Tag Alias: frills -> ruffles

They're the same thing. Wikipedia has frill_(fashion) redirected to ruffle.

Once these are sorted then I can start fixing pictures where ruffles are tagged lace.

I'd rather it went the other way. I must say I've never seen the word "ruffle" before; it's gonna be confusing for non-native speakers we have here. Frill is much more common and understandable.

+1 for ruffles. I disagree that it's a rare word, 葉月. It's also a more appropriate word than "frills", since it specifically refers to the phenomenon that on danbooru we are tagging either as frills or ruffles, whereas "frills" seems to be a more general word, especially since it's used so often metaphorically.

I'm not married to either term, myself. Both are common words; frills has the added meaning of "unnecessary extras", while ruffles has the added meaning of "corrugated potato chips", so as far as I can see it's a toss-up.

It depends on what we want the tag to mean. I don't use it myself, and there is no wiki entry, and I don't really feel like going through 2000 posts to get a feel for it, but to me:

ruffles = pleated or "corrugated" as ds2096 said
fringe = edge cut into strips
lace = fine net-like arrangement, or hole-laden fabric

And frills would cover any of these. If we want any aesthetic embellishment apply, we ought not pass the alias request.

On a side note, we need to establish some ground rules for fringe, it's mostly being used for bangs, with a few of the clothing embellishments thrown in. I move that we sort bangs out and put them in their own tag, and set a rule to keep fringe for embellishments.

I guess I agree with Shinjidude, that we might as well keep them separate. Not sure exactly what posts we'd use frills on then, though.

I just tend to prefer using frills, for whatever reason (I don't have much preference). It goes with the sometimes used フリル tag on Pixiv as well.

Frills could be used as a super-tag for any of the above. We could even implicate if we cared to. I don't know that it's necessary though.

Shinjidude, that's just not correct. Frills are not just any clothing embellishment, they're specifically the same thing as ruffles. Here's a dictionary link: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/frill%5B2%5D

The alternate dictionary meaning for "frills" is any sort of extra, like the packet of peanuts on an airline flight--it's not a catch-all for things on the edge of a piece of cloth. If you were to describe fringe or lace with the word "frill" around a clothier, you would definitely get some funny looks.

I don't think a clothier would use it that way, but in my mind (and seemingly others in this thread) definition 3b is the one that jumps to mind first, which as "something decorative or useful and desirable but not essential" applies to fringe or lace as well as ruffles.

It's a case of a term having both specific and general meanings, and the specific meaning not as common outside specialists who use the term.

In that case, it should be applied not only to every picture on Danbooru, but to the site itself.

I suppose you could say that... not that it's useful, and that's not really the right meaning (prescriptive definitions often aren't spot on). It's more like anything ornamental in addition to the basic design.

In any case I don't see how making a hyperbolic exaggeration helps your argument.

I'm saying that definition 3b is too general to be useful as a tag. If "frills" is used to mean "something that is decorative or useful and desirable but not essential" then it does not stipulate "...on the edge of a piece of fabric." If it's used in its definition as something on the edge of a piece of fabric, then it has a specific meaning that does not include lace and fringe (unless the lace is frilled).

This isn't the first time I've had this kind of argument. I don't understand why people fight so hard against being correct.

Well for one thing if there is an unambiguous synonym for the term you want ruffles, then there is no good reason not to use it instead.

Secondly, just because what I'm referring to happens to be on the edge of a piece of fabric doesn't mean definition 3b doesn't apply. In fact that's one of the contexts "frills" is most often used in.

Third, I'm not saying you are incorrect in your interpretation, only that there are other commonly held interpretations (no less correct) that lead it to being a less than ideal tag for what you want.

Please note the title of this topic. I did suggest frills -> ruffles. Ruffles is unambiguous, and unambiguity is good.

What I'm arguing against here is your suggestion of using "frills" as meaning "ruffles, lace, and/or fringe", which is not most people's common use for the word.

I can't speak for most people, but that's how I would use it. I'm not a fashion designer though, so I may not be using terms technically appropriately. The fact that my interpretation is bolstered by a dictionary definition leads me to beleive it's not strictly wrong however. Many terms change meaning slightly when used by laypeople.

Odd one, since frills is a strip of fabric that can be ruffled or pleated. So they should go into together.

I prefer to use ruffles, because I get the meaning of the word based on it's appearance on various things.

I would simplify lace as fabric containing patterns of holes, or intricate works.