Good end. God, I hope nothing bad happens from this and just blows over.
yes, hopefully it ends well and people should start to realize that vtubers also have a personal life, just focus on the virtual character, not the person behind it
yes, hopefully it ends well and people should start to realize that vtubers also have a personal life, just focus on the virtual character, not the person behind it
A nice hope, but seriously? People were already conflating voice-actors with their characters in the past decade or weven before. Dissociating a Vtuber character from the person behind it seems similar to me.
Basically, in a collab stream with Miko, Rushia got a discord message from her "roomate". The more toxic fans quickly started to dig it up and it's pretty much likely that the person in question is famous utaite MafuMafu. This was already suspected years ago, as both seemed to have matching tableware and stuff from photos shared on social media, but MafuMafu denied it back then.
TheDhemit said:
yes, hopefully it ends well and people should start to realize that vtubers also have a personal life, just focus on the virtual character, not the person behind it
The problem here is that the other person isn't just some nobody, but also a famous utaite who also has some pretty obsessed fans. Let's just hope it doesn't lead to anything serious and everything calms down in the next few days.
Such a good ship, such a nice guy that can make her happy like this picture, so why her fans denied it?
Her fans bought her merchandise, bought all of her voice pack, give her lot of superchat, and even bought her wedding ring, and because of all this support she still here continue to give content for her fans, if not because of this support she might not be here. and when they knows she is having a relationship with someone, they regret what they do, they feel betrayed because of this, blame her for having a relationship? or because she lied to her fans for having a relationship?
So what should she do? return their money? breaking up with her lover? so she can go out with her fans? or apologize because she lied to her fans? apologize because she make her fans fall in love with her? and retire for this job? because she deserved?
But she already have this relationship before she join this company, she was happy with him and if not because of her lover she might not be here too. or also her fans wanted that she should not be here in the first place? so they can't fall in love with her. so who should? the members that didn't have a relationship? she might also lied to her fans neither to doing this job.
A nice hope, but seriously? People were already conflating voice-actors with their characters in the past decade or weven before. Dissociating a Vtuber character from the person behind it seems similar to me.
what I mean is we can treat watching vtubers like watching anime, we can simping the characters but we can also respect the personal lives of the voice actors. But when I think about it again, this controversy wouldn't be so big if they didn't have the branding as "idol" and made worse by people who suffer from parasocial relationships
Such a good ship, such a nice guy that can make her happy like this picture, so why her fans denied it?
Her fans bought her merchandise, bought all of her voice pack, give her lot of superchat, and even bought her wedding ring, and because of all this support she still here continue to give content for her fans, if not because of this support she might not be here. and when they knows she is having a relationship with someone, they regret what they do, they feel betrayed because of this, blame her for having a relationship? or because she lied to her fans for having a relationship?
So what should she do? return their money? breaking up with her lover? so she can go out with her fans? or apologize because she lied to her fans? apologize because she make her fans fall in love with her? and retire for this job? because she deserved?
But she already have this relationship before she join this company, she was happy with him and if not because of her lover she might not be here too. or also her fans wanted that she should not be here in the first place? so they can't fall in love with her. so who should? the members that didn't have a relationship? she might also lied to her fans neither to doing this job.
It's certainly unreasonable from her fans to be so outraged about this development. However, idol fandom is much different than it is for western celebrities whose fans don't really care if they date women/men and keep supporting the artists regardless of their relationships.
The problem here is that the other person isn't just some nobody, but also a famous utaite who also has some pretty obsessed fans. Let's just hope it doesn't lead to anything serious and everything calms down in the next few days.
There have been reports of "fans" burning/throwing/selling their Rushia goods, but at least on her tweets people seem to be taking it well. While Rushia hasn't tweeted anything since the collab with Miko, MafuMafu did tweet denying any sort of cohabing (he didn't mention Rushia by name, simply referering to her as a friend). Things seem to be smooth on his end too.
I worry a bit about some of Rushia's fans, but apparently Mafumafu's can be batshit insane. I hope they'll both make it through okay. Though on a side note, assuming they actually are dating, I'd actually be pretty happy for them.
When you get down to it, Virtual Youtubers are, by and large, gameshow hosts. That's it. The audience plays games vicariously through them. Just like any other game show. If members of the audience think it's something else, want it to be something else, they ought to look elsewhere for what they want. Because it isn't here.
When you get down to it, Virtual Youtubers are, by and large, gameshow hosts. That's it. The audience plays games vicariously through them. Just like any other game show. If members of the audience think it's something else, want it to be something else, they ought to look elsewhere for what they want. Because it isn't here.
It's a bit naive to think that a big draw to these virtual youtubers isn't the parasocial virtual girlfriend experience/purity/whatever just like with regular idols.
I do not follow vtubers at all so I could be wrong but apparently this aspect was especially pronounced with this one since her official merch contains things like an engagement ring. I can't really help but feel just like with the regular idol industry this too or at least parts of it are inherently predatory in nature towards certain kind of vulnerable people.
There have been reports of "fans" burning/throwing/selling their Rushia goods
Boo hoo, I'm crying so much crocodile tears. I'm sure that'll show her. Maybe they should buy more goods, give her more money and then proceed to burn those too so Rushia can also dry her tears as well.
