I have no idea how people feel about Chinese hard-translated. Although the sentiments probably cannot be generalized anyway. But I feel that something is better than nothing, and after finding no Japanese raws or English hard-translated versions, I feel inclined and responsible to translate this one.
So, if anyone were to upload the rest of the doujin it would be awesome, since my limit is reached.
While I like a good KoiFuran (Wich are almost as rare as HijiMiko) I have learn from prior experience(read, the hungry tiger manga by the same artist.) That Yohane's story tend to go towards the creepy, disturbing and nightmare inducing sooner or later.
I'm just waiting for the other shoe with a half eaten foot in it to fall.
I have no idea how people feel about Chinese hard-translated. Although the sentiments probably cannot be generalized anyway. But I feel that something is better than nothing, and after finding no Japanese raws or English hard-translated versions, I feel inclined and responsible to translate this one.
So, if anyone were to upload the rest of the doujin it would be awesome, since my limit is reached.
Uploading hard translations is discouraged. You should read topic #10710.
Uploading hard translations is discouraged. You should read topic #10710.
Hollows said:
after finding no Japanese raws
It's not Hollows' choice to upload hard-translated pages. At any rate, I say we should let him do so. If we can get some Japanese raws later, then we can erase these, but given the Chinese apparently don't like releasing their raws, it's gonna take a while.
Gensokyo's_trauma_surgeon said:
While I like a good KoiFuran (Wich are almost as rare as HijiMiko) I have learn from prior experience(read, the hungry tiger manga by the same artist.) That Yohane's story tend to go towards the creepy, disturbing and nightmare inducing sooner or later.
I'm just waiting for the other shoe with a half eaten foot in it to fall.
You're mistaking Yohane for Zounose. Zounose's the one making creepy stuff (cannibal Sanae, human sacrifice, babies turned into manure, Shou devouring a large part of Nazrin, Justin Bieber entering Gensokyo and other abominations...) while Yohane sometimes deals into rape and mind torture in his online works, but usually keep his comics safe for work.
FRien said: Justin Bieber entering Gensokyo and other abominations...)
Are you fucking kidding me? God some artist's don't deserve to draw let alone make up stories about touhou. Thanks for letting me know never to read any of that guys garbage.
Uploading hard translations is discouraged. You should read topic #10710.
Well, maybe I should have. I just went with the precedent; Bomber Grape.
Skylander said:
Are you fucking kidding me? God some artist's don't deserve to draw let alone make up stories about touhou. Thanks for letting me know never to read any of that guys garbage.
I'm pretty sure that example was made up. Although it's probably very rational to avoid that guy's stuff for the cannibalism and gore.
tend to go towards the creepy, disturbing and nightmare inducing sooner or late
And I don't understand what so disturbing about his art too. Not even 1% of Zounose level, if you ask me. Yohane's art is mostly cute, interesting. More lewd and more fetish-centered than his books, of course, but I don't think it's a bad thing.
Also what a shame we don't have japanese raws. I was thinking about doing english edit.
And I don't understand what so disturbing about his art too. Not even 1% of Zounose level, if you ask me. Yohane's art is mostly cute, interesting. More lewd and more fetish-centered than his books, of course, but I don't think it's a bad thing.
Also what a shame we don't have japanese raws. I was thinking about doing english edit.
If you really want to, there's a Sendai one on Voile.
Are you fucking kidding me? God some artist's don't deserve to draw let alone make up stories about touhou. Thanks for letting me know never to read any of that guys garbage.
I am.
The good thing with Yohane is that he knows where to draw the line between what he likes (fundoshi, steam-powered girls, raging lesbians), and what other people like (sweet stories between touhous). That's an unique, therefore valuable skill.
I have no idea how people feel about Chinese hard-translated. Although the sentiments probably cannot be generalized anyway. But I feel that something is better than nothing, and after finding no Japanese raws or English hard-translated versions, I feel inclined and responsible to translate this one.
So, if anyone were to upload the rest of the doujin it would be awesome, since my limit is reached.
Thanks verrrrrry much dude! You really have done something I have been longing to do, but I just don't have that gut.
