well, now that the ugly is out of the way, w can focus on adorable stuff.... Like Parsee commandeering Yuugi

the crowd still doesn't know they were played yet. Kaguya is good

Maybe what i hope, a Shikieki and Komachi vs Kaguya and Eirin will happen, and we could get our chance of "righting wrongs ala Kinnikuman" about Kaguya's fakade.

And do i see some Terryman/Terry The Kid, thumbs up from Mokou? lol, too much for the Ramenman role, uh?

Mettaur said:
fakade

I've been wondering this for a while, don't you mean façade? Err, or it's english equivalent facade?

Also, had it been anyone else but Mokou/Keine Kaguya faced, she wouldn't have been able to pull off that heel move at the beginning. Mokou is way too predictable...

Otherwise, a good portion of the crowd loves Kaguya for other reasons too you know...(feeding them, socializing with them and in Mystia's case, seduction). Not to mention it's pretty well known that both Kaguya and Mokou hate each other...if I heard Sikieiki reveal that Kaguya tricked Mokou I'd be like "Oh, really? That's pretty sneaky..." but it wouldn't really surprise me either.

She would lose some points in my favor though, I guess. Honestly though, I'd rather see Komachi go up against Yuugi mostly for the symmetrical docking chances...

Well the what i mean by Facade is how she is trying to impose herself as the Heroine through manipulation and fake niceness.

And yeah, everybody knows that Mokou and Kaguya hates eachother (at least the usual main Tohou cast do) which explains why none of the fighters believe that Kaguya is being a honest heroine and if anything is trying to make the crowd believe she's just to satisfy her Roleplaying.

Everybody who knows about the grudge between those 2 would know that a handshake from any of them to the other is 90% of the times just an insult to the other since it isn't honest and as much they are mocking them, so Mokou's reaction to such a act that lacks real honestity is understable, not a heel material at all when you remember their backstory. But since Kaguya went around, technically buying the crowd through a fake nice attitude, this was seen as a heel attitude.

Kaguya has been pretty much not being honest at all and just was nice to other for interest and not for real good will, she did openly said so when only her team was around, which isn't something that a hero tends to do, specially if she expects to be see as Kinnikuman (which probably isn't the author's vision of her since she only shares with him the Kinniku Buster)

The Facade was simply being to lie about being nice for the sake of her own interests. And dragged Mokou into her little game all for the sake of her egoistical and dishonest roleplaying.

And that's what bothers me, for all i care, Reimu and Marisu can pop out and beat the crap of both of them for their stupid grudges, but i do know that Kaguya making Mokou look like a heel was unfair, specially when we all know that BOTH are a bitch to each other.

Obviously this goes beyond the way both wrestle since both do care about doing it legal, yet none is necessarily that good, considering that at the end, the Match was mainly Eirin Softening Mokou so Kaguya can smack her easily and play the hero and Keine returning the favor by doing the same with Kaguya while trying to restraing the irated Mokou of setting fire the crowd for their unrightful insults.

If Anything, blame my absolute dissaproval of Kaguya's team (and Reisen's team by the way) because of my Justice Choujin / Face preference and being a Fan of Kinnikuman as whole because of some of it's core ideas, which one of the most importants is, "be yourself and win people's hearts like that", and Suguru himself is a living proof of that idea. I do like heels, but when they are honest of their villain nature (Because of this Reisen's team, while annoying because of their foul play, wasn't as bothersome as Kaguya's lil act).

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Jesus Christ. Oh no, Kaguya made people boo Mokou. Considering this follows immediately after somebody who painted her costume in somebody else's blood, all this "waaah unfair" rings hollow.

Kaguya wants to be loved, and doesn't care how. Certainly not a noble quality. But what the hell do you want her to do? Try to claw Mokou's eyes out?

No one is saying Kaguya is as bad as Yuuka. That would be insane. The thing is, Yuuka is perfectly willing to admit that she has earned her fan nickname of "The Ultimate Sadistic Monster", nor does she care about the crowd's (or anyone else's) approval (until plot BS with Cirno anyway). She is an absolute monster (or at least most protrayals of her show her as such), but she is perfectly willing to admit this and will even grant fair warning to most.

If anyone is to blame for how ugly that match got its Sanae and Suwako; Sanae for underestimating her opponents (she even called Yuuka a "mere youkai" and talked trash about how she could never lose to such an opponent) and Suwako for going so far for a frog (she gets her faith from people, not frogs, even if she is the goddess of frogs), when her own priestess was taking the beating of a lifetime. They lucked out that Cirno has grown on Yuuka and stopped her or they would have lost and badly.

Kaguya is a spoiled brat (this portrayal of her even moreso than her canon portrayal) who got away with character assassination and no one save Mokou, Keine, and presumably some of the older, more savvy characters (such as Yukari, Remilia, Kanako, etc.) the wiser for it.

That said, she was willing to let Mokou improve her team's image for Keine's sake and she did not approve of Eirin going axe-crazy earlier nor resorting to psychologial warfare what with taunting Mokou about how her only freiend will one day wither away and die before her very eyes, so that nets her some points with me.

Basically, Yuuka is a blatant heel and is loved for it, whereas Kaguya is the sneaky kind of heel who palys mind games and many fans dislike her for that.

I personally don't mind it too much that she won (though i feel abd for Mokou and especially Keine), if only because I know she won't win this tourney, and in fact, I love the irony. Kaguya, a huge Kinnikuman fan who wanted to set herself up as the hero, has unwittingly turned herself into the major villains of this tourney. Her and Eirin are now the equivalent of the Hell's Missionairies from the Tag Tourney Arc in Kinnikuman and its going to make her inevitable fall all the more painful for her pride!

OmniGman, you know there's rumblings that Kaguya's teaming up with Mokou in her next match, right? If that's happening, she's gaining some strong plot armour that'll break apart when they meet up with one of the finalists (either Remilia/Reimu or Sakuya/Suika or whatever's going on with that match)

Now, Mystia? Now? Now you say that to Mokou?

Disappoint. Very disappointed. As much as a birdbrain/fairy-level thinking you can be, I thought good nature or conscience was still there. Sigh.

I mean really, Mokou, probably she rarely gives a crap to weak beings like them, but Keine? The youkai ambassador, the school teacher who dotes upon both human children and youkai?
Does she really deserves that much booing? Shame on the audience.