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Tag discussion: huge breasts, gigantic breasts

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I checked the wikis for these two tags and they they essentially mean the same thing.Breasts as big as the characters head or larger. So I'd like some clarification or a second opinion on the difference between these two. My rule of thumb is that huge breasts are larger than a girl's head and gigantic breasts are breasts that would natural drop down to the waist but that's just me.

Also seem we're on the subject of huge and gigantic breasts. A large number of photos taged with huge breasts and pretty all the photos tagged with gigantic breasts definitely break the TOS regarding the two heads limit, such as post #523711, post #463433 post #531300. Now I don't think nor hope that these should get deleted because they're of good quality and were approved by the mods/jans, but I think the TOS might need a little rewording regarding breasts.

Thoughts?

Updated by 葉月

I think this part of ToS has been definitely neglected and needs much stricter enforcing. I tried fighting that for some time, but since they kept getting reapproved, I gave up for the time, not having the time to go for a proper solution. I think, however, that a significant proportion of the tags you mention break the ToS, sometimes pretty badly. And that's something I'd very much like to stop.

葉月 said:
I think this part of ToS has been definitely neglected and needs much stricter enforcing. I tried fighting that for some time, but since they kept getting reapproved, I gave up for the time, not having the time to go for a proper solution. I think, however, that a significant proportion of the tags you mention break the ToS, sometimes pretty badly. And that's something I'd very much like to stop.

From what I've seen y'all say in the appeal thread, it seems that older content gets grandfathered in regardless of breaking the ToS. Is that what you're talking about, or newer stuff?

chainedwind said:
From what I've seen y'all say in the appeal thread, it seems that older content gets grandfathered in regardless of breaking the ToS. Is that what you're talking about, or newer stuff?

no, I don't think so, besides there are quite a few posts that have been approved and some uploaded by mods/jans in the past year that break the TOS and I'm not just talking about just breasts. Despite the fact that furry also breaks the TOS, it doesn't seem to stop it from making it on the site post #473545, post #455738, post #466766 ( uploaded by mod). Guro in terms of mutation also doesn't seem to have much trouble making it on the site either

葉月 said:
I think this part of ToS has been definitely neglected and needs much stricter enforcing. I tried fighting that for some time, but since they kept getting reapproved, I gave up for the time, not having the time to go for a proper solution. I think, however, that a significant proportion of the tags you mention break the ToS, sometimes pretty badly. And that's something I'd very much like to stop.

no doubt policing is one solution but I hope it doesn't come to that because if you're have trouble deleting pics you feel break the TOS in terms of breasts then I don't think it's reflecting what the community as a whole thinks is breaking TOS, but since this you are a mod you should have final say. I just hope it doesn't come to policing. Also It's kinda hard to put a size restrictions on something that has the consistency of watered down jello.

animeboy12 said:
no doubt policing is one solution but I hope it doesn't come to that because if you're have trouble deleting pics you feel break the TOS in terms of breasts then I don't think it's reflecting what the community as a whole thinks is breaking TOS, but since this you are a mod you should have final say. I just hope it doesn't come to policing. Also It's kinda hard to put a size restrictions on something that has the consistency of watered down jello.

...I am confused. Are you saying that breasts have the consistency of watered-down jello? Or that it's difficult to tell what the ToS mean? Not that I'd agree with /either/ statement, but eh.

I'm, with 葉月 on this issue, though it does seem to be the least enforced sections of the ToS, unfortunately. I know I've taken flak in the past for flagging grossly disproportionate futanari and had those flags overturned.

I honestly don't see why we can have poor art flagged and deleted for bad proportions such as stubby arms and legs, but conversely have as much controversy as we have over characters that couldn't possibly stand due to balance issues.

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chainedwind said:
...I am confused. Are you saying that breasts have the consistency of watered-down jello? Or that it's difficult to tell what the ToS mean? Not that I'd agree with /either/ statement, but eh.

I'm basically saying that it seem like the people up top and the community don't seem to agree on is and isn't breaking the TOS or don't care because it's seem that as long as a mod/jan thinks the pic is drawn well it's gonna get approved or re approved. As for the breasts I'm just saying that surface area and the size of the breasts and change for different a host reasons.

I have problems understanding you, but what you mention is mostly a symptom of a problem that has, so far, been preventing individual mods from tackling the issue, but which doesn't mean there's no value in solving it. What we need to do is to track down and eliminate ToS violations systematically, not water it down just because people ignore it. It's much harder when it's committed by mods/janitors themselves, but it's also this much more important that it doesn't continue.

animeboy12 said:
As for the breasts I'm just saying that surface area and the size of the breasts and change for different a host reasons.

On the other hand, the size you are referring to never occurs in a natural distribution. In reality, the only place you would see breasts of that size are on the morbidly obese or those that have undergone debilitating cosmetic surgery. Nothing wrong with variation in proportions, but there are limits beyond which things get absurd.

