Aliasing girls_playing_games -> playing_games
Reason: girls_playing_games is unnecessarily specific. Girls aren't the only people who can play games.
Updated by jxh2154
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Aliasing girls_playing_games -> playing_games
Reason: girls_playing_games is unnecessarily specific. Girls aren't the only people who can play games.
Updated by jxh2154
We don't have tags for girls_with_guns or girls_wearing_glasses even though 99% of gun and glasses posts are of girls. It's inconsistent that this tag should be gender-specific when every other tag on the site is not.
There are also posts of traps or androids playing games that are tagged girls_playing_games, even though strictly speaking they aren't girls. It's technically wrong to tag these as girls_playing_games, but it'd also be silly to use a separate tag for these situations.
Not really against you, but your logic then will require that we'll also need to "adjust" the following tags as well:
I'm not quite sure how being an android would disqualify one as being a girl though.
NWF_Renim said:
Not really against you, but your logic then will require that we'll also need to "adjust" the following tags as well:
I'm not opposed to that. The main problem is that person_in_a_container sounds very contrived compared to girl_in_a_box. Playing_games doesn't have this problem.
NWF_Renim said:
I'm not quite sure how being an android would disqualify one as being a girl though.
For the same reason traps aren't technically girls: they're missing a critical piece of equipment.
evazion said:
For the same reason traps aren't technically girls: they're missing a critical piece of equipment.
Eh, there are more then enough android characters who have all the right plumbing to qualify them as a girl.
As for person_in_a_container, I only made it after I found an image of a male character in a jar while I was planning on using a "girl_in_a_container" tag in line with all the other "girl_in_a_*" tags.
An argument that is going to come up though on the playing games tag will be the limiting it to video games, since there are plenty of non-video game games that are probably not tagged with anything to indicate the depiction.
NWF_Renim said: Eh, there are more then enough android characters who have all the right plumbing to qualify them as a girl.
Yeah, I don't think we need to start differentiating androids from their apparent gender.
An argument that is going to come up though on the playing games tag will be the limiting it to video games
Granted, that's the only thing I've ever used the tag on, and looking through the tag that goes for most other people.
I wouldn't mind changing this implicitly sexist tag to playing_games. If you only want girls, just search playing_games -male.
スラッシュ said:
I wouldn't mind changing this implicitly sexist tag to playing_games. If you only want girls, just search playing_games -male.
Wouldn't that not really work though? The male tag is defined for images that only feature males or have a predominate number of males. So if it was an image of a guy and a girl playing games together it wouldn't receive the male tag.
True, and if there was a guy in the background playing a game with girls in the foreground, it might get a playing_games tag but definitely not a male tag. You could argue that your example still deserves the girls_playing_games tag, but my example definitely doesn't.
I think that's just something we'll have to live with to get a more egalitarian tag. The situation is practically speaking probably very rare.
I have no issues with retaining the girls_playing_games tag. Though I do think a playing_games tag could be useful as well, but I'm now thinking that it should be a games in general and not video games. One could always narrow down a search by using it with other tags like cards, board_game, chess, video_games, controller, computer, nintendo ds, etc that don't necessarily indicate that a game is actually being played. The actual depictions mostly appear fairly similarly, so I don't see the need to isolate the tag under only one field of gaming.
Since the girls_playing_games tag is fairly well used and has been around for awhile, there really isn't a need to change the definition of the tag.
NWF_Renim said:
Wouldn't that not really work though? The male tag is defined for images that only feature males or have a predominate number of males. So if it was an image of a guy and a girl playing games together it wouldn't receive the male tag.
The same issue exists with most other tags. I could search for gun toting girls with gun -male, but that might still include a few images of guys holding guns. In practice this isn't really a problem since 99% of any given tag is girls.
piespy said:
I don't think political correctness should be a goal of Danbooru, and especially not if that results in less descriptive tagging.
It's not about political correctness. It's that it's dumb that we have a separate playing_games tag for ~10 posts simply because the way the girls_playing_games tag is named excludes these posts. We don't need two different tags for the same concept.
piespy said:
There's no practical benefit in removing/renaming the tag.
Well, playing_games is slightly faster to type.
NWF_Renim said:
it should be a games in general and not video games.
I agree with this regardless of whether we go with girls_playing_games or just playing_games (or both, as we have it now, which is really dumb).
Oh and "the girls_playing_games tag is being used" would be a moot point if an alias is put in place, which would definitely be needed if we were to switch to just using playing_games.
Another issue is that girls_playing_games is a plural tag. It should be girl_playing_games if it's to conform to the plural->singular policy. Leaving it plural is inconsistent with the singular girl_in_a_box tag. It should either be girls_playing_games and girls_in_boxes or girl_playing_games and girl_in_a_box.
Of course, leaving out the subject and going with playing_games sidesteps the singular/plural issue entirely. It also makes the tag consistent with all the other tags on the site that leave the subject of the action implicit.