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pikachu, dawn, may, ash ketchum, misty, and 9 more (pokemon and 2 more) drawn by pokemoa
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    Hillside Moose
    over 16 years ago
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    Continuation of post #356538

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    Roderic
    over 16 years ago
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    DAMN IT.

    I was legitimately shocked at the end |:

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    NeverGonnaGive
    over 16 years ago
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    I love the aged versions, but I'm wondering what Misty's doin' there. Mayhap Ash is pulling a Red and hanging out in that fucking cave all d' tyme?

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    yuugekitai
    over 16 years ago
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    "pulling a Red" is now a phrase.

    I can think of other people "pulling a Red"...

    Obi-wan pulled a Red in Star Wars IV

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    xkcd
    over 16 years ago
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    @2007 Brock looks like "I put on my robe and wizard hat..."

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    BakaHoushi
    over 16 years ago
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    Okay, May's development is freaking me out a little here.

    Also laughing at 5 year old Dawn.

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    over 16 years ago
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    BakaHoushi said:
    Okay, May's development is freaking me out a little here.

    Also laughing at 5 year old Dawn.

    I'm not suprised since she's sizable for 10-12 years of age... and with time she'd only grow bigger.

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    keyblader85
    over 16 years ago
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    I did not see that coming. o_O

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    PancakeFace22
    over 16 years ago
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    Pikachu looks so droopy in 2006.

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    Roze
    over 16 years ago
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    May got married before Misty? That's what she's down about? O: I think I got this already... Like, notice that no matter how many years passed Ash/Satoshi always acts like a 10 year old? o___o;

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    OrigamiChimera
    over 16 years ago
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    I reeeeally wish someone would translate these...

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    Buzz-Killington
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    Did one ever know the reason why the pacing and story development change after Ash was hit by lightning in the beginning episodes? How Ash and his world were relatively normal until after the incident? I have a theory. The accident with the bike put Ash in a coma. Days later he was found and was hurried to the hospital and treated with heavy medications. This is why Team Rocket became less menacing. The medication took effect and stabilized his coma dreams, instead of being terrifying, they became idyllic, and he's able to live out his Pokémon master fantasies.

    If one had noticed, the early episodes of Pokémon were of amazing quality. The rest of the series is just the results of his subconscious mind fulfilling his desires, as well as attempting to escape them. Should Ash realize he's in a coma, he would wake up, but suffer brain damage. So he has to take down all his mental barriers one by one until he can come to grips with what he is and escape his coma.

    This explains why he doesn't change much physically. Also, the worldwide socialism can be explained if you once again realize that this is a dream world; he thought up a safe system of government that would run smoothly and keeps the world going allowing his adventures to work like they do. It also explains a few other things, such as how a child can go off on his own in a world full of dangerous untamed animals, and why every Pokémon center has the same exact nurse. Joy and Jenny he knew from his hometown, and they act as a safety net or anchor, allowing him to feel safe no matter where he goes. The professors, like the Joy's and Jenny's represent stability, and ash's ideals. This is why Gary became a professor. It's also the reason that every time he enters a new region, virtually no one has heard of him, despite his conquests, and why Giovanni leads Team Rocket. How could Paul, the rival of the Sinnoh area, not know of someone who has placed in at least the top 16 of all three leagues and has destroyed the Orange league and Battle Frontier?

    Ash’s travelling partners are actually aspects of himself he can enjoy, but doesn't like to associate with himself. Team Rocket are his qualities that he deems "negative", but is coming to terms with. Jesse and James want to appease Giovanni, Ash's Father. Meowth especially wants to appease him because he remembers the good times with Giovanni. This Places meowth in a category known as ash's (corrupted) innocence, and another fragment of ash's humanity. If you note that meowth can speak this quickly becomes apparrent. In fact the whole reason for meowth's speech is so he can help Ash accept Team rocket as part of himself eventually.

