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Tag creation: vaginal_sex, anal_sex

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Tag creation
Reason

To start to clean up the mess.

Longer rationale and context

The description of sex is counterintuitive. It is for either vaginal sex or anal sex, — when there is a penis involved; other sexual acts, such as paizuri, mutual masturbation and tentacles (tentacle sex) might count, but technically don't.

Even if we consider that most general tags are prone to some level of misuse, that description has been disobeyed to an exceptional level.

Most certainly, this happens because "sex" can cover so many things, and can "not" cover many sexual things, too — as in, "paizuri is sex, but masturbation isn't". There are even some old threads from people apparently believing that the tag is already broad enough to cover a number of different subjects, including "rape", "bestiality", etc. (forum #49326, forum #47068...) And, frankly, why not? But broadening the scope of that tag is not necessarily the scope of this thread; creating two other tags is.

They — anal sex and vaginal sex — would be much more reliable and self-explanatory than the current sex, because their wordy meanings like "penetration of a penis into a vagina" would be clearly implied just from the tag names.

Notably, we also have the tags "anal" and "vaginal" for any anal or vaginal penetration, penis included or not. If the new tags are created, then at least one basic search would be introduced...

  • [BEFORE] (assuming all posts are accurately tagged)
    • sex + vaginal = penetration of a penis into a vagina; and possible exceptions, like maybe some instances of anal sex and vaginal dildo penetration separately in the same post
  • [AFTER] (assuming all posts are accurately tagged)

Relatedly, my overall opinion is this: If people can only successfully use a tag after reading the wiki, the tag fails. We could as well have tag0001, tag0002, tag0003, etc. and just expect people to follow the descriptions. But, even when we use names that are less ridiculous than tag0001, people often don't do that. Maybe it's because relying on intuitive names alone is easier, more convenient; and wikis are boring.

(In addition, sex is really big, so it could use some breaking down into these specific very basic situations: vaginal sex and anal sex.)

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RiderFan said:
Vaginal takes care of any penetration happening with the genitals. Anal does the same but for the other end. It would make no sense to add more to the tag title.

I don't think that's quite what's being suggested. Vaginal sex would be a subset of vaginal and the former should probably have a tag implication for the latter. We could also then allow the various insertion tags to imply vaginal/anal as necessary too.

Shintear said:
Would the sex tag still be around, with both of the new sex tags implimenting it?

Personally, I'd recommend against it. If the definition is properly followed, then it would simply be a meta tag for two sub-tags. Leaving it just leaves in the same old grounds for confusion.

I'd also recommend with the creation of vaginal sex and anal sex a tag for ambiguous sex or something similar when it's nigh impossible to tell whether it's vaginal or anal.

BCI_Temp said:
Personally, I'd recommend against it. If the definition is properly followed, then it would simply be a meta tag for two sub-tags. Leaving it just leaves in the same old grounds for confusion.

If we have good tags vaginal sex and anal sex — and even ambiguous sex —, then what to do with sex is secondary. This one-worded tag is a huge mess, that by far transcends the two or three more specific tags.

Anyway, one alternative idea to be considered would be leaving sex as a huge catch-all tag for all forms of sex itself, including rape, mutual masturbation, cunnilingus, etc.

BCI_Temp said:
I'd also recommend with the creation of vaginal sex and anal sex a tag for ambiguous sex or something similar when it's nigh impossible to tell whether it's vaginal or anal.

I agree with your idea of creating ambiguous sex. (in addition to vaginal sex and anal sex)

It could be used for post #407616 and others.

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MyrMindservant said:
Also -1 to ambiguous_sex tag. If it's not clear which of them apply, then the image should simply be tagged with sex.

At the risk of wandering a little off-topic, we come back to the subject of sex needing a better tag name because it's not indicative of penetrative sex. The use of the disambiguating tags here would go a long way towards restoring sanity to the tag or towards allowing it to be repurposed the way many people want to.

The current description of sex is this, which has been mostly the same since 2008:

  • Pictures depicting the act of sexual intercourse. Only use this tag for actual vaginal or anal penetration. Don't use it for oral sex, paizuri, or other acts that don't involve penetration.

BCI_Temp said:
At the risk of wandering a little off-topic, we come back to the subject of sex needing a better tag name because it's not indicative of penetrative sex.

Indeed. Hypothetically, the name penetrative sex would be extremely better than sex if we want that specific description to be followed intuitively.

However, the proposed names anal sex and vaginal sex sound even better than penetrative sex, are shorter, equally understandable, easier to remember, and even more likely to be used without necessarily having to read instructions from wikis.

BCI_Temp said:
The use of the disambiguating tags here would go a long way towards restoring sanity to the tag or towards allowing it to be repurposed the way many people want to.

Don't you think sanity can be restored to sex — or that we can make sane anal sex and vaginal sex —, even if it takes time? Or, maybe someone has a shorter solution?

The possible alternative of just leaving that messy tag forever untouched doesn't seem very wise to me.

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*bumps*

Since some people either disagreed with this split or just didn't show much enthusiam about it, I'd like to know about any alternative ideas. The status quo of having a tag so huge and untended has been bothering me for a while.

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