While, as far as I know, another new Yohane's doujinshi was bought and mailed to those Chinese translators, almost just as soon as it was out in Japan.
And, just like this one, the new doujinshi I mentioned above, was also published in a very minor comic event, thus we will have to wait really quite a while before others share the raw.
Also, just like this doujinshi, the Chinese are surely rather unwilling to provide the raw.
Are you fucking kidding me? God some artist's don't deserve to draw let alone make up stories about touhou. Thanks for letting me know never to read any of that guys garbage.
No no no, please don't have such misunderstandings about Zuonose, he is some sort of a real professional, a genius!
You know Yohane(the author of the pic above), right? Compared with Zuonose, Yohane is just an amateur of amateurs. Zuonose's art level, continuity, story, and all the other qualities for the doujinshi, are by far much more prominent than most of the other doujinshi-authors, including Yohane.
You know, maybe I'm gonna sound a bit harsh, but rather than waiting for that Chinese translated books, isn't it the best thing to do if you just buy them yourself? It's still on stock here: http://www.toranoana.jp/mailorder/article/04/0030/22/19/040030221936.html If you're going to upload them anyway, then this is the least you should do to credit him.
I know that some books are convention only, but Yohane always have his books sold on Tora no Ana. They'll only cost $6~ for each book and $20 for the shipping. If you don't have the money, then make a group and gather some money. Though you need to find someone in Japan to ship those for you, since Tora doesn't ship overseas.
I won't say that you have to scan and share it, that's entirely up to you. But if you want the book, I think putting some effort wouldn't hurt. Besides, it's still rather new. Don't be impatient.
FRien said: You're mistaking Yohane for Zounose. Zounose's the one making creepy stuff (cannibal Sanae, human sacrifice, babies turned into manure, Shou devouring a large part of Nazrin, Justin Bieber entering Gensokyo and other abominations...) while Yohane sometimes deals into rape and mind torture in his online works, but usually keep his comics safe for work.
Hollows said: I'm pretty sure that example was made up. Although it's probably very rational to avoid that guy's stuff for the cannibalism and gore.
Is it just me or are people being too critical on Zounose? I like his works...(Maybe that's proof that I'm weird.)
bigbigfool said:
You know Yohane(the author of the pic above), right? Compared with Zuonose, Yohane is just an amateur of amateurs. Zuonose's art level, continuity, story, and all the other qualities for the doujinshi, are by far much more prominent than most of the other doujinshi-authors, including Yohane.
Now,now, don't say that. Yohane is a respectable artist in his own way. They just excel at different things. You can't compare that.
It's not Hollows' choice to upload hard-translated pages. At any rate, I say we should let him do so. If we can get some Japanese raws later, then we can erase these, but given the Chinese apparently don't like releasing their raws, it's gonna take a while.
You're mistaking Yohane for Zounose. Zounose's the one making creepy stuff (cannibal Sanae, human sacrifice, babies turned into manure, Shou devouring a large part of Nazrin, Justin Bieber entering Gensokyo and other abominations...) while Yohane sometimes deals into rape and mind torture in his online works, but usually keep his comics safe for work.
Really? *huge sigh of relief* thank the gods then and thank you for clearing out my confusion.
Is it just me or are people being too critical on Zounose? I like his works...(Maybe that's proof that I'm weird.)
Maybe you like stories depicting a violent Gensokyo where people will kill and eat each other, where tengus are major dickheads, where villagers are cowards ready to sacrifice the young to save their own asses, but don't go around assuming everyone does. I don't like grimderp stories and darkwanking.
And there's no such thing as "too critical".
bigbigfool said: You know Yohane(the author of the pic above), right? Compared with Zuonose, Yohane is just an amateur of amateurs. Zuonose's art level, continuity, story, and all the other qualities for the doujinshi, are by far much more prominent than most of the other doujinshi-authors, including Yohane.
You like that guy so much that, on top of talking shit about Yohane, you're also unable to write his name properly? Interesting.
monhan said: Is it just me or are people being too critical on Zounose? I like his works...(Maybe that's proof that I'm weird.)