I also saw some of Mafu's fans. While they are also taking it well, it seems to be more volatile honestly. It's still a thing to worry cause we have to remember they are fangirls and fangirls, even if they say they are alright, only takes a small spark before they blow. Male fans are stupid, but female fans are stupid and crazy. I've seen it happen, way, way too much and it's really, really, REALLY scary.
Imagine a pack of hyenas. They might look silly with their laughs but when given a chance to jump in they are vicious, ripping and tearing apart their prey and even eating the bones. Now multiple that by the thousands and make them more rabid and give them opposing thumbs.
It's a bit naive to think that a big draw to these virtual youtubers isn't the parasocial virtual girlfriend experience/purity/whatever just like with regular idols.
I do not follow vtubers at all so I could be wrong but apparently this aspect was especially pronounced with this one since her official merch contains things like an engagement ring. I can't really help but feel just like with the regular idol industry this too or at least parts of it are inherently predatory in nature towards certain kind of vulnerable people.
Much worse with Rushia's yandere gimmick towards her fandead in particular.
When you get down to it, Virtual Youtubers are, by and large, gameshow hosts. That's it. The audience plays games vicariously through them. Just like any other game show. If members of the audience think it's something else, want it to be something else, they ought to look elsewhere for what they want. Because it isn't here.
Imo it's a tad more complex. With holoEn sure, but despite all the "hololive is a comedian group" jokes the fact is that the jp talents are regarded as idols. And idol culture is one of the most toxic aspects of Japanese entertainment. Sure people watch them play games, but you can not deny that the male audience is after something else. Just look at holostars, their male talents branch. Some are as entertaining as the girls, yet they are nowhere as popular.
Whether they are virtual idols or not, let them live their personal lives as they please. The fact that idol culture is different in Japan is irrelevant because any way you look at it, throwing a fit because someone you never had a chance with in the 1st place is in a relationship is a baffling reaction to say the least. I can understand feeling a little bummed out, but feeling betrayed is ridiculous because you were never together. She couldn't betray her fans even if she wanted to because the circumstances make it impossible. Let Rushia be happy.
Some people really need to pull their heads out if their asses and take a reality check. Vtubers are human beings, and they have lives outside of your computer screen, deal with it. I'm wishing Rushia the best.
Just watched FalseEyeD cover this, anyone who becomes so obsessed over a character that they would be willing to destroy the life of the person behind that character is not “human” as far as I’m concerned, or rather they have no humanity left in them.
VTubers are meant to be fun, they have fun and we have fun with them, that’s just how it is.
Such a good ship, such a nice guy that can make her happy like this picture, so why her fans denied it?
Her fans bought her merchandise, bought all of her voice pack, give her lot of superchat, and even bought her wedding ring, and because of all this support she still here continue to give content for her fans, if not because of this support she might not be here. and when they knows she is having a relationship with someone, they regret what they do, they feel betrayed because of this, blame her for having a relationship? or because she lied to her fans for having a relationship?
So what should she do? return their money? breaking up with her lover? so she can go out with her fans? or apologize because she lied to her fans? apologize because she make her fans fall in love with her? and retire for this job? because she deserved?
But she already have this relationship before she join this company, she was happy with him and if not because of her lover she might not be here too. or also her fans wanted that she should not be here in the first place? so they can't fall in love with her. so who should? the members that didn't have a relationship? she might also lied to her fans neither to doing this job.
if she's happy with her life, why becoming an idol in the first place and acting like a yandere bitch to them even forcing and threatening your audience not to watch the other girl except her, she's kinda pathetic
Just watched FalseEyeD cover this, anyone who becomes so obsessed over a character that they would be willing to destroy the life of the person behind that character is not “human” as far as I’m concerned, or rather they have no humanity left in them.
VTubers are meant to be fun, they have fun and we have fun with them, that’s just how it is.
Wishing Rushia the best.
i don't think "fun" is the best way to describe vtuber in 2022, they're compete with eachother and doing a constant drama inside community
if she's happy with her life, why becoming an idol in the first place and acting like a yandere bitch to them even forcing and threatening your audience not to watch the other girl except her, she's kinda pathetic
Most of us are not stupid nor delusional enough to take her 'threats' and yandere acts seriously. it is part of her kayfabe as "Rushia" after all and her viewers plays along. Don't tell me you believe that she actually mad when people called her pettan?
if she's happy with her life, why becoming an idol in the first place and acting like a yandere bitch to them even forcing and threatening your audience not to watch the other girl except her, she's kinda pathetic
Bruh that's part of her act. It's precisely what her fans watch her for. Vtubers are just actors, and she's just playing a role.
if she's happy with her life, why becoming an idol in the first place and acting like a yandere bitch to them even forcing and threatening your audience not to watch the other girl except her, she's kinda pathetic
holy dude, and you took that personally? you should touch some grass seriously
The people defending this are being too disingenuous. People forget that a vtuber is just another form of "e thot" for lack of a better term. They're selling their personality to lonely people for donations, and anything that can break the illusion of the possibility of a relationship will turn off most or at least a good majority of fanbase. So it is a reasonable response when you look at the reality of it all. The people being upset about it are obviously overreacting to something they should have seen coming miles away; though Rushia not taking steps to prevent this situation from happening in the first place is a pretty big mistake on her part.
if she's happy with her life, why becoming an idol in the first place and acting like a yandere bitch to them even forcing and threatening your audience not to watch the other girl except her, she's kinda pathetic
>idol
That is what most vtubers don't want to get associated with but people keep mistaken them just because they have good voice.