Shinjidude said:
On the other hand, the size you are referring to never occurs in a natural distribution. In reality, the only place you would see breasts of that size are on the morbidly obese or those that have undergone debilitating cosmetic surgery. Nothing wrong with variation in proportions, but there are limits beyond which things get absurd.

true, let me correct myself by saying breast my *appear* bigger do to positioning, but as far as limits to absurdity go I'm inclined to disagree with you especially when we are talking about fictionally characters but that an argument for another time (maybe through pms). Of course this is in no way arguing with what pics you approve or delete.

葉月 said:
I have problems understanding you, but what you mention is mostly a symptom of a problem that has, so far, been preventing individual mods from tackling the issue, but which doesn't mean there's no value in solving it. What we need to do is to track down and eliminate ToS violations systematically, not water it down just because people ignore it. It's much harder when it's committed by mods/janitors themselves, but it's also this much more important that it doesn't continue.

Excuse my unclarity, I definitely think something need to be done, consistency isn't a bad thing, but I don't coming in with a ruler and measuring the breasts to head ratio is a good one, I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think there are better ways. As is stands right now the TOS does a good job on describing pics that usually don't get approved but I don't people view it as a restriction.

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No-one was talking about rulers, but we do need some guideline, if only to be able to tell people "this is definitely outside of the ToS", and two heads is a size that *definitely* falls under "grotesque". There's no way a normal woman, or even well-endowed animu woman could have hooters that big.

葉月 said:
No-one was talking about rulers, but we do need some guideline, if only to be able to tell people "this is definitely outside of the ToS", and two heads is a size that *definitely* falls under "grotesque". There's no way a normal woman, or even well-endowed animu woman could have hooters that big.

If that's the case I'm all for the guideline as along as the borderline cases that are drawn well aren't deleted.

葉月 said:
There's no way a normal woman, or even well-endowed animu woman could have hooters that big.

I could give you examples but I don't you to puke on your screen :)

....all this tlk about guidelines and restriction, my 1st question didn't get answered :(

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chainedwind said:
From what I've seen y'all say in the appeal thread, it seems that older content gets grandfathered in regardless of breaking the ToS. Is that what you're talking about, or newer stuff?

forum #14967:

albert said:
Okay, you have my blessing. Grandfather clause is revoked. Most of my photo porn posts have already been deleted so I'm not immune to this. The only reason I haven't made a concerted effort is laziness.

I agree with getting rid of gigantic breasts. I think we can check the posts on huge breasts that comply with the size of over 1.5-2 heads and tag them as gigantic breast.
I would suggest keeping the huge breasts tag, for characters whose breasts are the size of 1-1.5 heads (as the wiki already says). Then nuke everything that's bigger than that.
This way we can keep pics with breasts that are big enough to be out-of-proportion, but not as large to be grotesque.

I've never really liked that huge breasts fell under "grotesque" in the ToS. It always felt too much like a preferential choice than something to improve quality of the images. I won't defend all the images currently under the gigantic breasts tag, but I felt clear cutting them all stank too much of subjective personal preference than quality assurance.

Just throwing out my opinion on the matter, felt someone should at least be a dissident in this thread. I'm sure my actual actions and record would show that I likely do the opposite of my opinion in this matter, as these things don't really fall under my personal preference.

Ha, that's usually my line. In this case though the rule was set a long time ago and actually gives a fair bit of leeway in terms of scope (it used to be 1 head I believe).

I wouldn't say we should delete everything between 1.5-2 heads in size, since those still are kosher by the ToS, but enforcement of preexisting rules is probably a good thing.

As for subjective personal preference setting the rules, that's the only force behind banning furry or guro, or filtering anything for that matter. If it was our prerogative to be a /b/ archive, we could just set "ZOMG NONE!!!1" in the ToS.

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NWF_Renim said:
I've never really liked that huge breasts fell under "grotesque" in the ToS. It always felt too much like a preferential choice than something to improve quality of the images. I won't defend all the images currently under the gigantic breasts tag, but I felt clear cutting them all stank too much of subjective personal preference than quality assurance.

Just throwing out my opinion on the matter, felt someone should at least be a dissident in this thread. I'm sure my actual actions and record would show that I likely do the opposite of my opinion in this matter, as these things don't really fall under my personal preference.

Yea, that's pretty much my opinion on the whole thing, I don't like the fact that the TOS say "bodies that are far outside the realm of NORMAL human proportion". What hells normal? But I guess there's no elegant way to say it(Average maybe?). If anything going through the huge breasts and deleting the ones that fall outside the 2 head limit now would be tedious because the vast, vast majority don't and there's almost a 1 to 1 ratio of gigantic breasts and deleted ones so if anything the ones that are on the site are, excluding taste, drawn well and the mod/jans do keeping the obviously blatant ones like post #501129, post #375778 out.

I still do question the two head rule, especially when you have cases like mogudan who give his characters abnormal small heads or character that have plump/full bodies but as it stands I like the way the mods/jans filter through the huge/gigantic breast tag.

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