    Brock is Ash's repressed sexuality. He fell into the coma a virgin and needed an outlet for his growing sexual frustrations. Since he can never experience sex, Brock must never succeed. Brock is a projection of his sexuality, and is constantly shot down because Ash could never “know” sex. Brock isn't just Ash's latent sexuality, he's also his fatherly instincts, neither of which Ash can come to terms with. Brock leaves his siblings to "journey" with Ash. because Ash can't cope with having that much responsibility, much as his foray with a real relationship ends on mysterious terms. Ash just cannot handle commitment at his mental level. Brock's Stay with professor Ivy was an.attempt to outright suppress his sexuality. You'll notice that James got much more dialogue in this part of the series, as well as getting more touchy feel-y with his pokemon and getting most of his backstory. Ash didn't enjoy this much, hence the reasons Brock comes back all horrified, and refuses to speak about it. (ash's subconscious was repressing him at the time, so other than a general feeling of dread he has no idea of what went on then.) This is also why brock keeps coming back to the series....Usually AFTER Ash meets a new girl aspect of himself.Misty is an image that Ash had of a girl. This is why she plays so prevalently in the series but is ultimately unattainable because he never really knew her before the coma. Likely the one that helped get him to a hospital. I have a theory in line with this: Since Misty was his initial love interest (if only subconsciously), he needed her to reach a level of womanhood. He felt that people could only have relationships when they've matured. But in practice, it turned out he couldn't cope with it and just wanted the normal, pushy, arrogant Misty he knew, and wouldn't let her keep Togepi anymore.

    Misty is Ash's first attempt at a girl he could love, however, being a girl from the real world, all he really he knew of her was her anger, as a result she ended up quite hot headed in his mind. Constantly berating his sexuality, but eventually mellowing out until she had faded into the background. This was also traumatizing to him, being attached to it. Since then, the thought of anyone around him maturing to adulthood has been blocked, and anyone who shows signs of it will quickly end up leaving for another, more naive fill-in.

    Max came with May, she played the Id with great aspirations, and he played the sensible Ego that "Session". They worked for a little while but Ash, being a teenager, eventually had his sexuality had to come back into play. He kept reinventing himself and eventually wrote new aspects, but his mind slowly brought back the old ones as a crutch to make the transition easier.

    Dawn is Ash giving himself a chance to love. since he already established Misty as someone he's not likely to go anywhere with, he created a new super female, one that was more like him, and less violent all the time. (One will note that both May and Misty had no tolerance for Brock whatsoever whereas dawn seems to try and shrug it off.) .

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    zelda1899
    over 16 years ago
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    It's missing about 7 years...

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    user 11314
    over 16 years ago
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    Buzz-Killington said:
    *snip*

    Stop talking sense! That theory is too grounded in reality to be fun!

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    Muffin-lord
    over 16 years ago
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    buzz thanks to your theroys on pokemon ill never be able to look at them in the same light..... it all makes sense the entire series was just a lie!

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    Dragon Samurai
    over 16 years ago
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    as sensible as that would be i think there's some holes here and there for it to be as you claim. one of them being his first hit with being electrocuted was when he first got Pikachu actually. and it has happened a few times after that no doubt. i don't think his happy go lucky dream world would let him relive such a moment that would actually be traumatizing for him. not to mention that all the characters back stories seem overly extensive to be a dream at all either.

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    Ichigo69
    over 16 years ago
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    HOLY SHIT WALL OF TEXT!

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    Tieria
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    lol wtf is this huge textwall

    Buzz-Killington said:
    ...If one had noticed, the early episodes of Pokémon were of amazing quality. The rest of the series is just the results of his subconscious mind fulfilling his desires, as well as attempting to escape them.

    Or just like most other series it turned into shit when it dragged on too long.

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    Tieria said:
    Or just like most other series it turned into shit when it dragged on too long.

    Well, you're no fun.

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    NeverGonnaGive
    over 16 years ago
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    *thinks of Lock/Shock/Barrel song*
    Anyway, an error: Oak is Ash's father (unless you mean a father figure, but if that, then when would he've met Giovanni?). 'sides, Giovanni is Silver's fath-- WAIT A MINUTE! Ash's life is not his OWN coma, but a construct of RED's coma! All of the Pokémon anime must've happened in a downtime for the lead hero of PKMN Special.

    Wow...

