The people who want these artworks are probably the same people who complained about cultural appropriation done by wypipo back in 2016 or so... And yet they turn around appropriating anime characters just so they could piss off the MAGA-hat wearers... 🙄
I for one struggle to understand why there are people that insist on doing this with a straight face outsider of obvious jokes. To my eyes, a lot of times this seems to only be done to make people angry other than something more positive. Especially when there are actual black characters out there that could use some love. Now sure, they are not as plentyfull, but thats all the more reason to show that they exist.
Reading the twitter comments and... Both JP and overseas comments are NOT REALLY HAPPY with this behavior already.
I think bkub having to make an apology tweet for this art was the trigger for lots of JP users to finally notice the double standard displayed by a few overseas anime fans.
Any nuanced discussions on this sort of topic have been difficult (on Twitter at least), and a certain group of people with their double standard (as well as being the instigators in most of the cases) can only blame themselves for it.
Telling how artists have to or should draw characters is such an awful mindset to have. Let artists express themselves.
Ha. I know the freedom of expression, but at the same people are expressing racism such as blackwashing/whitewashing? People should know their limits in their childish behavior.
Ha. I know the freedom of expression, but at the same people are expressing racism such as blackwashing/whitewashing? People should know their limits in their childish behavior.
A lot of it has to do with narcissism, and probably having such poor social skills that basic human interaction probably feels like a hostage negotiation. If someone is unable to to relate to or even just simply find entertainment in a work unless there are characters who tick all the same identity checkboxes they have, either collectively or microcosmically, then that person needs a reality check. That the West is seeing this rise of what I can only describe as an entire culture centered around this identity narcissism speaks volumes of how the collective culture has degraded. It's almost like a... mass sociopathy or something like that.
My honest opinion that I can agree about it is like If people complain so much you draw Marina in a ligther shade of skin color yet the same people will do blackwashing like on this drawing then I totally agree the double standard is super dumb
I think the usual death threats and doxing goes beyond reasonable criticism, but that's just me.
Considering that happens constantly to artists when they "whitewash" art which more often then not is a softening effect of lighting... rocks and glass houses.
Y'all can hate this all you want, but it's genuinely pretty nicely drawn. Plus, there's a lot of black cosplayers who have done both of these two, so I choose to interpret this post as a tribute to them.
This has already become the 11th most downvoted active post in less than 24 hours...
What type of synapses must there be in those racists who shit themselves when someone draws fictitious characters as they would be from another race/minority...
What type of synapses must there be in those racists who shit themselves when someone draws fictitious characters as they would be from another race/minority...
not liking radical changes to character designs doesn't make people racists.
This has already become the 11th most downvoted active post in less than 24 hours...
45 people and counting have a sore need to touch grass. Dandadan is hugely popular among black people, and as such you should expect them to draw their favorite characters like themselves. If y'all think this is "racist", wait until you see StoneToss's or A. Wyatt Mann's "art".
45 people and counting have a sore need to touch grass. Dandadan is hugely popular among black people, and as such you should expect them to draw their favorite characters like themselves. If y'all think this is "racist", wait until you see StoneToss's or A. Wyatt Mann's "art".
It would be beautiful irony if the analytics showed the majority of downvotes were from black people. Since, fun fact: they hate blackwashing as much as other people.
Pictured: The "Why does it bother you so much when a character is drawn as black?" crowd when a dark-skinned character is drawn with an ever so slightly lighter skin tone.
Maybe I'm wrong here, and that's fine because everyone has their own opinion, but the main reason why I see a drawing like this being an issue is that it's a redraw of an already existing drawing/frame not done by the artist themselves. If the artist added stuff (more than just making Momo's lips fatter and giving Okarun an Afro) appropriate to the culture, and if the setting itself was different then this would be less of an issue to me. Same reason why Brazillian Miku isn't an issue. Brazillian Miku drawings for the most part were their own thing. Miku also exists to be altered. I don't think the same can be said here.
That being said, idk why this piece sparked this much debate and outrage. There's more important things to lose your head to.
Glad to see this kind of disingenuous reply has made its way onto Danbooru as well.
Anyway, as I've mentioned in my previous comment, a lot of people, and this includes some Japanese users as well (judging from the QRTs of this tweet and bkub's art), wouldn't have minded this kind of art so much, artistic freedom and all that.
What I (and they) don't like is the absolute hypocrisy and double standard coming from one side.
Anyway, as I've mentioned in my previous comment, a lot of people, and this includes some Japanese users as well (judging from the QRTs of this tweet and bkub's art), wouldn't have minded this kind of art so much, artistic freedom and all that.
What I (and they) don't like is the absolute hypocrisy and double standard coming from one side.
I would be surprised if most of the users downvoting the image took the time to find out what the artist's actual views are on this.
