Outdoors vs Outside vs Nature

We've got both an outdoors and an outside tag with roughly the same amount of posts and it seems most of their combined posts are tagged with one or the other. What aliases should be suggested to merge the two? Do they both need to be changed to nature?

While outdoors and outside sound similar, the streets of a metropolitan city is outside, but not nature.

I think anything with trees or grass or foliage in general is nature.
Outdoors and outside should be joined together but their huge ambiguity makes them useless anyway. street, beach, countryside, fuck, even roof is "outside". Sometimes it's even used in the sense of public_sex.

I just edited the outdoors wiki. I think you'll agree.

Nature has nothing to do with outdoors or outside.

And no, memegui, I do not agree. Outside is ambiguous, I'd move to use outdoors over outside. Outdoors may be very general, but it's not ambiguous.

And I respectfully disagree with you 0xCCBA696, nature is a subset of outdoors just like street, beach, countryside et al.

That brings up another question: if we go with either outdoors or outside should all these "also outdoors" posts be tagged outside/outdoors?

What about in a cave? It's natural. It's outdoors. It's not outside.

Or a indoor garden. It's natural. It's not outdoors. It's not outside.

I'd say an abundance of wild plants (as in not tended to by people or machines...) is necessary for something to be called tagged natural...

therefor caves aren't natural because there aren't many plants (at least not normally,)... and indoor gardens aren't natural because they're not wild.

A cave is not outside, it's inside a cave.

Don't confuse guys, we're not talking about natural, we're talking about nature.

Inside a tent is outdoors but not outside.
A terrace is outside but not outdoors.

I can't decide on what should be an alias to what but they definitely should not exist both.

I'd discourage aliasing either to the other. I do think, though, that "outdoors" is a more important and interesting tag than "outside", and that the majority of the posts tagged "outside" can just be detagged, or changed to "outdoors".

richardus, okay, I didn't mean really that there was no connection between nature and outdoors. nature will usually be outdoors, but as bluishwolf said, an indoor garden could still be called "nature". Probably nature is synonymous with "plants" or "foliage", at least by looking at the posts we have currently. But either way, that doesn't mean we should alias outdoors or outside to nature, which is ridiculous.

0xCCBA696 said:
I'd discourage aliasing either to the other. (...) the majority of the posts tagged "outside" can just be detagged, or changed to "outdoors".

So, you're actually saying to alias outside to outdoors then?

The thing is that, even if they had different meanings, in practice, the average tagger is using one of these two tags with the same basic idea. And for this use I think outside is the most all-encompassing since a garden or a penthouse is still indoors.....

You know, I'm kind of tired of this, every time I try and defend outside or outdoors I end up contradicting myself, damn ambiguity, just pick one and alias the other to it, pick outdoors, it sounds better. It's still useless.

0xCCBA696 said:
I'd discourage aliasing either to the other.

memegui said:
So, you're actually saying to alias outside to outdoors then?

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This is ALMOST worth a negative record, but I've seen enough of your posts to assume that you just misread what I typed, and aren't an idiot.

Then what did you mean by "the majority of the posts tagged "outside" can just be detagged, or changed to "outdoors"?

He means manually. Not using an alias.

Yeah...how would that be any different?

Nature is always outside/outdoors though the other way around isn't true.
Outside and outdoors could be merged however as their meaning is the same (or are there subtle differences)?
It's ok for me to merge both, as to what remains - flip a coin ;)
I am not sure though if it is useful to alias nature to outside/outdoors. I'd rather not.

A garden is not really nature, btw.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden

"A garden is a planned space, usually outdoors, set aside for the display, cultivation, and enjoyment of plants and other forms of nature."

memegui said:
Yeah...how would that be any different?

It leaves the "outside" tag open for later tagging, if necessary. Aliasing tag A to tag B means that you are saying that tag A means the same thing as tag B. In this case, I'm saying that "outside" has no current viable meaning, and that most of the posts tagged as "outside" are probably also "outdoors"-taggable, but in no way am I saying that "outside" means "outdoors". As I said, "outside" doesn't actually mean much, it's extremely vague.

The same setup exists with indoors and inside so whatever we resolve to do with these tags should be done with those as well.