So the first problematic tag is labia, people have been using it as an equivalent or a complement for the pussy tag since a long remote past. I've changed the wiki to emphasize what was already written, but a few people still use it wrongly. Whether the pussy is completely, partially or not covered by clothes (but the labia is visible through it), we already have tags to cover all scenarios, respectively: pussy, partially visible vulva or pussy peek and finally cameltoe, labia is just a part of the vulva anatomy and it'll be visible in either of the four pointed examples, so the existence of this is tag only leads to confusion.
Imo, the only scenario which could justify its use would be for large labia ("fat pussy"), like (E): post #4804675.
Cleft of Venus
Honestly, I only learned about its existence on this site, searching for it on google barely leads to useful results, cleft of venus is a synonym for pudendal cleft, which is poorly defined even on the EN wikipedia and it stands only for the slit that divides the outer labia and it's more prominent in specific positions such as sitting or standing, specially with the legs close together, for example (Q): post #5180992. Personally, it seems to be too much specific knowledge and in practice, works just as an antonym for spread pussy and I also doubt many people knows and/or care about its existence. Again, I'm fine with any suggestion.
I was trying to figure out a use case for labia that wasn't already covered, but it seems like we already have tags for everything it could be used for. The only niche it might have is for things like this, which might already be covered by partially visible vulva? If it's just for the shape of the pussy being visible through clothing, then it seems redundant with cameltoe.
Hyozen said: Imo, the only scenario which could justify its use would be for large labia ("fat pussy"), like (E): post #4804675.
We already have fat mons for that, so it really doesn't seem to have any use. Looks pretty nuke-able to me.
Cleft of Venus on the other hand seems like something people would actually care to find. I can definitely see someone wanting to see that kind of "pristine, unsoiled" type of pussy especially lolicons, compared to something with a more used or realistic appearance like this. It also serves as a way to find those types of pussies, since we don't have a tag for that and neither spread pussy or gaping apply.
It's quite telling that in the decade+ history of the labia tag, no one has attempted to explain in the wiki what makes it different from tags like cameltoe and partially_visible_vulva. That's probably because they overlap so much that between them there isn't much of a niche left to fill.
Evidently some taggers were using this tag as a way of tagging particularly noteworthy labia like in post #3770676, but it would be better to have an unambiguous tag like long_labia for this purpose. Unfortunately, now that all the posts like this have been purged from labia, it will be a massive pain in the ass to find them all again.
Evidently some taggers were using this tag as a way of tagging particularly noteworthy labia like in post #3770676, but it would be better to have an unambiguous tag like long_labia for this purpose. Unfortunately, now that all the posts like this have been purged from labia, it will be a massive pain in the ass to find them all again.
It seems long clitoris is more appropriate for this example but I get what you mean, probably stuff like this: post #1998558, post #2023592, post #2777168, post #3255775. I think most examples of this are contained in the pussy tag rather than labia, which would need a enormous effort to find and populate properly some tag like long_labia. Anywho, I've rechecked the labia history tag and the vast majority of its gardening were made by me and another builder and were focused in images containing visible pussy while not focused on the labia itself, so I don't think much is lost.
blindVigil said:
We already have fat mons for that, so it really doesn't seem to have any use. Looks pretty nuke-able to me.
By the way I've done some research and it seems, as glasnot and Squishy pointed in forum #46833, that fat mons is not the same thing as fat labia, it refers to the region where pubic hair grows (mons pubis) being fat: post #2279302, post #4546477, while a relatively normal one would be post #2541574, this doesn't necessarily imply fat labia, let alone fat labia implying fat mons, however most posts tagged with fat mons are being used to mean fat labia.
If someone point it out as a problem we can garden the fat mons tag, make the alias fat_mons -> fat_labia to move all posts, unaliasing in sequence and finally repopulating fat_mons. Of course that's a lot of trouble just for the sake of correctness, and as we can see from labia's history of use, most users didn't even read the wiki before tagging it, so I doubt they'll care about that nuke, nuking labia will probably give an overall positive outcome.
I'm okay with deprecation but nuking and starting over with a similar description to clitoris's "tag when visible" sounds better in my opinion. Or we can just tag labia_minora.
Hyozen said: If someone point it out as a problem we can garden the fat_mons tag, make the alias fat_mons -> fat_labia to move all posts, unaliasing in sequence and finally repopulating fat_mons.
I'm in favor of that. Personally I'm interested in finding fat labia content, not fat mons.