The people defending this are being too disingenuous. People forget that a vtuber is just another form of "e thot" for lack of a better term. They're selling their personality to lonely people for donations, and anything that can break the illusion of the possibility of a relationship will turn off most or at least a good majority of fanbase. So it is a reasonable response when you look at the reality of it all. The people being upset about it are obviously overreacting to something they should have seen coming miles away; though Rushia not taking steps to prevent this situation from happening in the first place is a pretty big mistake on her part.
Let me guess, you were heart broken about the possibility as well?
Let me guess, you were heart broken about the possibility as well?
I couldn't care less, I'm just saying she probably could have avoided this if she was more careful. Then people acting like people shouldn't be upset about it, but they should know this will always be the outcome for these types of streamers in any similar situation. It's like getting mad at a dog for chasing a ball, and those types of people really have about that much self control. I just don't like the virtue signaling it's insufferable.
I couldn't care less, I'm just saying she probably could have avoided this if she was more careful. Then people acting like people shouldn't be upset about it when that, but they should know this will always be the outcome for these types of streamers in any similar situation. It's like getting mad at a dog for chasing a ball, and those types of people really have about that much self control. I just don't like the virtue signaling it's insufferable.
Nothing Rushia has done justifies any of the stupid shit she might get for this incident. What I find insufferable is people like you trying to defend people doing shitty things.
Those people shouldn't be upset, it's that simple. There's nothing reasonable about their behavior.
Nothing Rushia has done justifies any of the stupid shit she might get for this incident. What I find insufferable is people like you trying to defend people doing shitty things.
Those people shouldn't be upset, it's that simple. There's nothing reasonable about their behavior.
I'm not justifying it, I'm just saying it's going to happen without fail everytime. They shouldn't be upset about it, but I doubt we'll be able to change the way humans react anytime soon. If she can't take the heat she probably shouldn't have taken the job or been more careful.
if she's happy with her life, why becoming an idol in the first place and acting like a yandere bitch to them even forcing and threatening your audience not to watch the other girl except her, she's kinda pathetic
the sheer ignorance of this comment is really forcing me out of my retirement.
I'm not justifying it, I'm just saying it's going to happen without fail everytime. They shouldn't be upset about it, but I doubt we'll be able to change the way humans react anytime soon. If she can't take the heat she probably shouldn't have taken the job or been more careful.
Sounds like the same garble I was told when I used to work in customer services. It’s bullshit then and bullshit now. We have to deal with shitty situations and equally shitty people but it doesn’t mean that we are pin cushions for whatever dipshit spaz of the day whose looking to sperg out on us just because of whatever midlife crisis is riding up their asses, even if we had gotten their order wrong.
Whatever the job is, it doesn’t justify assholes being assholes doing asshole stuff to her, just because they are assholes and we should expect them to be assholes and only assholes rather than human beings. This also remind me of the same shit justification those motherfuckers used when they were harassing Coco, as well as saying that she deserved it.
Sounds like the same garble I was told when I used to work in customer services. It’s bullshit then and bullshit now. We have to deal with shitty situations and equally shitty people but it doesn’t mean that we are pin cushions for whatever dipshit spaz of the day whose looking to sperg out on us just because of whatever midlife crisis is riding up their asses, even if we had gotten their order wrong.
Whatever the job is, it doesn’t justify assholes being assholes doing asshole stuff to her, just because they are assholes and we should expect them to be assholes and only assholes rather than human beings. This also remind me of the same shit justification those motherfuckers used when they were harassing Coco, as well as saying that she deserved it.
Fuck those people.
When that's sizable portion of your consumer base it shouldn't be surprising or upsetting, you should expect it to happen at some point if you don't cover your ass. Plus it's nothing like customer service, she could just mute the chat or just walk away.
Plus it's nothing like customer service, she could just mute the chat or just walk away.
Yeah, it’s much worse since at least in customer service it doesn’t become personal, at least not often, and the dumbasses don’t do shit like treating it like a personal vendetta, spamming her twitter, email, sending death threats and will probably try to harass her and the people around her in real fucking life outside of the job.
Yeah, it’s much worse since at least in customer service it doesn’t become personal, at least not often, and the dumbasses don’t do shit like treating it like a personal vendetta, spamming her twitter, email, sending death threats and will probably try to harass her and the people around her in real fucking life outside pf the job.
If you say so, bud. I'd rather be called names on the Internet than getting yelled at by some asshole while getting minimum wage.
If you say so, bud. I'd rather be called names on the Internet than getting yelled at by some asshole while getting minimum wage.
Those assholes yelling at you in real life don't usually try to find your address so they can dox you. They also don't stalk all of your social media accounts sending you death threats daily for months. I would much rather get yelled at by Karens for 8 hours a day because that doesn't usually follow you around outside of work.
Imo it's a tad more complex. With holoEn sure, but despite all the "hololive is a comedian group" jokes the fact is that the jp talents are regarded as idols. And idol culture is one of the most toxic aspects of Japanese entertainment. Sure people watch them play games, but you can not deny that the male audience is after something else. Just look at holostars, their male talents branch. Some are as entertaining as the girls, yet they are nowhere as popular.