I understand you, mate, got the same feeling. But I can understand that his works are not for everyones taste. I like the usually merry Gensokyo as well, but his stories are very well written and have an interesting twist. And let's be honest his artwork looks pretty amazing, especially his coloured ones.
And to the Yohane-Zuonose discussion that seems to be going here in the comments: They're both amazing artists in their own way. Even if you wouldn't call it amazing, they both deserve respect for creating art. Period.
Maybe you like stories depicting a violent Gensokyo where people will kill and eat each other, where tengus are major dickheads, where villagers are cowards ready to sacrifice the young to save their own asses, but don't go around assuming everyone does. I don't like grimderp stories and darkwanking.
And there's no such thing as "too critical".
You like that guy so much that, on top of talking shit about Yohane, you're also unable to write his name properly? Interesting.
But it is so clear that Zuonose's art level and other basic qualities as a cartoonist, are much superior. I remembered some guy said that Yohane somehow had already reached the peak of a fan-artist, while Zuonose was already an authentic and professional cartoonist.
For example, as simply for how high Zuonose's art level has reached, You can check it out on Zuonose's pixiv page
At least for me, I can't support the idea of danbooru being a dumping ground for third-party translations.
Its already contentious as it is to allow doujin uploaded in the matter that it is, allowing all of the complications related to third-party translations is another issue.
I just don't think danbooru is the right venue for this, I agree that its impossible to find originals in all cases but it goes against the concept of the site, in my opinion.
While there are exceptions, which is fine, granting them on the scale of entire comics is a bit too much for me.
This is the first time I've noticed it, but Yohane rarely draws the Komeiji sisters' third eyes. In fact, you don't often see the arteries like Koishi has here; and, here, it's still hard to tell if that is what they are or if they are just costume decoration.
Is it just me or are people being too critical on Zounose? I like his works...(Maybe that's proof that I'm weird.)
If you don't mind I'll be a bit macroscopic here. It isn't about a story showing a happy cheery Gensoukyo or a sad, dark Gensoukyo. A good story empowers people and inspires them. And while Zounose's stories leave a weird feeling in your heart, Grimdark is simply not as inspiring. Nor is it inherently philosophical (unlike some people seem to believe).
Zounose's stories show the worst of something that could have been nice. And so, it just seems to lack...humanity. Something (that I think) touhou has an abundance of. So it's...too bad?
And as a personal example, karaagetarou is probably the awesome-st thing. And his stories are the fluffiest thing.
FRien said: It's not Hollows' choice to upload hard-translated pages. At any rate, I say we should let him do so. If we can get some Japanese raws later, then we can erase these, but given the Chinese apparently don't like releasing their raws, it's gonna take a while.
I have to disagree, I don't see how he was forced to upload hard-translations. While it is unreasonable to expect him, or anyone, to buy and scan things for the purpose of danbooru uploads, I can't see that its good form to allow hard translations, especially of varying scan quality, when its impossible to quality check.
Danbooru is not designed to be a hub for the translation of works, especially if they aren't in japanese to begin with. Nor is the purpose to collect scans.
Given that there is an ongoing discussion in the forum in which almost everyone felt that hard translations shouldn't be uploaded, it doesn't make it appropriate in this case.
tl;dr, hard translations have no precedent of being allowed and this isn't an exception
But it is so clear that Zuonose's art level and other basic qualities as a cartoonist, are much superior. I remembered some guy said that Yohane somehow had already reached the peak of a fan-artist, while Zuonose was already an authentic and professional cartoonist.
"Some guy" isn't a reliable source. And it's Zounose.
Saladofstones said:
I have to disagree, I don't see how he was forced to upload hard-translations.
Let me spoonfeed you a bit since you can't figure it out by yourself :
Hollows said:
I feel that something is better than nothing, and after finding no Japanese raws or English hard-translated versions, I feel inclined and responsible to translate this one.