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    Dragon_Samurai said:
    as sensible as that would be i think there's some holes here and there for it to be as you claim. one of them being his first hit with being electrocuted was when he first got Pikachu actually. and it has happened a few times after that no doubt. i don't think his happy go lucky dream world would let him relive such a moment that would actually be traumatizing for him. not to mention that all the characters back stories seem overly extensive to be a dream at all either.

    i say the shocks are there to make sure he doesn't die in the coma so. When he gets shock and means and was close to his death and in out of the coma was when the doctor gave him the shock. with this it help's keeps him alive and is coma.

    Will this is what i have to say to that, and buzz may be right and it'll be funny on that last epoisde if it comes. (say for the grammer XD)

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    Buzz-Killington said:
    I take children shows seriously.

    O RLY!

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    Buzz-Killington said:
    *snip*.

    That was way too detailed to be a one-man effort. At least I hope it wasn't.

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    STHX
    almost 16 years ago
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    This looks like it comes from Soara.
    But I'm not 100% sure (although everything looks really like his style).

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    juliya
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    Buzz-Killington said:
    tl;dr

    My buzz is gone.

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    Player One
    almost 16 years ago
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    0_0.... .... .... ..... right now im thinking 'wow this is pretty sad' (no, not the crying sad).... but im also thinking 'thats pretty impressive, so impressive that i was actually speechless'

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    Velcrostraps
    almost 16 years ago
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    I've heard that what Misty's saying in the last panel is something like, "I guess I'll just have to marry Tracey".

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    keyblader85
    almost 16 years ago
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    When I saw the end, I went from shock, to laughing my ass off, to thinking, to really sad. It'll be a hell of a thing when Pikachu dies. I almost cried thinking about it. -_-

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    Ataeru
    almost 16 years ago
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    a while ago my friend and i were discussing about the characters ages, but their appearances and actions have not been effected by supposed age, so we figured they dramatically slowed down their ages, so satoshi would be 14 today.

    and oh yeah, i feel sorry for kasumi =(
    damn it satoshi

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    Buzz-Killington said:
    Did one ever know the reason why the pacing and story development change after Ash was hit by lightning in the beginning episodes? How Ash and his world were relatively normal until after the incident? I have a theory. The accident with the bike put Ash in a coma. Days later he was found and was hurried to the hospital and treated with heavy medications. This is why Team Rocket became less menacing. The medication took effect and stabilized his coma dreams, instead of being terrifying, they became idyllic, and he's able to live out his Pokémon master fantasies.

    If one had noticed, the early episodes of Pokémon were of amazing quality. The rest of the series is just the results of his subconscious mind fulfilling his desires, as well as attempting to escape them. Should Ash realize he's in a coma, he would wake up, but suffer brain damage. So he has to take down all his mental barriers one by one until he can come to grips with what he is and escape his coma.

    This explains why he doesn't change much physically. Also, the worldwide socialism can be explained if you once again realize that this is a dream world; he thought up a safe system of government that would run smoothly and keeps the world going allowing his adventures to work like they do. It also explains a few other things, such as how a child can go off on his own in a world full of dangerous untamed animals, and why every Pokémon center has the same exact nurse. Joy and Jenny he knew from his hometown, and they act as a safety net or anchor, allowing him to feel safe no matter where he goes. The professors, like the Joy's and Jenny's represent stability, and ash's ideals. This is why Gary became a professor. It's also the reason that every time he enters a new region, virtually no one has heard of him, despite his conquests, and why Giovanni leads Team Rocket. How could Paul, the rival of the Sinnoh area, not know of someone who has placed in at least the top 16 of all three leagues and has destroyed the Orange league and Battle Frontier?

    Ash’s travelling partners are actually aspects of himself he can enjoy, but doesn't like to associate with himself. Team Rocket are his qualities that he deems "negative", but is coming to terms with. Jesse and James want to appease Giovanni, Ash's Father. Meowth especially wants to appease him because he remembers the good times with Giovanni. This Places meowth in a category known as ash's (corrupted) innocence, and another fragment of ash's humanity. If you note that meowth can speak this quickly becomes apparrent. In fact the whole reason for meowth's speech is so he can help Ash accept Team rocket as part of himself eventually.

