I always look at pics like these and can't help but speculate that the artist had such a tough time with the Elden Soulsborne boss that they release their frustrations through pieces like this.
because there ain't no way that this generic ass elf mage who's from a generic Magic the Gathering/D&D/Isekai setting is defeating the literal god of the Elden Ring verse that easily.
there's literally a demigod who conquered the stars themselves just so he could keep all the horrors of the void at bay, and he is far beneath the Elden Beast.
before you go off, try to separate fixed gameplay mechanics from real combat, if there were a tv series of Elden Ring rest assured battles wouldn't just be contained in a small area blocked off by fog where a tarnished performs 50 roles per minute and his foe can be stun-locked to death.
I always look at pics like these and can't help but speculate that the artist had such a tough time with the Elden Soulsborne boss that they release their frustrations through pieces like this.
because there ain't no way that this generic ass elf mage who's from a generic Magic the Gathering/D&D/Isekai setting is defeating the literal god of the Elden Ring verse that easily.
there's literally a demigod who conquered the stars themselves just so he could keep all the horrors of the void at bay, and he is far beneath the Elden Beast.
before you go off, try to separate fixed gameplay mechanics from real combat, if there were a tv series of Elden Ring rest assured battles wouldn't just be contained in a small area blocked off by fog where a tarnished performs 50 roles per minute and his foe can be stun-locked to death.
this guy just take crossover art way too seriously go learn to control your emo this is not even VS website
How to say you didn't watch Frieren without saying you didn't watch Frieren:
winkywonker said:
there ain't no way that this generic ass elf mage who's from a generic Magic the Gathering/D&D/Isekai setting is defeating the literal god of the Elden Ring verse that easily.
because there ain't no way that this generic ass elf mage who's from a generic Magic the Gathering/D&D/Isekai setting is defeating the literal god of the Elden Ring verse that easily.
If one of the strongest mages in that setting you clearly didn't watch can't do it, then who are you suggesting can? Keep in mind that the tarnished are themselves entirely mortal humans and devoid of any godly powers like Radahn, with their only real advantage being the ability to revive after dying, something only granted to them if they have the Guidance of Grace. "But the Elden Beast is an omniscient god!" Yeah and it was killed by a very stubborn human with infinite retries that could have had as little as a loincloth and a club.
Ignoring game mechanics doesn't really change that the Protagonist has no known achievements prior to heeding the call of Grace and by all accounts is a complete nobody, but can still defeat the Elden Beast solo. But a powerful mage with 1000 years of experience can't do it?
How to say you didn't watch Frieren without saying you didn't watch Frieren:
it's about an emotionless depressed Mary Su of an elf mage with no familial lineage who finds her purpose in knowing, learning about & raising future generations of heroes to be more than just the best in their field by not just teaching them to raise their power level but also to teach them to be better people through lessons from her personal experiences from her prolonged life as an elf, at least that's what I gathered from watching the first ep.
it's a bit depressing and not my cup of tea, it has stunning animation & story-wise it has a half-decent plot, but, like most anime serials, the show is very much generic as a whole.
it's just another series where the hype mainly comes from its animation more than anything else like most anime these days.
bunkhead said:
But a powerful mage with 1000 years of experience can't do it?
yes.
revival is a hax power that even the all-powerful Frieren would lose against eventually, especially if the person who can revive can grind against endless hordes of enemies of all types until they are powerful enough to solo her, the same can be said for the Elden Beast or any boss in a elden soulsborne game.
you forget to recognize that these gods, demigods, ethereal, magical, eldrich beasts that we face are by all means impossible for the naked man with a stick to beat without endless revival and constant grinding, two things that Frieren does not have, she ONLY has 1000 years of experience, and the last time I checked the shattering happened 5000 years before the events within the game take place, so I'll play nice & disregard the life they all had before the shattering and say 1000 years of exp in relative peace with some bouts in between vs 5000 years of constant warring and survival in a post-apocalyptic setting, you choose.
Frieren isn't a Mary Sue. Mary Sues are perfect and flawless, but Frieren isn't - she's not a morning person, she has trouble understanding and empathizing with people, her sense of time is whack, she always falls for the mimic chest trap even when it's clear it's a mimic chest. She has at least twice as many flaws as she has strengths. Her favorite spell is a spell to create a flower field. She has a box full of useless knick-knacks (like a potion that only dissolves clothes). Her hobby is collecting weird super-niche spells - like a spell to make grapes sour or a spell to clean clothes. In short, she's a goofy goober.
raise their power level
You've been watching too many gamified isekais, there are no hard-coded power levels in Frieren. No HP bar, no stats, no skills, no nothing - this is the good old Tolkien shit!
but also to teach them to be better people through lessons from her personal experiences from her prolonged life
Other way around, Frieren learns to be more human-like, even if still stoic, from her friends.