It's not like he has the choice between the original raw and the hardtranslated Chinese. That's what I meant when I said he didn't have the choice. Of course, he could -and should- NOT upload this once, and he was definitely wrong in doing so, but on the bright side, he attracted everyone's attention. Even Zounose's raving fanboyz's, ready to shit on everything who isn't grimderp.
"Some guy" isn't a reliable source. And it's Zounose.
Let me spoonfeed you a bit since you can't figure it out by yourself :
It's not like he has the choice between the original raw and the hardtranslated Chinese. That's what I meant when I said he didn't have the choice. Of course, he could -and should- NOT upload this once, and he was definitely wrong in doing so, but on the bright side, he attracted everyone's attention. Even Zounose's raving fanboyz's, ready to shit on everything who isn't grimderp.
Say sorry to me right here right now, PLEASE. Or remove such humiliating word as FANBOY
Say sorry to me right here right now, PLEASE. Or remove such humiliating word as FANBOY
You're giving me orders, despite me not talking about you? You're a real funny one, mate. I'll tell you that : order your fanboyz friends to remove all their shit talk about Yohane first, then maybe, MAYBE, I'll think about it.
I don't like bkub (correction, I hate him), yet you don't see me commenting on his pictures and saying he's an amateur or a fraud compared to Imizu. Why? Because it would be pointless. And because I (mostly) respect other people's opinion.
EDIT : in fact, don't bother, even if Zounose's fanboyz stop being annoying, I won't apologize.
At least for me, I can't support the idea of danbooru being a dumping ground for third-party translations.
Its already contentious as it is to allow doujin uploaded in the matter that it is, allowing all of the complications related to third-party translations is another issue.
I just don't think danbooru is the right venue for this, I agree that its impossible to find originals in all cases but it goes against the concept of the site, in my opinion.
While there are exceptions, which is fine, granting them on the scale of entire comics is a bit too much for me.
I agree with this and what Salad said after this. I've done it before, so I understand why he said so.
The main problem is about legality. If there's one thing that the site want to avoid, it's the artists' complaint about their works being uploaded here. There's no denying that scans are illegal. I believe there's no need to explain that. By putting it here, we're risking the possibility of getting in trouble with that. Especially since this one is rather new. If it was an old one and it's out of stock anywhere, then it might be acceptable, but this one is too risky. So I'm not encouraging people to do it.
The other problem is that it's translated to Chinese. I don't mean to doubt the translators, but there's always something missing when it's translated to another language. For translators, it's preferred to have the original to fully understand the flow of the story. Even the guys that works on official commercial stuffs tend to change the meanings for the sake of lesser work or to make it easier to understand by the consumers. So keep in mind to always upload stuffs in their original language. And taking their translations can prove to be troublesome. The Chinese are quite sensitive when someone used their works without permission. I'm saying this because it has happened before. So yeah, not only because of inaccuracies, there's also the matter with other groups and sites. So please be more considerate when you do it.
I also want to put them here for easier translating, but , there's all sorts of problem and it's just isn't what the site is for. If you still want to put them here though, pick the old ones or the ones that you know for sure aren't available in shops anymore. But the best option is to ask for the artists' permission. Hard, but it's worth tye try. And if it's possible, really, try buying their books. Give them the thanks they deserve.
. And taking their translation can prove to be troublesome. The Chinese are quite sensitive when someone used their works without permission. I'm saying this because it has happened before. So yeah, not only because of inaccuracies, there's also the matter with other groups and sites. So please be more considerate when you do it.
Now, I don't mean to defend the uploading of these pages myself. I don't want to martyr myself for that. But I just want to say that permission was given. "转载随意" means "free to upload elsewhere," which was stated in the initial release post they had.
And as for the remaining pages, won't someone tell me what to do?
Now, I don't mean to defend the uploading of these pages myself. I don't want to martyr myself for that. But I just want to say that permission was given. "转载随意" means "free to upload elsewhere," which was stated in the initial release post they had.
And as for the remaining pages, won't someone tell me what to do?
Oh, there's something like that? One less problem then.
About the rests, well, just ask the other guys here. Then judge it yourself.
Personally, I say just do it. You've already went halfway so might as well finish it. Just try not to repeat it too much.