    Brock is Ash's repressed sexuality. He fell into the coma a virgin and needed an outlet for his growing sexual frustrations. Since he can never experience sex, Brock must never succeed. Brock is a projection of his sexuality, and is constantly shot down because Ash could never “know” sex. Brock isn't just Ash's latent sexuality, he's also his fatherly instincts, neither of which Ash can come to terms with. Brock leaves his siblings to "journey" with Ash. because Ash can't cope with having that much responsibility, much as his foray with a real relationship ends on mysterious terms. Ash just cannot handle commitment at his mental level. Brock's Stay with professor Ivy was an.attempt to outright suppress his sexuality. You'll notice that James got much more dialogue in this part of the series, as well as getting more touchy feel-y with his pokemon and getting most of his backstory. Ash didn't enjoy this much, hence the reasons Brock comes back all horrified, and refuses to speak about it. (ash's subconscious was repressing him at the time, so other than a general feeling of dread he has no idea of what went on then.) This is also why brock keeps coming back to the series....Usually AFTER Ash meets a new girl aspect of himself.Misty is an image that Ash had of a girl. This is why she plays so prevalently in the series but is ultimately unattainable because he never really knew her before the coma. Likely the one that helped get him to a hospital. I have a theory in line with this: Since Misty was his initial love interest (if only subconsciously), he needed her to reach a level of womanhood. He felt that people could only have relationships when they've matured. But in practice, it turned out he couldn't cope with it and just wanted the normal, pushy, arrogant Misty he knew, and wouldn't let her keep Togepi anymore.

    Misty is Ash's first attempt at a girl he could love, however, being a girl from the real world, all he really he knew of her was her anger, as a result she ended up quite hot headed in his mind. Constantly berating his sexuality, but eventually mellowing out until she had faded into the background. This was also traumatizing to him, being attached to it. Since then, the thought of anyone around him maturing to adulthood has been blocked, and anyone who shows signs of it will quickly end up leaving for another, more naive fill-in.

    Max came with May, she played the Id with great aspirations, and he played the sensible Ego that "Session". They worked for a little while but Ash, being a teenager, eventually had his sexuality had to come back into play. He kept reinventing himself and eventually wrote new aspects, but his mind slowly brought back the old ones as a crutch to make the transition easier.

    Dawn is Ash giving himself a chance to love. since he already established Misty as someone he's not likely to go anywhere with, he created a new super female, one that was more like him, and less violent all the time. (One will note that both May and Misty had no tolerance for Brock whatsoever whereas dawn seems to try and shrug it off.) .

    nice job. was it hard copying and pasting that from TV Tropes?

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    Gimeul
    almost 16 years ago
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    Why did you quote the entire thing?

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    lolin86
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    cuz just having it once in a post is not enough apparently

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    Sigfried666
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    It makes me so happy to know I am not as batshit crazy as some other people around the net. Who takes a series THAT seriously?

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    NeverGonnaGive
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    Velcrostraps said:
    I've heard that what Misty's saying in the last panel is something like, "I guess I'll just have to marry Tracey".

    Just kill the poor girl, then!

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    Elmenca
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    It seems like someone have too much free time in his life...

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    realsilverjunk
    over 15 years ago
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    Giovanni is Ash's father? HOLY SHIT! I NEVER knew that!

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    realsilverjunk said:
    Giovanni is Ash's father? HOLY SHIT! I NEVER knew that!

    actually it is only implied in the musical not states

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    blacksamuri said:
    nice job. was it hard copying and pasting that from TV Tropes?

    ... Or maybe he wrote it on TV Tropes. It is a wiki, you realize.

    Was it hard accusing someone of intellectual theft?

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    captain64
    over 15 years ago
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    JC stop with the theory's already

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    fixit
    over 15 years ago
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    Pika-chu can't die *sniffle* *sniffle*.

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    Buzz-Killington said:
    Did one ever know the reason why the pacing and story

    I stopped reading there.

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    Buzz-Killington said:
    Did one ever know the reason why the pacing and story

    I stopped reading there.

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    OneOfMany
    over 15 years ago
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    Maybe Ash is gay thats why he wont go out with any of the girls namely misty, cuz he wants brocks manlyness in side of him. >.>

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    janijani
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    Haruka, you sexy bastard ^^

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    DDC
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    Jajajajaja. Poor Kasumi. XD

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    Buzz-Killington said:
    yadda yadda

    Wait, Giovanni is Silver's father, not Satoshi's(or Red's, for that matter)
    You're putting to much thought into this anime.

