Valkyrie Profile Implications and "Alicia" tag discussion

Implications:

valkyrie_profile_lenneth -> valkyrie_profile
valkyrie_profile_2_silmeria -> valkyrie_profile

I'm going to go through and sort the VP images by which entry they belong to, so here are implications for each game title to series title.

alicia is the main character of the second game, currently she is tagged as both alicia and alicia_(valkyrie_profile). alicia is a 24 post tag containing 12 images of Alicia from VP, 10 of Alicia from bullet_witch and 2 of other characters named Alicia. alicia_(valkyrie_profile) has 13 posts.

By my count, that gives us 25 for VP alicia, more than double the Bullet Witch girl. So unless anyone can come up with a good reason not to, I'm going to change all the VP Alicia posts to alicia and add qualifiers to the Bullet Witch and other characters. I've already checked and she doesn't have a last name, annoyingly.

I've also already edited silmeria and hrist to silmeria_valkyrie and hrist_valkyrie to account for their proper names.

All sounds fine. Someone will undoubtedly argue that we should just qualify all of them, but I don't think we need to do so at the moment.

Did the implications.

All in all though that's not a lot of posts. It's been awhile since the game came out and it has only gained 25 images? It wouldn't be all that hard for a new character to crop up and displace her as the lead, which kind of makes me side with using the _(valkyrie_profile) tag for her. Alicia as a name will likely appear somewhat frequently in use.

Just saying my concerns, I don't really care if she is given the Alicia tag or not.

NWF_Renim said:
It wouldn't be all that hard for a new character to crop up and displace her as the lead, which kind of makes me side with using the _(valkyrie_profile) tag for her. Alicia as a name will likely appear somewhat frequently in use.

Maybe, but why not just deal with it when it actually happens? (if it ever does in the first place...) There's no sense in adding a qualifier now if it's pointless for the time being and may continue to be pointless.

Speaking of which, all Valkyrie Profile characters currently use US instead of Japanese names. That's alright, I suppose? (I don't really care, but surprised no one had brought it up).

I can't imagine anyone would be searching for the japanese names. Its not, exactly, the most popular franchise around.

EB said: Maybe, but why not just deal with it when it actually happens? (if it ever does in the first place...)

This.

Speaking of which, all Valkyrie Profile characters currently use US instead of Japanese names. That's alright, I suppose? (I don't really care, but surprised no one had brought it up).

God damn, this is why I hate tags for games. =P This is never a problem with anime! Or rarely anyway, as almost no shows get name changes anymore and almost nobody is in favor of using the changed names in the rare cases they do.

With games though? God, it almost seems like changing the names is standard practice.

Someone go tell game localizers to knock that the heck off please. It's making things complicated for me.

A few weeks back I moved a few of the pictures from alicia to alicia_(valkyrie_profile), but then I realized exactly what Fencedude said: that Alicia from VP made up a bulk of the images, and it seemed kind of silly to add the qualifier to her images.

Since usually characters have a last name, and since Danbooru tends to use full names, I don't think it's too likely some new, popular, single-name Alicia will come along to replace her. A recent example would be how Alicia from Valkyria Chronicles goes by alicia_melchiott.

It's actually pretty surprising Alicia from VP didn't have a last name, especially considering she was royalty.

jxh2154 said:
With games though? God, it almost seems like changing the names is standard practice.

Someone go tell game localizers to knock that the heck off please. It's making things complicated for me.

There's some changes that could cause confusion too. For instance, Frei became Freya and Freya became Frei (one reason I wouldn't advocate Japanese names in this case @_@ ). I think almost all of the name changes were with the first Valkyrie Profile game, though. I think all or most of the character introduced in VP2 didn't have any changed names (thankfully), but the US release is consistent with changes made in the first game for the returning characters.

Speaking of Freya, seems there are two tags that need to be aliased:
freya_(vp)
freya_(valkyrie_profile)

Yeah, I knew about the Freya tags.

I'll deal with this later, playing the actual game at the moment.

EB said: For instance, Frei became Freya and Freya became Frei

Wow, I may just murder whoever made that decision.

Did the PSP re-release change anything around/back?

T5J8F8 said:
Did the PSP re-release change anything around/back?

I've never played the PSP version but I would assume they used the exact same translation from what I've heard about it. They didn't change any names back around for Valkyrie Profile 2 (as I mentioned, they're consistent with original Valkyrie Profile), so why would they there?

EB said:
I've never played the PSP version but I would assume they used the exact same translation from what I've heard about it.

Not just the same translation, but the same dub.

The names in VP are a bit of a mess. I'm pretty convinced that changing "Frei" to "Freya" in the English version was an attempt to correct a poor understanding/disregard of the Norse mythology in the original (since Frei/Fray is supposed to be the male god... even though she ended up a chick, regardless).

Most of the characters aren't on Danbooru anyway, but in case you do want to alias them, the other changes include:
Aluze > Arngrim
Ahly > Hrist
Benelus > Belinas
Laurie > Llewelyn (What?)
Roufa > Lawfer
Jake Linas > Janus (Only Lezard gets a surname)
Amy > Aelia
Kashel > Kashell
Badluck > Badrach
Lucio > Lucian
Sherad > Jelanda
Yumeru > Yumei
Meltina > Mystina
Ganossa > Gandar
J.D. Wallace > Genevieve (wat)

So yeah, the original names are pretty bad. I'm with EB on this one--the English version just makes life easier.

Well, we've gone that way for FFT (assuming the Japanese renditions aren't as...Ivalician as ours). "Balflear" stands, but his is a singlular name in a cast of few.

solomon said:
Laurie > Llewelyn (What?)

Like you said, VP's original names were very, very half-assed. Calling Llewelyn "Laurie" in the western version would have confused the everloving crap out of everyone, seeing as he's a GUY.

To get an idea of how little research the original team did, Muspellsheim is depicted as the land of ICE. A lot of the names were changed so that they would have something to do with Nordic lore instead of just being... dudes. Arngrim has some similarities with the mythological Arngrim, for example.

Since the mis-tagging was partially my fault and everyone else has been busy I went ahead and made the following changes:

- alicia is no longer ambiguous and pertains solely to the VP character; alicia_(vp) and alicia_(valkyrie_profile) were removed/cleared out
- alicia_(bullet_witch) was created to house her 10 images
- alicia_(tear_ring_saga) and alicia_(riot/rush) were created for the single images of those characters
- freya_(vp) images were moved over to freya_(valkyrie_profile)

i noticed very late in the Alicia tagging that there was a valkyrie_profile_2 tag that is almost never used (only 2 of the 25 Alicia images have it), not sure what should be done about that. Maybe make the alicia tag imply it?

The tag Alicia should be (and now is again) ambiguious because there is more than one alicia, regardless of the fact that the tag only points to one. The wiki entry should point you to the others.

Ambiguious single-name character tags should not have an implication to anything.

Log said:
The wiki entry should point you to the others.

There wasn't a wiki entry there already, so created one, with links to all of the characters currently named alicia (on a alicia* tag search).

Log said:
The tag Alicia should be (and now is again) ambiguious because there is more than one alicia, regardless of the fact that the tag only points to one. The wiki entry should point you to the others.

Ambiguious single-name character tags should not have an implication to anything.

Ah, okay. My mistake.