Why do VG consoles have copyright tags?

I was just looking at post #652933 and noticed that tags like nintendo_ds, psp and sega_genesis are all of the dubious type "copyright". These are physical objects being tagged, so they don't seem like they fit into that category. Is this a mistake or is there a reason for it being done this way?

Sorry if this was brought up before and I missed it; I did search the forums first.

Uhh...our definition of "copyright" is rather squishy?

forum #19664

I've pretty much changed my stance with the introduction of copycount but I'm sure if we really want to revisit this we can. Personifications of things make it a kind of weird gray area, though.

Also, the tags aren't just used for the consoles themselves, but for more uhh...meta concepts, and personifications.

I'd agree that its not quite right, but having them as general tags isn't really right either.

Fencedude said:
Also, the tags aren't just used for the consoles themselves, but for more uhh...meta concepts

Just an example of this: post #539789.

Fencedude said:
Uhh...our definition of "copyright" is rather squishy?

I know, that's why I called it "dubious".

Fencedude said:
Also, the tags aren't just used for the consoles themselves, but for more uhh...meta concepts, and personifications.

All right, I can see the problem. I suppose if we ever impose a strict definition for the "copyright" tag type, we could split them into psp and psp_(object) or something, but at this point it probably wouldn't achieve much.

I'm with Fencedude here. I think there is some value to keeping things like sega_genesis and kfc_(company) as copyrights, but acknowlege it can sometimes mess with things like copytags:*.

Uh... I think they should just be general tags. A gamecube is an object. So is a hat, or a rock, or glasses, or whatever.

Now if you're talking about the brand name, like the logo, or something, that could be somewhat of an argument, but unlike, say, anime/manga series, which are the main use for the copyright tag type, there's no kind of "fictional universe" associated with game consoles into which characters could fit, or in which pictures could "set" and identified as such, so I think it would be difficult to say anything to that effect.

They aren't a game/anime/manga/whatever-series, leave them general, be it pocky, psp, whatever.

I see it as a brand name of an object

0xCCBA696 said:

there's no kind of "fictional universe" associated with game consoles into which characters could fit, or in which pictures could "set" and identified as such

I hope this is not too far off topic:

In some cases there indeed is a fictional universe, if vague, where product personifications "live". The examples that occur to me are the universe of Vocaloid fan art and the universe of "Trouble(d) Windows", the latter featuring the Windows OS-tans. Nothing similar when it comes to game consoles?

Yeah, I have no problem whatsoever with labeling vocaloid or os as copyright tags. There are clearly characters in it, and a sort of world in which they live. I don't think the same is true for game consoles.

They should be general because they're objects, like 0xCCBA696 said. Just like pocky is general even though it's a brand name.

You're only replaying forum #19664 all over and Log made the only valid point in that they can screw up copytags counts at times.
They would screw up gentags counts just as much if they were to be general tags. Considering tags like pocky or console games which say a lot more about a picture than many general tags do, maybe it wouldn't be that bad, but we probably also have other trademarks that are far less meaningful.
I don't really want to see that happen but giving them their own category could at least be a compromise.

Copywright tag counts (along with Character and Artist tag counts) are MUCH more important than "Everything else" general tag counts.

I can see, say, nintendo, microsoft, sega, and sony being copy tags.
I can see super_nintendo, nintendo_64, sega_genesis, sega_saturn, xbox, xbox_360, playstation, psp all being general tags just like book or car or shrine.

Cyberia-mix: Nobody cares about gentag counts. General is the miscellaneous tag type. And if you're going to bring up forum #19664, fine, but don't just abbreviate it to "Log made the only valid point", holy shit. Several people wrote a lot of words in that forum, many of which constituted valid points. And if I may say so, I believe that includes me.

jxh2154: agreed.

Sorry. What I mean is that the issue raised by Log about proper tagging hindered at times by these "wrong" copyrights is a step higher as a concern than the rest that has been discussed so far. Whatever you end up agreeing on as the correct definition, if this has to cause conflicts later it won't have much of an use.

The old thread was pretty interesting actually but the new point Log brought sort of killed that discussion imho, while this continues to get debated in the new thread.