There's certainly some irony regarding the fact that western fans tend to love it when the girls break out of the "seiso idol" schtick. Almost all of the EN branch are decidedly nowhere near seiso. I don't know about JP, but eccentric personalities like Pekora, Korone, Matsuri, Miko, Polka and Haachama seem to be doing well. That's not mentioning the chill af Botan. Though you can arguably see a higher concentration of unseisoness in the EN branch. Funnily enough, I tend not to hear much of the more seiso type personalities, possibly because of the discrepancy between what JP and EN prefer. Personally, I see Hololive at its best when it's as far away from being reminiscent of idol culture as possible. And frankly, I hope they take steps away from idol culture and that Yagoo's dream is "broken" even more, so to speak. It would be better for both us and the girls. Though that could just be my western-influenced mind talking, I'd like to know how it's going on the JP side. Though iirc most are supportive, which gives me some hope.
And yes, I do believe that the waifu aspect of it does play a part as well. But it's like they say, "came for x, stayed for y". In this case x is the waifu stuff, and y is the genuinely fun content. And ultimately, that's what I wish everyone would see Hololive as again. Just good old fun. Not all this drama crap.
The people defending this are being too disingenuous. People forget that a vtuber is just another form of "e thot" for lack of a better term. They're selling their personality to lonely people for donations, and anything that can break the illusion of the possibility of a relationship will turn off most or at least a good majority of fanbase. So it is a reasonable response when you look at the reality of it all. The people being upset about it are obviously overreacting to something they should have seen coming miles away; though Rushia not taking steps to prevent this situation from happening in the first place is a pretty big mistake on her part.
Say that to the thousands (both JP and EN, and other countries too) still supporting her after the fact on Twitter, then come back here and realize you're wrong. I don't exactly have the greatest faith in humanity, but yours is so low that you believe nobody can distinguish between fiction and reality. Hell, you don't even need to go on Twitter, this thread proves you wrong. Majority here support her, and call out the crazy gachikois. And most people support the holomems because they're fun to watch, not because they think they have a chance with them. Simple as that.
I couldn't care less, I'm just saying she probably could have avoided this if she was more careful. Then people acting like people shouldn't be upset about it, but they should know this will always be the outcome for these types of streamers in any similar situation. It's like getting mad at a dog for chasing a ball, and those types of people really have about that much self control. I just don't like the virtue signaling it's insufferable.
Actually, yes, in a perfect world they shouldn't be upset. Any normal person can grasp the difference between fiction and reality; the difference between Rushia the character being single and Rushia the person being single. Problem is, these people are NOT normal.
I will concur, however, that the world is not perfect. Unfortunately, no matter how much virtue signaling we do, that's not going to change the fact that people like this exist. It's a problem beyond the control of most of us normal citizens; a social issue, even. So for the short term, it really is up to Cover and Rushia to protect themselves from these people. Problem is, Rushia serves the GFE pretty damn hard. In and of itself, this isn't inherently bad. Some fans who enjoy the GFE can still differentiate between her public and private personae. However, GFE in particular tends to attract some crazy types along with the comparatively normal if slightly lonely types. I mean you see some other holomems who aren't as into the waifu bait stuff and a lot of the time their fanbases are chill when they collab with male streamers. Rushia, on the other hand, is a different case. I won't say that she or Cover were being predatory because frankly, they weren't. It wasn't like the situation with the AKB-48 handshake CD fiasco mentioned in this thread. It's not their fault that the market for GFE contains a bunch of crazies in addition to the normal ones. But I will say; I do think it's unwise to enter that sort of market. I mean, we all know the type of stuff can go wrong in those cases. Some even lead to irl repercussions. It's like how telling r*pe victims to be more careful going out isn't victim blaming, it's just acknowledging the unfortunate reality and adapting to it.
Sounds like the same garble I was told when I used to work in customer services. It’s bullshit then and bullshit now. We have to deal with shitty situations and equally shitty people but it doesn’t mean that we are pin cushions for whatever dipshit spaz of the day whose looking to sperg out on us just because of whatever midlife crisis is riding up their asses, even if we had gotten their order wrong.
Whatever the job is, it doesn’t justify assholes being assholes doing asshole stuff to her, just because they are assholes and we should expect them to be assholes and only assholes rather than human beings. This also remind me of the same shit justification those motherfuckers used when they were harassing Coco, as well as saying that she deserved it.
Fuck those people.
Coco imo is a different case. She was attacked by people no one could have expected in a million years. I mean did you honestly think that geopolitics would become involved in Hololive? I'll bet my life savings, a massive loan, and a kidney that the answer is no.
Rushia's situation on the other hand was entirely expected should a leak like that occur. You'd have to be naive to find it surprising that such pathetic people exist.
Does it justify it? No. But I think his point is that while it's not justified, we frankly can't change the behavior of others purely based on morals. The world wouldn't be a sadistic hellhole if we could. So the best anyone can do short of fixing Japan's entire idol problem is to take precautions. In other words, the pragmatic solution. I hate these pathetic losers as much as the next guy, but try not to let emotions cloud our judgement. We'd be making a similar mistake to the crazies if we did.
And just to be clear, I don't entirely agree with Lusty, because what he said about being actively harassed by people at all times being easier than customer service is absolute BS. Just wanted to throw that out there.
Gotta love how everyone is piling up on and vilifying people who are essentially exploited for financial gain due to their loneliness and mental maladjustment, and let's not kid ourselves it's these obsessive fans who bring in the money and not western virtue signaling twitter people. It's also pretty funny how everyone keeps clamoring how she can do whatever she wants with her life as if her popularity (and bottom line!) would even be near what it is now if she was upfront with her relationships and didn't do the whole GFE pandering thing so hard.