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    touhoufannumbah249
    almost 15 years ago
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    Gentlemen...

    It's a kid's show, wth are you talking about. I bet all these "psychological" roots are from the writers of the show so they can laugh at themselves.

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    Cilan is playing another mature, care-giving role, as Brock and Tracey did. But with the sommelier aspect being introduced, Ash's subconscious has made someone who can teach him something new. Cilan is someone who can hopefully show him more than he already knows, widening his knowledge a little more, but not too large of an amount.

    Iris is speculated to be another chance to love for Ash, and may be the first successful opportunity created. With her mixing, yet contrasting comparisons with Ash, there may be a heavily intended chance at romance between Ash and her. But there is not enough evidence to show that Ash's subconscious has total control over her creation, so more substantiation is needed, and, at this time, is being created.

    Ash’s rivals are mostly, if not all, possible futures he envisions for himself, which partly explains why they are older than him, and they are, above all, special challenges to overcome, which sets new length for the coma period. Otherwise, with no regular challenges, his acknowledgement of being in a coma will wake him up.

    Gary Oak was built on from what Ash remembers of him, which is quite a lot, since they were childhood friends. He goes on to be a great trainer, but settles down after a suitable amount of accomplishments and begins a career as a researcher. This is ideal, and ties in with Tracey’s conception as well.

    Paul, on the other hand, is the darkest aspect, and most aggressive individual of the series of challenging rivals Ash’s mind could have ever created. Paul wants nothing to do with weakness, and strives to become powerful and overcome anything in his way, to obtain whatever he desires. He is always pushing for something more, and Paul’s conception was the nearest, most drastic change to Ash’s world he could have experienced, which earns Paul the designation of being one of the closest chances for Ash to break the coma cycle. However, just as their rivalry was piquing and nearing a possible end to the coma, the chance to restart the cycle appeared and his mind quickly took the same action it has always done during the end of a region’s journey.

    Mewtwo, being the most malevolent-seeming of creatures Ash has ever encountered, is a special, very innovative form of treatment for Ash’s comatose state. Mewtwo and his enhanced clone pokémon were speculated to have been created by a being other than Ash’s subconscious, to take down every mental guard Ash’s mind had put up (in this case, the guards were the original pokémon of his world) using brute strength. No special pokémon attacks, just sheer force... But this brawl put a huge shock to Ash’s system, and the treatment of Mewtwo’s attack was (possibly externally) cancelled. With a fear of ever coming across something so hostile and destructive again, Ash’s mind subsequently put safeguards on everything in his world, down-playing all human violence and pokémon attacks, especially Pikachu’s, and lessening their actual strength.

    Whenever Ash nears a championship, he must quickly be put in his place so he doesn’t get any closer to his dream of Pokémon Mastery. For if that happens, he will wake up from his coma... To stop this, he is beaten down just before his possible victory, goes to another region, and is built back up again with similar qualities, to continue the comatose sequence in the most plausible manner. How could Paul (who has been stated to have competed in all the leagues Ash has), or any significant character for that matter, not know of Ash until meeting him? The reason is that every time he enters an unfamiliar region, he reinvents himself, because if his notoriety among the world increased uncontrollably, eventually so would his skill, and, in-turn, his skill to become a pokémon master.

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    over 14 years ago
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    fm.wave said:
    actually it is only implied in the musical not states

    Glad to know I'm not the only one that watched Pokemon Live! If Ash's mom HAD married Giovanni, would he turn out to be like Silver? Or would it be a "Back to the Future" scenario, where he's the same person, just with a different past?

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    walterjones2
    over 14 years ago
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    So, what is the average livespan of a pikachu?

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    Sigfried666
    over 14 years ago
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    So... I read in a dojin that there's a joke or something in Japan about men becoming wizards if they remain virgin for a long time.

    I imediatelly rememberd this comic strip.

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    EMUltra3
    almost 14 years ago
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    Stop making Pokemon so deep people!

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    Kenpachiqwan
    almost 14 years ago
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    ROFL all those theories over a kids show -.- Its even more in depth than Pokemonpolis theories which were more believer able.

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