledgeable chimed in.
Oh. I'm sorry for jumping to conclusions the way I did, my apologies.
I get that Artoria is a very popular character, but the amount of characters with her face is getting really ridiculous at this point.
Here's hoping the El-Melloi Files anime will do well enough to warrant multiple series, or even just movie adaptations of the other volumes.
Not really anything to apologize for, since I did have some hostility although most would be towards Type-Moon and their usual bullshit. One can only take so much before you just want to scream.
It would be great if the anime did well enough to warrent more adaptations but I really just want translations. There are fan translations but it only went up to about vol.2 and it does suck since the story gets better further down the volumes. They cover alot of different things and characters that I like make appearences.
You know, because nothing says "our franchise is based upon the vast limits of history and mythology" than "let's use this same face for every single installment then make up convoluted BS to half-ass handwave why it is so".
It'd be better they just admit "people will whale for Saberfaces, so we give them Saberfaces because we like having money than we like having creativity".
It'd be better they just admit "people will whale for Saberfaces, so we give them Saberfaces because we like having money than we like having creativity".
Wasn’t that a given? I mean, that was the whole idea behind Nero in Extra. They said it themselves they wanted to make her look like Saber so people would think she is Saber so they will buy it thinking it was Saber only to be tricked into her not being Saber.
Wasn’t that a given? I mean, that was the whole idea behind Nero in Extra. They said it themselves they wanted to make her look like Saber so people would think she is Saber so they will buy it thinking it was Saber only to be tricked into her not being Saber.
Nero technically is a Saber, just not Saber Artoria.
Nero technically is a Saber, just not Saber Artoria.
And even then, technically speaking Nero was explicitly stated to not be able to be summoned as a Saber, if I remember correctly, and that it was through sheer force of bullshit and imperial privilege that she became a Saber class.
And even then, technically speaking Nero was explicitly stated to not be able to be summoned as a Saber, if I remember correctly, and that it was through sheer force of bullshit and imperial privilege that she became a Saber class.
God dammit.
At this point I just take "canon explanations" written by TYPEMOON to mean "excuse to pander to fanbase" more than an actual attempt to flesh out the story, setting or character.
Why is Lancer Artoria an adult? Oh because Excalibur didn't stint her growth(real reason: because boobs sell). Why is Skadi inserted into Scathach, a character from a completely different mythology? Because Odin chose so(real reason: Because Shishou sells). Why are divine spirits, previously mentioned to be unsummonable now summonable? Because they have vessels(real reason: because we wanna reuse FSN characters because they sell).
And even then, technically speaking Nero was explicitly stated to not be able to be summoned as a Saber, if I remember correctly, and that it was through sheer force of bullshit and imperial privilege that she became a Saber class.
God dammit.
Because she apparently doesn't want to be summoned as cavalry classes. Rider especially.
There are many more bullshit reasons (and even lack-of-reasons) for other characters' classes though.
And even then, technically speaking Nero was explicitly stated to not be able to be summoned as a Saber, if I remember correctly, and that it was through sheer force of bullshit and imperial privilege that she became a Saber class.
God dammit.
IIRC, it's almost entirely the later. Imperial Privilege is an incredibly broken skill.
That sounds like a really, really, really far reach, even by Type-moon standards, and a big pile of bullshit. If that was the case, why stop there. Might as well say she’s also got the blood of Heracules, Cu and why not even Gilgamesh while we’re at it. If we’re going to reach, might as well reach for the fucking stars.
And we’re not even going to consider that fact that Altria might not have never existed at all or that fact that Fem.Arthur was a fake all along and move to the part where Male Arthur was actually the real Arthur and everything else is just a load of boloney?
It would have been more believable if they had said she was MHX’s kid or something since that would have atleast be a funny joke.
Considering that it's from a spinoff book it's not that surprising that it'd be that way
Considering that it's from a spinoff book it's not that surprising that it'd be that way
Except it's not exclusive to "spinoff books", again Nero Claudius who only became Saberface because "wouldn't it be funny if people got confused?" and Okita, who only started off as Takeuchi's scribble for "Artoria in Japanese clothes" but got canonized into her own character because why the hell not.
Then there's the entire thing about Strange Fake, where they literally canonized an April Fools joke.