Akasupadupa said: Japan's idol problem
The idol industry's very existence is the problem. It has been enviosned from the start by money grubbing suits to create talent that fosters parasocial and inherently exploatative relationships with an unhealthily fanatic fanbase. It is, more often than not, exploatative of the talent itself as well. Like, this isn't even debatable it's literally what the idol industry is and this is basically just an extension of it.
Say that to the thousands (both JP and EN, and other countries too) still supporting her after the fact on Twitter, then come back here and realize you're wrong. I don't exactly have the greatest faith in humanity, but yours is so low that you believe nobody can distinguish between fiction and reality. Hell, you don't even need to go on Twitter, this thread proves you wrong. Majority here support her, and call out the crazy gachikois. And most people support the holomems because they're fun to watch, not because they think they have a chance with them. Simple as that.
Did people not read a single one of my comments fully? I think I said the people upset about are stupid and had about as much self control as dogs. I agree they're being retarded, and are a PORTION of the fanbase. The big problem is that she could have easily avoided this entire thing if she was slightly more careful. It reminds me of Calli thing when she could have avoided it by not posting a single image.
However my overall point the people defending this are really just wasting their time; and it's about as brave as saying racism or rape is bad. Because it will happen every time; and if I'm actually upset about anything that happened during all of these is that she probably lost a sizable donation pool because of a small mistake.
Just watched FalseEyeD cover this, anyone who becomes so obsessed over a character that they would be willing to destroy the life of the person behind that character is not “human” as far as I’m concerned, or rather they have no humanity left in them.
VTubers are meant to be fun, they have fun and we have fun with them, that’s just how it is.
Wishing Rushia the best.
Akasupadupa said:
There's certainly some irony regarding the fact that western fans tend to love it when the girls break out of the "seiso idol" schtick. Almost all of the EN branch are decidedly nowhere near seiso. I don't know about JP, but eccentric personalities like Pekora, Korone, Matsuri, Miko, Polka and Haachama seem to be doing well. That's not mentioning the chill af Botan. Though you can arguably see a higher concentration of unseisoness in the EN branch. Funnily enough, I tend not to hear much of the more seiso type personalities, possibly because of the discrepancy between what JP and EN prefer. Personally, I see Hololive at its best when it's as far away from being reminiscent of idol culture as possible. And frankly, I hope they take steps away from idol culture and that Yagoo's dream is "broken" even more, so to speak. It would be better for both us and the girls. Though that could just be my western-influenced mind talking, I'd like to know how it's going on the JP side. Though iirc most are supportive, which gives me some hope.
And yes, I do believe that the waifu aspect of it does play a part as well. But it's like they say, "came for x, stayed for y". In this case x is the waifu stuff, and y is the genuinely fun content. And ultimately, that's what I wish everyone would see Hololive as again. Just good old fun. Not all this drama crap.
I think the same idea. Basically i didn't see anyone of them been an asshole too for the sake of been one or a drama queen (i will touch on one later for make a comparation). Plus, since the very 1st day i was expouse to that completly, i was thinking as a geniune, fun , engaging type of content creation diferent to your tipical Twitch streamer with a face cam. I still watch some because they still engaging , but most of the Vtubers i'm sub to in both YT and Twitch has geniune nice content to watch as well. Maybe its my illustrator side too who make me apreciate and respect this type of work too (also i'm the illustrator of one as well on Twitch, and art streamer as well). I think the further they stray away from the idol the better, and keep that as a joke, like the comedian thing as well.
Now thats also depending on the person too. I seen people capitalize from drama or stir drama. For example a guy who loved to talk about Vtuber drama on Youtube, sometimes spreding speculations or lyings (this one is from Japan and he spread a lot of misinformation about Aloe and Coco). On other hand recently i seen on in particular start to getting high horses and need to back a pedal down before its to late. Said one its Veibae who has a tendency to run her mouth off when it shouldn't. Basically badmouth Nuxtaku, a guy who, even if i'm neutral with it, during the Vshoujou VS Nux drama. Or literally called German-Danish Vtuber Shylily a copycat and "Less", only because their accent are similar (it didn't help Vei is Polish and Lily is originaly from Germany. 2 countries with a sour history between both). Even if ... Shylily's content and popularity is going like a non-stop bullet train now days compared with the stalemate Vei became with games and content, if isn't for the other members of Vshoujo too. I don't hate her, but she has to back the f-up for a moment and rethink her words sometimes. I mean this because one day she will be in a spot where running the mouth off will jeopardize her job just for petty drama.
We are not defending anyone here, we just think that this problem has blown way out of proportion, if these retards are allow to sperg their rediculous thoughts in the internet it is the same for us sane people to say that this issue is a nothingburger and tries to deescalate the situation especially now that doxxing and harassments are now getting involved.
They can whine all they want but the fact that Rushia is just playing a character for the sake of entertainment will not change.
Gotta love how everyone is piling up on and vilifying people who are essentially exploited for financial gain due to their loneliness and mental maladjustment, and let's not kid ourselves it's these obsessive fans who bring in the money and not western virtue signaling twitter people. It's also pretty funny how everyone keeps clamoring how she can do whatever she wants with her life as if her popularity (and bottom line!) would even be near what it is now if she was upfront with her relationships and didn't do the whole GFE pandering thing so hard.
