Question about Fujimaru Ritsuka and uniform tags

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I've been working my way through all fujimaru ritsuka (female) posts and depreciating the various Mystic Code and Craft Essence tags (Chaldea Combat Uniform, Captain Chaldea, The Three Great Heroes, yadda yadda yadda) into chartags for both her and fujimaru ritsuka (male). I'll get around to fixing the tags for Male Ritsuka once I'm done with Female Ritsuka.

Handling any outfits exclusively worn by them was simple enough. However, I ran into a dubious issue when trying to break down uniforms that are worn by other characters in the Fate franchise, not just the Ritsukas. In particular, the Chaldea Uniform, Homurahara Academy Uniform Tsukumihara Academy Uniform (Fate/Extra), and Tsukumihara Academy Uniform (Fate/Extra CCC) are not exclusive uniforms to the Ritsukas, but are worn by them as alternate outfits in Fate/Grand Order (albeit using different in-game titles to refer to them). I first ran into this problem when tackling the Atlas Academy Uniform, and while I made the chartags for the Ritsukas, I couldn't do so for other characters that wear it.

Even while breaking down the Chaldea Uniform into chartags, I'm still hesitant to do so when there are other characters like Romani Archaman, Jeancle Abel Meuniere, and some background staff characters that have their own variations of the organization's uniform. This means the chaldea uniform tag can't be entirely depreciated as it stands at the moment. If that happens, then it'll remain in autocomplete and inevitably wind up being misused, defeating the purpose of depreciating it in the first place. I'm using the Chaldea Uniform as my main example since it's treated as the 'default' outfit for the Ritsukas, so it easily has the most posts out of any other outfits they wear.

The only solution I can think of is making a chartag for everyone who wears the uniform in order to fully depreciate the gentag. That means it would be romani archaman (chaldea uniform), jeancle abel meuniere (chaldea uniform), and so on. But then, does this mean that all general uniform tags have to be broken down into chartags for other series as well? If we take Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon as an example, the Juuban Middle School Uniform would have to be broken down into tsukino usagi (juuban middle school uniform) and mizuno ami (juuban middle school uniform), or the Mugen Gakuen School Uniform into ten'ou haruka (mugen gakuen school uniform), kaiou michiru (mugen gakuen school uniform), and tomoe hotaru (mugen gakuen school uniform), etcetera. If we do it for Fate, it would stand to reason that other series need to have this done as well. And what would that mean for the List of uniforms? Would that need to be adjusted as well?

Until this gets sorted out, I think I'll leave the aforementioned uniforms alone for Female Ritsuka and garden Male Ritsuka's posts for now. Yes, I had started with gardening chaldea uniform -> fujimaru ritsuka (female) (chaldea uniform) and fujimaru ritsuka (female) (chaldea uniform) (cosplay), but I'll stop and see what everyone has to say.

EDIT: The post that made me stop and reconsider this was post #2738953. As it stands right now, you'd have both fujimaru_ritsuka_(female)_(chaldea_uniform) for Ritsuka, and then chaldea_uniform to cover Romani's outfit.

Isn't the Chaldea uniform just literally their regular clothes? Why make a chartag out of that? It could just be the "base" tag, since that's just how the character normally appears. Akin to most Servants' base form tag not having a specific qualifier - and it could be kept as a gentag because it's just a generic outfit/uniform that any character can wear, including potentially unnamed background characters.

Astolfo said:

Isn't the Chaldea uniform just literally their regular clothes? Why make a chartag out of that?

I was asking that myself in the back of my mind. I didn't want to delve too deeply into the Chaldea uniform if it's regarded as their default attire.

Ugh... maybe I'm making this more confusing than it needs to be. As always...

If those outfits are uniforms, and worn by multiple characters, then they shouldn't be character tags, they should be gen tags like literally every other uniform worn by multiple characters. The FGO protagonists shouldn't be getting special treatment for that.

blindVigil said:

If those outfits are uniforms, and worn by multiple characters, then they shouldn't be character tags, they should be gen tags like literally every other uniform worn by multiple characters. The FGO protagonists shouldn't be getting special treatment for that.

Does this mean I messed up with the Atlas Academy Uniform and need to revert the fujimaru ritsuka (female) (atlas academy uniform) and fujimaru ritsuka (male) (atlas academy uniform) chartags? I mean, it's a good deal I didn't do it for the other uniforms for that exact reason, but I may have vandalized the Atlas Academy uniform tag for that reason.

Benit149 said:

Does this mean I messed up with the Atlas Academy Uniform and need to revert the fujimaru ritsuka (female) (atlas academy uniform) and fujimaru ritsuka (male) (atlas academy uniform) chartags? I mean, it's a good deal I didn't do it for the other uniforms for that exact reason, but I may have vandalized the Atlas Academy uniform tag for that reason.

The reason this approach worked for certain craft essences or gentags turned chartags was because even despite having a shared name, those outfits were all wildly different outfits for each character that just happened to be released in the same event, or shown in the same CE, or etc. But in the case here, these being actual /uniforms/ I don't think they should be turned into chartags, for one for the reasons you found out yourself - imagine having to make a chartag for EVERY character that wears this uniform? Someone draws their OC with the uniform? Boom, chartag. Some named Chaldea staff character that only has three pictures all in this uniform? Well, their chartag has a uniform qualifier for some reason. Etc.

Astolfo said:

The reason this approach worked for certain craft essences or gentags turned chartags was because even despite having a shared name, those outfits were all wildly different outfits for each character that just happened to be released in the same event, or shown in the same CE, or etc. But in the case here, these being actual /uniforms/ I don't think they should be turned into chartags, for one for the reasons you found out yourself - imagine having to make a chartag for EVERY character that wears this uniform?

I knew it was a ridiculous idea in principle, but I wanted to be certain. I can undo the changes I made with chaldea uniform and nuke the two chartags easily. Should I do the same with the Atlas Academy uniform then?

I hate that FGO can't go a month without breaking one of our established tagging rules and adding to its list of exceptions, but I'm sticking to my stance on this. If it's worn by one character it should be a character tag, if it gets its own tag at all; If it's worn by multiple characters it should be a general tag. I don't care about dumb gacha game special treatment.

Benit149 said:

I knew it was a ridiculous idea in principle, but I wanted to be certain. I can undo the changes I made with chaldea uniform and nuke the two chartags easily. Should I do the same with the Atlas Academy uniform then?

Yeah, maybe more people will weigh in on the matter but personally like blindVigil said, since they're regular/generic uniforms they shouldn't be turned into character tags imo.

Yes, uniform tags should not be chartags. We only turned the ones mentioned in this thread because they were all different between characters. These are no different than any random anime's school uniforms and they should be treated as such.

blindVigil said:

I hate that FGO can't go a month without breaking one of our established tagging rules and adding to its list of exceptions

I'm with you there. It's gotten downright infuriating how difficult it is to tag this series while sticking to Danbooru's standard conventions.

but I'm sticking to my stance on this. If it's worn by one character it should be a character tag, if it gets its own tag at all; If it's worn by multiple characters it should be a general tag. I don't care about dumb gacha game special treatment.

Certainly. I know my questions in the OP must sound completely counterintuitive from your perspective, but I wanted to be absolutely sure. I'm the type of person who needs these things in writing before I can potentially screw something up, even if it's something that is blatantly obvious. Thanks a bunch for the feedback, guys. I'll made the proper adjustments shortly.

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