1000 years of exp in relative peace
WRONG! "Relative peace" as you call it has only existed since the first scene of the first episode. Before that the world has been under constant threat by demons, who live by the creed of might makes right. Frieren has been training and preparing to fight and killing demons for almost all her life.
like most anime serials, the show is very much generic as a whole.
it's just another series where the hype mainly comes from its animation more than anything else like most anime these days.
And this right here is why we have the three episode rule. You are just so utterly wrong. Like, how do you know that it's the same as all the rest when you haven't even watched it? Even from the first episode it's clear that it's different - the color palette and character designs are restrained, the usual "quest" to defeat the demon lord that is the whole point of the story is already over, there is no sense of urgency or even a hint of danger. Even despite the battles Frieren feels kind of like a iyashikei slice-of-life story.
Frieren isn't a Mary Sue. Mary Sues are perfect and flawless, but Frieren isn't
having bad character traits doesn't take away from the fact that she's pretty much unbeatable in her universe.
and the fact that she doesn't learn about the basics of human emotion and how to be more human within the first century of her life honestly takes me out of it, that and the fact that she has no parents, grandparents, aunties, uncles, or siblings to perhaps teach her these basic facts from early on in her life so she won't have to struggle so hard with it in the current story.
character-development-wise not learning about human emotion from the first century of life or having no family to teach her the basics is all just a bit too unrealistic for me to appreciate the messages conveyed through said character's struggles, especially when she's pretty much already the most powerful character in the series, imagine a slice of life western cartoon of post-infinite crisis Superman, it's like that, not very interesting to me.
hell, she should've learned how to be human through the journey she had with the hero party itself, was there no character progression or character development during those supposedly very dangerous and tough 10 years of adventuring?
what about all the near-death experiences against overwhelming foes who've killed well-known & well-beloved characters that party members had grown up with that gave their lives so the party could escape, mern over the loss and then find cause & determination to go through years-long training arcs in order to defeat said foes? what about the level of comradery that's gained through such hard-hitting experiences like that? did she feel nothing?
See this is what I mean when I call it "generic" or "half-decant", Tolkien would've filled in that story and would've made a masterpiece out of it along with extra stories that go into extensive detail about every twig, branch & rock so much as glanced upon along the journey.
bunkhead said:
this is the good old Tolkien shit!
you're comparing a decant anime to that of Tolkien's Legendarium brother, in the name of the holy God-Emperor please proceed to the nearest field to quite firmly tough every leaf of grass on said field.
bunkhead said:
Frieren has been training and preparing to fight and killing demons for almost all her life.
exactly, demons, basic Magic the Gathering demons, not gods, demigods or eldrich abominations with rich backstories filled with tragedy, loss, corruption, & evil.
bunkhead said:
And this right here is why we have the three episode rule. You are just so utterly wrong.
I stopped watching because I got the overall gist of the plot and knew then and there that I wouldn't like it, I'm not saying it's a bad anime, it's clearly decent judging by the fanfare & love it's received, but it's just a story that doesn't pique my interest personally.
I'm all for the adventure itself and the varied different ways said adventure can be told depending on the author, not a story of what comes afterwards the likes of which is set in a generic D&D setting, the colour palette is nice but the character designs are pretty much the same you'd find in any other isekai/modern fantasy adventure anime, all and all just a basic setting with a twist.
Why bother? You formed that opinion without having watched the show based on fundamental misunderstandings of its plot and themes, and already rejected an explanation from someone who actually watched it. You're never going to accept anything anyone says on this topic, it's just arguing for arguing's sake. It's pretty obviously a waste of time to do anything more than make fun of you.
having bad character traits doesn't take away from the fact that she's pretty much unbeatable in her universe.
You need to expand your worldview, just because the main character is overpowered doesn't mean that it's a generic power fantasy - just look at One-Punch Man. Most of the problems that Frieren and her friends have to solve aren't the kind that can be beat into submission with a saturation attack.
and the fact that she doesn't learn about the basics of human emotion and how to be more human within the first century of her life honestly takes me out of it, that and the fact that she has no parents, grandparents, aunties, uncles, or siblings to perhaps teach her these basic facts from early on in her life so she won't have to struggle so hard with it in the current story.