I will admit I feel a certain level of pity towards the overzealous fans. I mean they clearly need help, but unfortunately their society has failed them.
And I do think if she didn't do the GFE schtick, it would sacrifice her bottom line by a good margin. That said, it's clearly possible to not offer GFE and still bring in the big bucks. Coco before she left is a good example. Though it can be argued that part of it was her English ability.
Did people not read a single one of my comments fully? I think I said the people upset about are stupid and had about as much self control as dogs. I agree they're being retarded, and are a PORTION of the fanbase. The big problem is that she could have easily avoided this entire thing if she was slightly more careful. It reminds me of Calli thing when she could have avoided it by not posting a single image.
However my overall point the people defending this are really just wasting their time; and it's about as brave as saying racism or rape is bad. Because it will happen every time; and if I'm actually upset about anything that happened during all of these is that she probably lost a sizable donation pool because of a small mistake.
I will remind you that I agree that Cover and Rushia should've been more careful. I've said as much across my comments. Read the quote on the comment you replied to and check the bold part. That's what I was replying to. You said it would turn off a most, if not a good majority of the fanbase. From what I've seen, that's not the case. Yes, some were turned off. I don't think most is accurate. If you have evidence to back up your claims, I'll gladly shut my mouth.
That said, I do agree that stating the obvious won't do anything. I believe it's better for us to spend our energy supporting her if we are to prevent another Aloe type situation. Call me optimistic, but with the larger numbers of kagai-nikis and fans in general, I believe we can do it. A similar thing happened with Towa, so Rushia doesn't seem like an impossibility.
OK, but it should be especially noted that Mafumafu explicitly stated that he and Rushia are not dating or living together, and that Rushia in a deleted tweet said she's been feeling horrible over what happened and pled people to stop spreading misinfo about it.
Both of them don't want to be seen as an actual couple since, not only have they maintained it's untrue, it'll also mainly serve as more fuel for the antis to vilify them, and for the people who don't know any better to perpetuate the drama even further.
I will remind you that I agree that Cover and Rushia should've been more careful. I've said as much across my comments. Read the quote on the comment you replied to and check the bold part. That's what I was replying to. You said it would turn off a most, if not a good majority of the fanbase. From what I've seen, that's not the case. Yes, some were turned off. I don't think most is accurate. If you have evidence to back up your claims, I'll gladly shut my mouth.
That said, I do agree that stating the obvious won't do anything. I believe it's better for us to spend our energy supporting her if we are to prevent another Aloe type situation. Call me optimistic, but with the larger numbers of kagai-nikis and fans in general, I believe we can do it. A similar thing happened with Towa, so Rushia doesn't seem like an impossibility.
It seems like it is given the amount of virtue signaling going on, but I'm not a mind reader nor have even really looked into very much. My original comments could have been worded better. 0ffj202 put it in a significantly better way than I ever could have.
As for being optimistic about avoiding something like this in future, I really doubt it. I assume in their contracts they can't talk about relationships or possibly of relationships (since it sells just look at this situation). I really think the only way you'll ever be able to stop this is by letting them break character and talk about it in a really upfront way. However even then it seems unlikely that you'll be able to get rid of it entirely; or even moreso depending on the content. I really doubt someone like Coco or Matsuri would have had as much backlash.
I really doubt someone like Coco or Matsuri would have had as much backlash.
Funny that you mention that cause Matsuri had something of a even worse and similar event that happened. It was when she was streaming on her "other account" and what happen was that someone who was not suppose to be there was caught on camera (the hand anyway), the person not being her brother or any other relative. At least, I believe that was the story. It happened a while ago and people were blowing a gasket over it, only made worse when she had to say something about it. But it was a pretty minor thing, even though it did generate a bunch of flank that seeped over to her job.
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I know of what you'RE talk about. I want to say that, unfortunately, that is part of Veibae's schtick and I don't think she was actually malicious most of the time, just really, really, really ignorant at worse times. It isn't also the first time she said something stupid that affected the entire group of Vshoujo and she has a bad habit of doing what really stupid people do, which is to double down; escalating it more than needed when keeping quiet and letting it cool off would have been the sensible and wise decision. I was there when she was supposed to collab with Kiara. It was a little blown out of proportion but also understandable that people were not happy about her being the person to collab with Hololive given her past statements and how she worded it, even if she had a point, then tried to act like it didn't happen. The other drama is also something more...out of proportion but talking about it will just give headaches and better to just be buried.
we just think that this problem has blown way out of proportion, if these retards are allow to sperg their rediculous thoughts in the internet it is the same for us
My entire point is that spergs gonna sperg; and it's going to keep happening until you solve the problems causing it, and calling bad people bad people isn't going to do anything.
Funny that you mention that cause Matsuri had something of a even worse and similar event that happened. It was when she was streaming on her "other account" and what happen was that someone who was not suppose to be there was caught on camera (the hand anyway), the person not being her brother or any other relative. At least, I believe that was the story. It happened a while ago and people were blowing a gasket over it, only made worse when she had to say something about it. But it was a pretty minor thing, even though it did generate a bunch of flank that seeped over to her job.
Well, I thought the unofficial channels would have been a way going about it actually addressing that. It might be a lost cause or they missed their chance by doing it at the very beginning.
this entire comment section summarized: people who've never watched a single Rushia stream and don't understand what she based her career off of think their opinion is worth anything. what's even worse, they think they're on Rushia's side by arguing she should be free to have a boyfriend. lmao.
