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Tag implication: RPG -> Rocket_Launcher

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NWF_Renim said:
I'm rather opposed to having panzerfaust implicate RPG. Even if one influenced the development of the other, they should be acknowledged as different.

Panzerfaust is a type of RPG that influenced the Russian "RPG" series of weapons. The difference is that the Russians call their RPG series, RPG, while the Panzerfaust, an RPG, is the inspiration for their designs.

Hopefully this clarifies.

NNescio said:
Does the tag "RPG" refer to rocket-propelled weapons in general, or specifically the Russian "Ruchnoy Protivotankovy Granatomyot" series?

I'm not exactly sure, but the wiki seems to indicate the latter.

It refers to both. The Wiki was just updated, but it should note that both are correct, but that the Russian term for RPG still is shortened to RPG, even though it means something slightly different. It basically translates to, "Rocket propelled grenade launcher" even though its technically "manually operated anti-tank grenade launcher"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket-propelled_grenade

edit: I updated the wiki.

Anelaid said:
It refers to both. The Wiki was just updated, but it should note that both are correct, but that the Russian term for RPG still is shortened to RPG, even though it means something slightly different. It basically translates to, "Rocket propelled grenade launcher" even though its technically "manually operated anti-tank grenade launcher"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket-propelled_grenade

edit: I updated the wiki.

Strictly speaking the English "Rocket-propelled grenade" is a backronym, not a translation. The original Russian translates to "hand-held anti-tank grenade (launcher), and the RPG-40, RPG-43, and RPG-6 are not rocket-propelled at all. (with the 'G' standing for 'Granata'(Grenade) instead of 'Granatomyot'(Grenade Launcher)

NNescio said:
Strictly speaking the English "Rocket-propelled grenade" is a backronym, not a translation. The original Russian translates to "hand-held anti-tank grenade launcher, and the RPG-40, RPG-43, and RPG-6 are not rocket-propelled at all.

The term RPG refers to both, and those grenades incredibly rare in fiction. And they are not even grenade launchers.

My issue is that the RPG should only refer to the Western usage, in this case, or the definition is expanded to include these very rare exceptions.

Actually, what I might do is that, "RPG refers to Rocket-propelled grenade, if you are looking for weapons according to the strict Russian usage, see X." but this seems rather nitpicky.

The panzefaust is visually distinct from the images that'll be ending up under the RPG tag.

You've kind of ruined your own argument. The RPG series has and will always be used to refer to the Russian design, labeling the German one under the other will only cause confusion.

Additionally, it is emphasized that the panzerfaust did not fire rockets and therefore it is not a rocket launcher. http://world.guns.ru/grenade/de/panzerfaust-e.html It was a recoilless gun, the charge that propels the warhead is burned completely within the tube. The warhead lacks a rocket motor, therefore it is not a rocket.

Some of the later designed panzerfausts may be considered rocket launchers, but the dominate design that'll appear in images was not.

I believe these are the implications requested that don't have any arguments against them:
panzerschreck -> Rocket_launcher
multishot_rocket_launcher -> Rocket_launcher
m202 -> multishot_rocket_launcher

The ones contested are:
RPG -> rocket_launcher, because some models did not fire rockets, though the argument is that there are likely none depicted of those models on danbooru because they were rarer.

panzerfaust -> RPG, because some models did not fire rockets, and the most common one (perhaps the only one on danbooru) depicted was the non-rocket propelled earlier models (the ones that look kind of like large metal matches). Later models that look more like RPG launchers used rocket propelled grenades.

The issue being is that those grenades, all originating during World War II share the RPG term but aren't related to the RPG series of rocket launcher and RPG, in its modern usage, is never used to refer to those grenades.

If they show up, the RPG wiki can be edited so that its clear that it doesn't refer to those weapons.

edit: multishot_rocket_launcher shouldn't be aliased, its a clearly defined variant of the rocket launcher design.

Updated

NWF_Renim said:
I believe these are the implications requested that don't have any arguments against them:
panzerschreck -> Rocket_launcher
multishot_rocket_launcher -> Rocket_launcher
m202 -> multishot_rocket_launcher

Did these.

The ones contested are:
RPG -> rocket_launcher, because some models did not fire rockets, though the argument is that there are likely none depicted of those models on danbooru because they were rarer.

I think I'm willing to do this one, then. The exceptions seem rather trivial.

panzerfaust -> RPG, because some models did not fire rockets, and the most common one (perhaps the only one on danbooru) depicted was the non-rocket propelled earlier models (the ones that look kind of like large metal matches). Later models that look more like RPG launchers used rocket propelled grenades.

This on the other hand sounds a bit too specific to push through, so I'll leave it to manual tagging. Only weapons enthusiasts are going to tag it anyway and they will likely know whether rpg needs to be manually added or not.

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