All of her village was killed by the demons when she was a kid, you asshole. But you'd know that if you watched the show.
imagine a slice of life western cartoon of post-infinite crisis Superman, it's like that, not very interesting to me.
That actually sounds kind of interesting. And that you don't like it is very indicative of your under-developed taste.
hell, she should've learned how to be human through the journey she had with the hero party itself, was there no character progression or character development during those supposedly very dangerous and tough 10 years of adventuring?
Your imagination is lacking. A race of mega long-lived people wouldn't have the same sense of urgency as us, who barely manage to reach 100 at the best of times. Their culture, upbringing, mentality would all be different. So, I can imagine that she would take the ten years she spent with Himmel very lightly because to her it's a drop in the bucket.
See this is what I mean when I call it "generic" or "half-decant", Tolkien would've filled in that story and would've made a masterpiece out of it along with extra stories that go into extensive detail about every twig, branch & rock so much as glanced upon along the journey.
You can't criticize a show for not revealing the cards up it's sleeve when you haven't watched it. We get glimpses of Frieren's past and her adventures as it progresses. You praise Tolkien for having a very rich and detailed history of events but I bet you haven't bothered to actually read any of it.
exactly, demons, basic Magic the Gathering demons
WRONG AGAIN! These aren't the basic-bitch demons you know! They don't understand humans any better than Frieren. They don't form family units, they only use words like "love" and "honor" as tools to fool humans into letting down their guard, they can't imagine that someone would hide their power at all times.
I stopped watching because I got the overall gist of the plot
then refute my points with facts, I'm clearly not gonna watch it so spoil it for me and use the knowledge you have of the story to prove my presumptions wrong, use black bars for sentences that contain spoilers, hit me with enough knowledge of the plot that it may pique my interest enough to give it a shot, you've always been one to give up so easily, how about you try not to for once.
then refute my points with facts, I'm clearly not gonna watch it so spoil it for me and use the knowledge you have of the story to prove my presumptions wrong, use black bars for sentences that contain spoilers, hit me with enough knowledge of the plot that it may pique my interest enough to give it a shot, you've always been one to give up so easily, how about you try not to for once.
"I'm not gonna watch it" "hit me with enough knowledge of the plot that it may pique my interest enough to give it a shot" Holy shit you are mentally ill.
L taken, you've given me enough info of the series to pique my interest so I'll watch it at some point, but with that being said my original point still stands, a mage without revival and grinding is not beating a god like this.
L taken, you've given me enough info of the series to pique my interest so I'll watch it at some point, but with that being said my original point still stands, a mage without revival and grinding is not beating a god like this.
You can beat Elden Ring without upgrading the gear you start with or gaining a single level and without dying once. Doing so is just as canon an outcome as dying a thousand times and grinding to max level.
Don't even start with "but that's not realistic", neither is instantly learning spells or being an expert in every weapon you pick up without training. "Realistically", someone in the Tarnished's position would use the same fighting style the whole journey, unless it took them years to do it, and "realistically" someone like the Tarnished could never defeat the Elden Beast. "Realistically" dying over and over would break a person (that's even demonstrated repeatedly in the Souls games). Nothing about this situation is realistic, so why is Frieren held back by "logic" when nothing in Elden Ring is logical and everything is contrived by gameplay mechanics?
the fact that Frieren is not subject to those game mechanics like the tarnished means the boundaries that said mechanics sets are broken thus unleashing the full unnerfed power of the bosses to be used to their fullest.
now things become a lot more chaotic, now an unknown amount of moves learned through possibly tens of thousands of years of combat & spellcasting experience can be used, now Radahn can drop a meteor the size of Madaras and obliterate all of Kaelid, now Malenia can eviscerate her opp in seconds with the goddess of rot awakening, now Plecidusax can stop time to nuke you with a lightning bolt that's powerful enough to blow the very arena you're fighting him in into smithereens, now Radagon can use incantations to fully block you from using any magic, now Rennela can outperform Frieren in every way in a contest between mages, now Astel can swallow you in a black hole, and now the Elden Beast can hoop you through every dimension from the 1st to the 76th like he's prime Michael Jordan and fuck with you in ways you can't even imagine.
If you wanna break the rules then be my guest, but it isn't gonna end well for your girl if the demigods are given free rein to mollywop her all over and up & down the very lands they each lord over, Ms Pointy Ears needs to check her privilege.
"I'm not gonna watch it" "hit me with enough knowledge of the plot that it may pique my interest enough to give it a shot" Holy shit you are mentally ill.
yeah and I believe this guy is a kid too like. . . you know kid can be so piss off by just art about their fav character get defeat by another character