Funny that you mention that cause Matsuri had something of a even worse and similar event that happened. It was when she was streaming on her "other account" and what happen was that someone who was not suppose to be there was caught on camera (the hand anyway), the person not being her brother or any other relative. At least, I believe that was the story. It happened a while ago and people were blowing a gasket over it, only made worse when she had to say something about it. But it was a pretty minor thing, even though it did generate a bunch of flank that seeped over to her job.
I know of what you'RE talk about. I want to say that, unfortunately, that is part of Veibae's schtick and I don't think she was actually malicious most of the time, just really, really, really ignorant at worse times. It isn't also the first time she said something stupid that affected the entire group of Vshoujo and she has a bad habit of doing what really stupid people do, which is to double down; escalating it more than needed when keeping quiet and letting it cool off would have been the sensible and wise decision. I was there when she was supposed to collab with Kiara. It was a little blown out of proportion but also understandable that people were not happy about her being the person to collab with Hololive given her past statements and how she worded it, even if she had a point, then tried to act like it didn't happen. The other drama is also something more...out of proportion but talking about it will just give headaches and better to just be buried.
I see. Thats honestly another good point of view. YET i agree she need to keep herself off sometimes from running her mouth. As much as the other members apreaciate her and care for her, she would need to step down a bit and listen to others or let things slide off (like Shylily did at bounce off what Vei said and let it slide), if she doesn't want to cause a headache to the group.
But, yeah, in the overall i agree we should let this also slide as well.
this entire comment section summarized: people who've never watched a single Rushia stream and don't understand what she based her career off of think their opinion is worth anything. what's even worse, they think they're on Rushia's side by arguing she should be free to have a boyfriend. lmao.
I think we threat this as "job" more like anything. I don't like when people toy with other people's job without a solid reason either. I agree it was also the "playing with fire might get you burn" kinda situation from her part at do that "game", but normal people should see it as a game. YET! as Akasupadupa mentioned: "sometimes we forget people are bananas most of the time" and we try to rationalize it when in reality this should be a threat as a mental issue with this type of overzealous individuals.
Like any other situation this also serves as a lesson too, for both Cover, Rushia and Hololive itself if they don't want to repeat the same mistake. I know the type of stuffs she did, and the "yandere game" and all of that, not as a fan but as someone who is into studie diferent kind business (even if i'm an illustrator mainly). But some games, are to much dangerous to play if you can't foregone the result ... and the GFE its a game who always atrack this type of people like moths to a flame.
Like any other situation this also serves as a lesson too, for both Cover, Rushia and Hololive itself if they don't want to repeat the same mistake.
Patronizing notions like this are also part of the problem, mind. May I remind that this was started by people immediately jumping into conclusions that they were dating based on pure conjecture from a Discord message (and also from years-long rumours from back before Rushia joinad Hololive ... which is another story altogether)?
I know of what you'RE talk about. I want to say that, unfortunately, that is part of Veibae's schtick and I don't think she was actually malicious most of the time, just really, really, really ignorant at worse times. It isn't also the first time she said something stupid that affected the entire group of Vshoujo and she has a bad habit of doing what really stupid people do, which is to double down; escalating it more than needed when keeping quiet and letting it cool off would have been the sensible and wise decision. I was there when she was supposed to collab with Kiara. It was a little blown out of proportion but also understandable that people were not happy about her being the person to collab with Hololive given her past statements and how she worded it, even if she had a point, then tried to act like it didn't happen. The other drama is also something more...out of proportion but talking about it will just give headaches and better to just be buried.
She didn't have a point, she literally told lies, claiming that former Hololive talents have spoken about Hololive being a shitty company to work for. But at the time she made those claims, only a handful of talents had left, at least one of whom was explicitly fired for good reasons, and there was no evidence that she actually knew any of those people personally, raising the question of how she knew private information no one else did. It hardly took any time for people to realize she was bullshitting, and when called out on it she just gave a non-apology.
She didn't have a point, she literally told lies, claiming that former Hololive talents have spoken about Hololive being a shitty company to work for. But at the time she made those claims, only a handful of talents had left, at least one of whom was explicitly fired for good reasons, and there was no evidence that she actually knew any of those people personally, raising the question of how she knew private information no one else did. It hardly took any time for people to realize she was bullshitting, and when called out on it she just gave a non-apology.
I'm not sticking up for her or anything, since I won't lie that I was one of the few that was also not too thrilled when Kiara spoke of wanting to collaborate with her, while full knowing about more than enough the behind the scene problems especially since said clip was hidden and she kept trying to take it down as well even tho it wasn't that extreme if you actually watch through it. That was really what made it into a even bigger problem, at least for me. I was also a little mad but more of the way she had acted, since as mention above Veibae has this really bad habit of making the situation worse than it has to be and how she handled it as well, since her character personality is also that "lol like me or hate me, idc" from what I see.
However I still thought it was too far when everyone got so riled up that it turned into a mini-drama. While it still ended fine, since Kiara went on to still collab with Nyanners (which for that matter is another issue that I WILL NOT go into) and Calli with IronMouse (which was very nice), I can't say I was happy to see how the whole thing affected Kiara.