Anyway, as I've mentioned in my previous comment, a lot of people, and this includes some Japanese users as well (judging from the QRTs of this tweet and bkub's art), wouldn't have minded this kind of art so much, artistic freedom and all that.
What I (and they) don't like is the absolute hypocrisy and double standard coming from one side.
For the record, I don't mind both. I agree with Provence's statement about "letting artists express themselves". The world won't explode because some character's skin is now a different colour. See post #8289452.
Feel free to point out the hypocrisy when you see it, but I don't see why you need to condemn this artist in particular. The drawing is fine. If you still want to mald at it then refer to my top comment in this thread.
I wonder why headshop is banned and frowned upon, but this slightly more advanced version deserves protection from some Approvers and is generally worthy of uploading to the site. These are redrawn heads on an anime screenshot with a little bit of weird staining on the clothes (the clothes themselves and the outlines are left untouched).
Some will think it's great ragebait and upload it to the site, others will try to be objective, but when they see the flag they will secretly think "it must be because of racism" and lower the quality bar for the actual borderline content a little
To sum it up, I would say that today shitty and almost universally hated posts have even more armor than average or even just beautiful art because of the vicious circle of suspicions from two opposing camps (you're a racist! And you're a ragebaiter!). It's unthinkable, unacceptable and extremely shameful, but I hope that sooner or later these posts will become a monument to how someone was once ready to sow discord in the community and ruin the overall quality of arts on my favorite site just for the sake of raising their mood for 1 day.
A large part of Twitter has flipped completely on this one in the past day or so, since the artist was almost forced to delete it, and another viral post went around making fun of how they locked their account (where it was clearly visible that the artist is just 16). The English VA's avatar change was part of a wave of people supporting them against harassment, as well as a nod to him actually being a black actor playing the character.
A large part of Twitter has flipped completely on this one in the past day or so, since the artist was almost forced to delete it, and another viral post went around making fun of how they locked their account (where it was clearly visible that the artist is just 16). The English VA's avatar change was part of a wave of people supporting them against harassment, as well as a nod to him actually being a black actor playing the character.
It seems all this "artist" does is blackwash and blackface edit art work of other people and declare it their own work. so they're not even an actual artist working for a image but a ragebaiter who's intentionally doing this for clicks on twitter. Edit: and that tweet you linked wasn't about deleting the post, it was about killing people who disagreed with their blackwashing.
They should probably learn what punctuation or line breaks are. That sentence literally says "I want to delete so many racist people."
Don't act like cd young is just making up lies. Anyone would get the same meaning from that sentence.
Anyone except for every single user in the replies and almost all of the quote tweets, apparently. Forgive me for thinking people should think twice before falsely accusing artists of making death threats.
I know this is the kind of post that rustles Danboorians' jimmies as expected, but let's not vandalise the post at the bare minimum please. If you don't like it, downvote it and move on. If you think it's poor quality, then flag it (and bring a good reason, such as actually making an effort to point out what's low quality about it). And chill. Long comment section for what'll amount to virtually nothing at the end of the day when you guys forget about it. This time's better spent contributing in some way to the site or on something else in or off the site.
Anyone except for every single user in the replies and almost all of the quote tweets, apparently. Forgive me for thinking people should think twice before falsely accusing artists of making death threats.
Maybe you just need to be exposed to bad grammar on a regular basis to parse the true meaning easily. I can believe the intention was more benign than it appears at first glance, but I’m still internally facepalming at how it was worded.
Regardless, I don’t think we should be discussing too deeply the motivations of an underage artist that’s currently in the crosshairs. Nothing good can come of it.
I don't think it's racist to dislike art like this but I do think it's a little embarrassing to throw a temper tantrum about it instead of just scrolling and moving on with your day... Personally I think the art is cute, if you don't that's fine too. I'm getting real tired of these comment sections.
But people online are always gonna fight about something I guess
I wish you guys would stop uploading these super controversial raceswaps for the purpose of baiting a reaction out of the commenters too, especially when the artist's a kid.
I wonder why headshop is banned and frowned upon, but this slightly more advanced version deserves protection from some Approvers and is generally worthy of uploading to the site. These are redrawn heads on an anime screenshot with a little bit of weird staining on the clothes (the clothes themselves and the outlines are left untouched).
Some will think it's great ragebait and upload it to the site, others will try to be objective, but when they see the flag they will secretly think "it must be because of racism" and lower the quality bar for the actual borderline content a little
To sum it up, I would say that today shitty and almost universally hated posts have even more armor than average or even just beautiful art because of the vicious circle of suspicions from two opposing camps (you're a racist! And you're a ragebaiter!). It's unthinkable, unacceptable and extremely shameful, but I hope that sooner or later these posts will become a monument to how someone was once ready to sow discord in the community and ruin the overall quality of arts on my favorite site just for the sake of raising their mood for 1 day.
