Girls' frontline -copyright tags

Since Girls' frontline neural cloud has been out for a week or so and artworks presumably start to dribble, i think it a good time to bring up the matter of the copyright tags.

Girls' frontline is obviously used for the Girls' frontline, Girls' frontline 1, gfl, gfl1 or however you'd like to refer it, but some also seem to use it as a series -tag for the prequels, sequels and spinoffs.
I'd think it would be appropriate to create Girls'_frontline_(series), and implicate all the other gfl copyright tags into it, so you can search gfl1 works with Girls' frontline and not have neural cloud and exilium popping in and so on.

If this gets done now, there is only need for minimal gardening since posts for the other games is not yet so numerous.

Yes? No?

We have three options for a solution here:
1) the one you brought up, creating a girls'_frontline_(series) tag which can encompass the original game, the spinoffs and the sequel; would probably be among the simpler solutions, as you can just plop it on all posts under Girls' Frontline at the moment and do some minimal gardening.
2) creating a girls'_frontline_(game) tag and turning Girls' Frontline into a series tag by itself; would require far more gardening, being the most intense solution here, but it would keep the overall tag looking clean; or alternatively just alias the spinoffs and sequel and just not care for the consequences (especially as one could wonder to what extent some characters from NC or GFL2 would be popular enough to flood the tag).
3) repurposing the Reverse Collapse (series) tag, and turning it into a general series tag rather than one just used for in-series crossovers and the Codename: Bakery Girl remake; would be similar to 1), as it would necessitate adding it to all posts under Girls' Frontline, and still require the same amount of gardening as 1), but would theoretically avoid having to create a new tag (assuming a new tag isn't made to distinguish between the original Bakery Girl and its remake).

Of course, there are some side problems to consider as well, which could have different answers depending on the approach that we take; for instance, the issue of whether or not those characters appearing in NC from GFL should receive another chartag dedicated to NC, because they'll often have different attires/designs, and of course, the aforementioned potential flooding issue.

BUR #7419 has been rejected.

create implication girls'_frontline -> girls'_frontline_(series)
create implication girls'_frontline_neural_cloud -> girls'_frontline_(series)
create implication girls'_frontline_2:_exilium -> girls'_frontline_(series)
create implication girls'_frontline_glitch_land -> girls'_frontline_(series)

Girls' frontline is obviously used for the Girls' frontline, Girls' frontline 1, gfl, gfl1 or however you'd like to refer it, but some also seem to use it as a series -tag for the prequels, sequels and spinoffs.
I'd think it would be appropriate to create Girls'_frontline_(series), and implicate all the other gfl copyright tags into it, so you can search gfl1 works with Girls' frontline and not have neural cloud and exilium popping in and so on.

I do think we need a series tag and girls'_frontline_(series) is probably fine, since I don't really have a better suggestion. It's mostly how people refer to the series anyway. But I think we should probably leave off codename:_bakery_girl from the implications though. It does take place in the same universe, but it's distinctly different from the others and it seems odd to tag it with girls'_frontline_(series). It may make more sense to add it if the remake changes things later though.

Also, I don't think reverse_collapse_(series) is a good option since it's generally only associated with codename:_bakery_girl and virtually nobody uses it for girls'_frontline in general.

eidolon said:

Also, I don't think reverse_collapse_(series) is a good option since it's generally only associated with codename:_bakery_girl and virtually nobody uses it for girls'_frontline in general.

While this is true now, this could always change after the release of Chapter 13 on the English server, capping off the story as it had been developing since Singularity with an instance of Reverse Collapse occurring, before heading into the current 'season' that the older servers are in, so it is possible the nomenclature for the series in a wider sense becomes Reverse Collapse, especially if they decide to follow up the Bakery Girl remake (besides, it isn't like we don't have encompassing copytags that have names only the big nerds would be familiar with, i.e. Legendarium).

Otherwise though, yeah, as you said, Girls' Frontline (series) is probably fine, and I can't think of a better suggestion myself. Plus, if a shift in nomenclature does occur, we can always just alias that tag to the other for a seamless fit.

I don't like the idea of making an umbrella tag that will be 99.9% identical to one implicated tag. All these other series combined had 51 posts in the last month, compared with 1k posts for the main game, so the odds of any other game showing up in a girls' frontline search are abysmal.

I'd wait and see if the other copyrights gain traction before creating an umbrella tag.

Coincidentally this reminds me of the situation we had with princess connect!: topic #18515.

nonamethanks said:

I don't like the idea of making an umbrella tag that will be 99.9% identical to one implicated tag.

Same. Compare it also to Kantai Collection, which has Kantai Collection (anime) and Kancolle Arcade, but we don't have a Kantai Collection (series) tag. Admittedly those share characters with the main game and I guess the GFL spinoffs don't, but still.

nonamethanks said:

I don't like the idea of making an umbrella tag that will be 99.9% identical to one implicated tag. All these other series combined had 51 posts in the last month, compared with 1k posts for the main game, so the odds of any other game showing up in a girls' frontline search are abysmal.

I'd wait and see if the other copyrights gain traction before creating an umbrella tag.

The whole point is to do it now so there is less to clean up later, and you can just undo the change if it proves to be pointless.
It's worth noting that at the moment only PNC is released, and only in china currently. And revenue numbers for the launch month (or rather last week of the month) have been quite promising making around 4x what the GFL1 made combined from all regions for the whole month.

evazion said:

Same. Compare it also to Kantai Collection, which has Kantai Collection (anime) and Kancolle Arcade, but we don't have a Kantai Collection (series) tag. Admittedly those share characters with the main game and I guess the GFL spinoffs don't, but still.

I don't think that's a fair comparison. Arcade is basically has same everything but the gameplay is well gameplay (i don't know what genre to call it) instead of browser game's rng simulator. And anime adaption is well, anime adaption.

GFL games have mostly different characters between games barring fistfull of recurring characters.

The difference is that if we do nothing now and fix it later we don't lose anything, while if we approve this now and have to remove it later it means roughly 80k post changes for nothing, and a popular copyright having a superfluous change of naming that people will have to get used to twice.

The bulk update request #7419 (forum #197706) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.