The point I meant saying she had was that she had in mind was of the idol culture, and I think she was basing the fact that Hololive being a vtuber Idol group and that basis alone when she made the comment. It was quite ignorant since she was doing a blanket statement, even if what she said was no different than what everyone else is saying in all these comments about said idol and the dramas it attracts, and it did make it look as if she was bad mouthing not only Hololive but also corporate/company vtubers in general, not help that she later would go on to join a said company/corporate vtuber group.
It's a bit naive to think that a big draw to these virtual youtubers isn't the parasocial virtual girlfriend experience/purity/whatever just like with regular idols.
I do not follow vtubers at all so I could be wrong but apparently this aspect was especially pronounced with this one since her official merch contains things like an engagement ring. I can't really help but feel just like with the regular idol industry this too or at least parts of it are inherently predatory in nature towards certain kind of vulnerable people.
Every Vtuber is a different flavor. Some offer the girlfriend experience and others are just keeping a respectable distance. You got gang bosses, princesses, perverts *cough* Shylily and Matsuri *cough*, bosozoku, yakuza, then there is Nene who has a reverse harem. Unfortunately though some fans go in too deep. If this happened to Nene it would be no big deal some might be salty but thats it. A lot of vtubers are actively defying the whole "idol" label.
I couldn't care less, I'm just saying she probably could have avoided this if she was more careful. Then people acting like people shouldn't be upset about it, but they should know this will always be the outcome for these types of streamers in any similar situation. It's like getting mad at a dog for chasing a ball, and those types of people really have about that much self control. I just don't like the virtue signaling it's insufferable.
I watch vtubers to stick it to the 3d ethots. Remember when Melody debuted?
So, we can see the pattern now, most of people hate her because she's rumored for having a relationship with a popular person, and both of them tell to their fans that they are not in relationship, and people still not believing it and keep spreading the hatreds and speculations that damaged her mental.
Her company decided to not interfere with her real life problem, and she decided to use the 3rd party to clear her misunderstood, the 3rd party explain her situation and tell that she's actually not in relationship. so the problem is clear now? it might clear some misunderstanding but what the cost? she terminated by her company by leaking the private information that violated her contract.
So, we can see the pattern now, most of people hate her because she's rumored for having a relationship with a popular person, and both of them tell to their fans that they are not in relationship, and people still not believing it and keep spreading the hatreds and speculations that damaged her mental.
Her company decided to not interfere with her real life problem, and she decided to use the 3rd party to clear her misunderstood, the 3rd party explain her situation and tell that she's actually not in relationship. so the problem is clear now? it might clear some misunderstanding but what the cost? she terminated by her company by leaking the private information that violated her contract.
Is this what you wanted guys?
Thats not the fans fault if thats the case. They didn't force her to run to this third party. And even then, I saw way, WAY more support for Rushia than not.
In the end, it turns out that she was just stalking the guy and that he wanted nothing to do with her.
In the end turns out they were together the entire time ... and she was the very thing she was always portrait as: "the abusive toxic GF" ... or should i said wife, because they were married .... as in past tense because Mafu is getting a divorce it seems and suing her for been abusive.
Every time I saw news of her, she never ceases to make me question her life decisions.
She was the number #1 super chatted channel, then she leaked info to someone who she should know would not hesitate to throw her under the bus. She finally got a role as a seiyuu, then she pulled this.
She literally could have had everything, but she just can't stop sabotaging herself.
Every time I saw news of her, she never ceases to make me question her life decisions.
She was the number #1 super chatted channel, then she leaked info to someone who she should know would not hesitate to throw her under the bus. She finally got a role as a seiyuu, then she pulled this.
She literally could have had everything, but she just can't stop sabotaging herself.
the irony: She demand him to messenge her in Discord all the time to see he wasn't cheating on her (poor aged because she was the one doing it), and it was that very thing who end up her time in Hololive.
the irony: She demand him to messenge her in Discord all the time to see he wasn't cheating on her (poor aged because she was the one doing it), and it was that very thing who end up her time in Hololive.
We call that "projection".
Hoo boy... I kept my sub to Rushia's channel even after her termination. After this? No. No no. Oh no no no. Now I REALLY wonder what the drama was between her and Delutaya (a.k.a. Aloe Mano).
Every time I saw news of her, she never ceases to make me question her life decisions.
She was the number #1 super chatted channel, then she leaked info to someone who she should know would not hesitate to throw her under the bus. She finally got a role as a seiyuu, then she pulled this.
She literally could have had everything, but she just can't stop sabotaging herself.
Currently, it seems it is less of a "then she pulled this" situation and more of a "her past caught up to her."
I'll say the same as I said with ProJared. We still haven't heard her side of the story, yet. Don't go & throw any hate at her or jump to conclusions until then.
Mike-Rushia made a statement of her own, confirming many of mfmf's allegations. However...
She didn't deny her abusive behavior, her demands for 24/7 discord calls, practically ignoring the marriage, not handing back the engagement ring, or mfmf living in a different house even though he bought the one she started living for both of them thinking it would stop her jealously. She didn't deny any of it. IMO, probably because mfmf could prove all of it if he wanted to.
Also, there is even more allegations coming from mfmf involving another person with Mike-Rushia, false accusations of sexual abuse, falsely claiming pregnancy...
People have been saying Holo and VShojo dodged a nuke for not having anything to do with her anymore. But at this point I'm questioning if she's too toxic to even be included in something like Holocure.