You're acting like you can look into the heads of approvers. You can't.
A headshop is a minor edit relative to the the total image, this is a redraw. If you need me to explain the difference I encourage you to take a reading comprehension course before jumping to conclusions.
You're acting like you can look into the heads of approvers. You can't.
A headshop is a minor edit relative to the the total image, this is a redraw. If you need me to explain the difference I encourage you to take a reading comprehension course before jumping to conclusions.
"Redraw" It's literally traced or drawn over. You don't copy lines that accurately "redrawing" something.
Some parts of it weren't even touched. It's so clearly just an edited image.
Traced and plagiarised works fall under derivative work according to the wiki. This is not a third-party edit so please don't add the tag.
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It is an edit, though. Look at it. The background. Momo's clothes. Literally any part of it. It's clearly just an edited screen cap. Look at asset #24107094. You're not going to tell me they traced 100% of the image, including the background. And then say, "Yeah, that's fine, that's exactly the kind of art Danbooru wants: images that have been entirely and totally traced from an anime creencap."
It is an edit, though. Look at it. The background. Momo's clothes. Literally any part of it. It's clearly just an edited screen cap. Look at asset #24107094. You're not going to tell me they traced 100% of the image, including the background. And then say, "Yeah, that's fine, that's exactly the kind of art Danbooru wants: images that have been entirely and totally traced from an anime creencap."
I'm not going to repeat myself again. Traced and plagiarised works fall under derivative work according to the wiki. Do not add third-party edit to this post.
blindVigil said: The background.
The background being the same doesn't change anything. Not much different to screenshot background which is allowed.
I'm not going to repeat myself again. Traced and plagiarised works fall under derivative work according to the wiki. Do not add third-party edit to this post.
The background being the same doesn't change anything. Not much different to screenshot background which is allowed.
Now you're just being intentionally obstinate. There are multiple spots that make it obvious the image was just drawn over. The only reason the backgrounds would be perfectly identical like they are is if this was drawn over the original screen cap. The backgrounds wouldn't perfectly align behind the characters otherwise. Look at Momo's shoulder, where the artist clearly drew over the outlines, but still left part of the original outline visible. cd young wasn't lying when he said that the artist edits screen caps. There are multiple examples on their twitter.
I do not give a shit that "Traced and plagiarised works fall under derivative work according to the wiki." because this is not traced. It is edited. They drew over the screencap. Please don't repeat yourself, you will look like a fool.
The only reason I haven't flagged this image for being against the rules is because I can't until three days pass.
I do not give a shit that "Traced and plagiarised works fall under derivative work according to the wiki." because this is not traced. It is edited. They drew over the screencap. Please don't repeat yourself, you will look like a fool.
If they drew over the screencap, is that not tracing?
If they drew over the screencap, is that not tracing?
No, that's editing. Tracing would be attempting to create a wholly new image by tracing a different image. They didn't create a new image, they drew over an existing one. It's not screenshot background because they didn't use a screenshot as a background, they just drew over pre-existing elements in the original screenshot. This is just the original screenshot with some parts of it drawn over. Maybe if they drew over all of the outlines, you could argue it was traced, but they only draw over parts of them. You can very easily tell which parts of the image the artist didn't touch.
No, that's editing. Tracing would be attempting to create a wholly new image by tracing a different image. They didn't create a new image, they drew over an existing one. It's not screenshot background because they didn't use a screenshot as a background, they just drew over pre-existing elements in the original screenshot. This is just the original screenshot with some parts of it drawn over. Maybe if they drew over all of the outlines, you could argue it was traced, but they only draw over parts of them. You can very easily tell which parts of the image the artist didn't touch.
I think if this were a different image that wasn't raceswapped then you would agree it's traced. Right now it looks like you're trying to make up excuses as to why it's a third-party edit while gaslighting yourself into changing the definition of tracing. I can't add anything else to this conversation because it looks like you've already made up your mind. I'll just say if you keep adding third-party edit to this post then a mod will have to intervene because that is tag vandalism.
I think if this were a different image that wasn't raceswapped then you would agree it's traced. Right now it looks like you're trying to make up excuses as to why it's a third-party edit while gaslighting yourself into changing the definition of tracing. I can't add anything else to this conversation because it looks like you've already made up your mind. I'll just say if you keep adding third-party edit to this post then a mod will have to intervene because that is tag vandalism.
I'll simplify it. Why is it an edit? Because parts of the original image are still present. No, I don't mean the background. Doesn't matter if they drew over the outlines and repainted it. Most of the original outlines are still present. That means it's not a new image, it's an edited one. I've seen the artist's original works. They do not have the skill to replicate someone else's work with this level of accuracy. They're not that good yet.