FRien said: Maybe you like stories depicting a violent Gensokyo where people will kill and eat each other, where tengus are major dickheads, where villagers are cowards ready to sacrifice the young to save their own asses, but don't go around assuming everyone does. I don't like grimderp stories and darkwanking.
And there's no such thing as "too critical".
Hollows said: If you don't mind I'll be a bit macroscopic here. It isn't about a story showing a happy cheery Gensoukyo or a sad, dark Gensoukyo. A good story empowers people and inspires them. And while Zounose's stories leave a weird feeling in your heart, Grimdark is simply not as inspiring. Nor is it inherently philosophical (unlike some people seem to believe).
Zounose's stories show the worst of something that could have been nice. And so, it just seems to lack...humanity. Something (that I think) touhou has an abundance of. So it's...too bad?
And as a personal example, karaagetarou is probably the awesome-st thing. And his stories are the fluffiest thing.
I'm not saying that everyone should enjoy it. I'm fully aware that this kind of stories have its own specific audience. So I can understand some of the complains. People have been saying that from before, but somehow I think it has gotten worse, especially with the Kaminare book.
I'm confused to see comments like(apology for quoting without permission): "This one just felt grimdark for the sake of it, with no thought really put into it." "Stupid depressing story" "No higher purpose" "Disgusting" "Moral of the story: cannibalism grants godhood."
It's not that I won't accept different opinion, I just thought that those are a bit too far and, well, unexpected. I don't want to blame the translations, but it makes me wonder "Are we even reading the same book?" It's like what I get from the story is totally different from what the others do, and frankly, that's rather odd. Because the message is quite clear, it's not hard to see it. If it's because of the translations then, I'll be sure to make some corrections for that.
You're right with being critical, and people have the rights to give their opinion about the books, but I think they're just being too harsh.
Now about "good stories". I personally think good stories, are those that can make you learn something or drives you to think for the better. I love inspiring stories and all the happy ones, but that doesn't mean these kind of "dark" stories can't have their own great messages as well. Ya know, kinda like those children bed-time stories. Zounose is pretty good at this and most of his stories often makes you think again and see things with a different mindset. Maybe you think some of them are "inhumane", and I can see that, but I actually think that it makes me see "humanity" in a different light. How something that's nothing like you sees it, and how your own brethren sees it. It makes me values it even more.
Of course, I'm not saying all of Zounose's books is great. I still don't get the point behind "VINTAGE", no matter how hard I think. But things like "When You See Upon a Star", "RAIN FALL", "Hunting Dog's Fangs" and the latest "ICARUS" are something that everyone can enjoy. And he actually realizes and made a spoof of the "pointless deaths" in one of his book. Go read God's Holiday.
Just giving my opinion, not saying that I'm right or anything. Now then, time to get working.
monhan said: I'm confused to see comments like(apology for quoting without permission): "This one just felt grimdark for the sake of it, with no thought really put into it." "Stupid depressing story" "No higher purpose" "Disgusting" "Moral of the story: cannibalism grants godhood."
You're right with being critical, and people have the rights to give their opinion about the books, but I think they're just being too harsh.
I don't think "harsh" is even the right word, when reading such commments I feel like those are rather unthoughtful rants. Or, changing one of those quotes, to say it differently:
"These comments just bash Zounose's stories for the sake of it, with no thought really put into it."
Once they see something like they don't like, they ignore everything else of the story, at least that's the impression I get.
monhan said: Now about "good stories". [...]
Some good words there, though I want to add, that a good story is one that evokes emotions, simple as that.
And of course not all of Zounose's books are great, noone does everything always perfect, flaws are natural.
So all it takes is an offhand mention of Zounose to spark a massive argument over his work.
Sounds like effective storytelling to me.
I blame Zounose's fanboyz for that. You can't say anything about that guy without having them barging en masse, badmouthing Yohane and whining that Zounose is too criticized because they can't stand the idea of someone disliking grimderp stuff that they like. I really disliked that part where one guy said that Yohane was an amateur compared to the fanboy'z living god.