I don't even know how you can look at her shoulder and not see it. The original line is literally right there, and it looks nothing like the line the artist tried to cover it with.
Also don't start trying to subtly imply I'm just racist. The post breaks the rules. I'd call out any other post for the same thing. I already messaged a mod about this.
My opinion: If the black people think their ethnicity were been ignoring in the popular cultural works, why don't they creat their own works more instead of blackenize the existing characters? After all, it's not the Japanese who once taken them as slaves and discriminated them.
The fact you receive upvotes is mind-boggling sometimes. Screencap redraw. There you go. It's literally the same as post #8545194.
Half of this image is undeniably the original, unaltered screencap. That makes it an edit.
I don't really understand why this is so hard to grasp. It being a screenshot redraw doesn't change that the artist painted over parts of an existing image. In literally any other situation that would be objectively against the rules. It was such an amateurish job, too, they left evidence of it all over the image.
What is even the point of your example? Are you suggesting that one is also an edit of the original screencap? It's clearly not just from a quick comparison. That artist definitely drew that image from scratch. It's also a really nice piece.
No, that's editing. Tracing would be attempting to create a wholly new image by tracing a different image. They didn't create a new image, they drew over an existing one. It's not screenshot background because they didn't use a screenshot as a background, they just drew over pre-existing elements in the original screenshot. This is just the original screenshot with some parts of it drawn over. Maybe if they drew over all of the outlines, you could argue it was traced, but they only draw over parts of them. You can very easily tell which parts of the image the artist didn't touch.
THeir twitter is full of just color "corrected" artwork form other sources. like their repainted version of Rappa's offical splash art.
I don't really understand why this is so hard to grasp. It being a screenshot redraw doesn't change that the artist painted over parts of an existing image. In literally any other situation that would be objectively against the rules. It was such an amateurish job, too, they left evidence of it all over the image.
"Literally any other situation" is a bit of a stretch. This type of thing has been on Danbooru forever and would ordinarily be considered borderline content (random examples: post #892726, post #1300230, children of post #7252811, post #8402761, a lot of pool #2757). The third-party edit tag is normally used for posts with much less actual drawing than this. If you want to do a flag sweep and say all these posts don't deserve to be here, then that's one thing, but this post is only being singled out in the first place because it was already getting constantly bumped and downvote bombed.
"Literally any other situation" is a bit of a stretch. This type of thing has been on Danbooru forever and would ordinarily be considered borderline content (random examples: post #892726, post #1300230, children of post #7252811, post #8402761, a lot of pool #2757). The third-party edit tag is normally used for posts with much less actual drawing than this. If you want to do a flag sweep and say all these posts don't deserve to be here, then that's one thing, but this post is only being singled out in the first place because it was already getting constantly bumped and downvote bombed.
post #1300230 doesn't really look like the same situation to me. It might have been traced, but otherwise it looks like it was drawn separately, not outright edited. The rest of your examples, besides the pool because I'm not going through 8 pages looking for problems, look pretty iffy to me (post #836381 at least should be flagged for low quality, but grandfather clause or whatever).
My issue isn't that they're drawing over or tracing art, though my opinion of that isn't high, it's that they did such a bad job of it that it's obviously a poorly done edit.
Compare it to post #8544114 from the artist. It's the same thing, they just drew over Mitsuri, and I know they did because they left part of her collar untouched. However, as far as I can tell without the original screencap to compare, Mitsuri is otherwise entirely redrawn. I think that's good enough. The work the artist did looks fine besides that one leftover spot. Unless someone else points out more issues with it, I have no problem with that post.
That's not the case here. If they had entirely redrawn Ken and Momo, I wouldn't have an issue with it. But they didn't, the only parts they redrew were the heads and hands, they left everything else mostly untouched besides some superfluous edits. They didn't redraw the bodies at all. They barely touched anything other than the parts they needed to change to raceswap the characters. My opinion is that this particular piece is barely better than a headshop or nude filter.
BlindVigil is right in this case, it is an edit. Heck you can call it a paint over if you want to be more specific it would not be considered traced art since traced art never have the original element from the reference in the final piece. So i'll say this part again when you see how they make these edits it's a paint over not a trace. Also said artist sells those paint overs as well... so that's another can of worms.
If you can't draw and create something of your own then take someone else's work, change the colours and give yourself authorship. Profit! And why do the same people get pissed off when a dark-skinned character is drawn a couple of shades lighter, yet when they make a light-skinned character into a black character - you can't criticise, otherwise it's racist. "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others."
For all ypu brainrots who hating on art just bec...know what nevermind if yall wanna get pressed over fictional a Characters theres somethimg really wrang with you