I blame Zounose's fanboyz for that. You can't say anything about that guy without having them barging en masse, badmouthing Yohane and whining that Zounose is too criticized because they can't stand the idea of someone disliking grimderp stuff that they like. I really disliked that part where one guy said that Yohane was an amateur compared to the fanboy'z living god.
Stop being argumentative about fanboyz that may or may not exist.
Considering your rude tone with me and others, I don't think the issue is with what people think about his work, but the way you address concerns.
Going off your posts for this image, you also steer every discussion towards this group of people.
If it bothers you that a certain part of the fandom for a fan artist may or may not like the style or genre of another fan artist, please keep it to yourself.
Stop being argumentative about fanboyz that may or may not exist.
Considering your rude tone with me and others, I don't think the issue is with what people think about his work, but the way you address concerns.
Going off your posts for this image, you also steer every discussion towards this group of people.
If it bothers you that a certain part of the fandom for a fan artist may or may not like the style or genre of another fan artist, please keep it to yourself.
That's extremely hypocritical considering your side was the one barging on a Yohane picture only to call him an "amateur of amateurs", thus prompting me to lose all respect for Zounose fanboyz. But by all means, please keep on insulting artists on their pictures. I'm sure nobody will mind if you were to call Tonohifun a quack or Warugaki an attention whore. (Note : this is not my opinion. I hold both these artists in high regards. It was an example. SK-II is extremely good at making fun of himself, and I respect that.)
Also, regarding that accusation of rudeness, please prove it before calling me rude. Last time I checked, I never insulted anyone, either their mothers, or themselves. If you feel insulted by anything I said, it is your problem. After all, only truth hurts, right? If you think that "fanboyz" is an insult, that's, like, your opinion.
That's extremely hypocritical considering your side was the one barging on a Yohane picture only to call him an "amateur of amateurs", thus prompting me to lose all respect for Zounose fanboyz. But by all means, please keep on insulting artists on their pictures. I'm sure nobody will mind if you were to call Tonohifun a quack or Warugaki an attention whore. (Note : this is not my opinion. I hold both these artists in high regards. It was an example. SK-II is extremely good at making fun of himself, and I respect that.)
Also, regarding that accusation of rudeness, please prove it before calling me rude. Last time I checked, I never insulted anyone, either their mothers, or themselves. If you feel insulted by anything I said, it is your problem. After all, only truth hurts, right? If you think that "fanboyz" is an insult, that's, like, your opinion.
And being offended doesn't make you right.
Uh, FRien, Salad didn't say anything about Zounose or Yohane. It's just me and bigbigfool. If you want to reply to anyone then do it to us, don't mix him up.
And just to be clear, I am by no means saying that Yohane's works is bad at all. I enjoy his works. So please don't mind bigbigfool's comment about him. He probably just got a little tense there, that's all.
monhan said: Uh, FRien, Salad didn't say anything about Zounose or Yohane. It's just me and bigbigfool. If you want to reply to anyone then do it to us, don't mix him up.
And just to be clear, I am by no means saying that Yohane's works is bad at all. I enjoy his works. So please don't mind bigbigfool's comment about him. He probably just got a little tense there, that's all.
My apologies, when he badmouthed Yohane, it annoyed me so much that I just put all of you people in the same bag. And when I said "annoyed", I mean "I would've gouged his eyes out with my thumbs if I could get my hands on him". I tried to moderate my comments to hide my annoyance, but it seems it got the best of me.
There are many thing on Danbooru that I hate, the "before translation" comments, the emoticons, the half-assed translations, bkub, the powerlevel discussions, and I try to never comment on it. So when I saw that guy, I just snapped a bit, for many reasons. Including my personal dislike of Zounose's comics.
You know what, let's stop here. Yohane does really sweet stuff, Zounose does less sweet stuff, that's all. Have a nice day, mate.
Say - Maid Onee-chanI want red tea tooAh...Yes that's fineKoishi wants to eat some sweets is that OK-I will prepare it right awayFor two peopleThe cups should be a pairBecause we'll drink it togetherRight-Yes*Smiling*It will be ready promptly, please wait a moment...