A user just tagged 318 images with the cowgirl_(position) tag that he made. The girl_on_top tag is already supposed to cover those images. Is an alias warranted (either direction) or should the user's tagging simply be undone?
While I'm on the subject, the current wiki definitions for straddle and girl_on_top makes them also redundant tags. 0xCCBA696's post in forum #17954 makes me believe that straddle should be more broadly defined and girl_on_top given an implication to straddle. Also reverse_cowgirl should have an implication to straddle then as well.
NWF_Renim said: While I'm on the subject, the current wiki definitions for straddle and girl_on_top makes them also redundant tags.
The current wiki definitions are wrong. Straddle should simply be defined as someone straddling something. It isn't necessarily true that it's a person being straddled or that sex is taking place (e.g. post #462985).
As for girl on top, it just means that the girl is on top of her partner. Again, it doesn't necessarily imply that she's straddling her partner or that they are having sex (e.g. post #455167).
If we go with these definitions then the cowgirl_(position) tag isn't entirely redundant. It's a more specific subset of straddle.
NWF_Renim said: Also reverse_cowgirl should have an implication to straddle then as well.
If asked to choose between girl_on_top and straddle, I'm in favor for straddle, since it's more formal sounding and more encompassing (like the sofa example). However, if we really want to make a distinction between the two, as evazion suggested, then it's going to require a wiki overhaul, work in separating the posts to go under the correct tags, and faith in the average user's reading ability.
evazion said: The current wiki definitions are wrong. Straddle should simply be defined as someone straddling something. It isn't necessarily true that it's a person being straddled or that sex is taking place (e.g. post #462985).
As for girl on top, it just means that the girl is on top of her partner. Again, it doesn't necessarily imply that she's straddling her partner or that they are having sex (e.g. post #455167).
If we go with these definitions then the cowgirl_(position) tag isn't entirely redundant. It's a more specific subset of straddle.
Agreed on this.
The idea was to differentiate between the receptive partner towards and facing away. The Cowgirl position is facing towards, while reverse_cowgirl is facing away.
I agree with straddle being well used to indicate that something is being straddled, in fact I went through the entirety of Danbooru placing the straddle tag where appropriate a year ago.
I hold no sentiments to the specific tag cowgirl_(position) but again, to re-iterate there needs to be a facing direction disambiguation.
Well, in the mean time I am going to tag all the reverse cowgirl images with reverse_cowgirl. I would like some more discussion on this topic, or should I create a new topic to resolve the disambiguation?
Should we consider that there are more images of the sex position "cowgirl" than there are of the female variety of cowboy? It really bothers me that there is ambiguity, and I would really like to get the two sorted out in a manner that is easy on the eyes, I admit that the cowgirl_(position) tag is really awkward.
Part 2 Back on the original topic, I can see how the tags girl_on_top and any of the "receptive partner on top" tags like reverse_cowgirl can be redundant, it really is a matter of hierarchical descriptors. Rather, reverse_cowgirl implicates straddle and girl_on_top
I was the one who cleared out and redefined the cowgirl tag to it's current usage, and I must say that the sexual position only accounted for a handful of the images that were tagged as such. I'd say there were many more images of female cowboys that were intermixed than images of the sexual position, but even those were vastly fewer in number to literal cowgirls.
NWF Renim said: I was the one who cleared out and redefined the cowgirl tag to it's current usage, and I must say that the sexual position only accounted for a handful of the images that were tagged as such.
True, but that was before I came along and tried to clarify the difference between the two. There are several thousand images that could potentially get tagged with the cowgirl that references the sexual position rather than the stereotypical occupational uniform.
EDIT
I noticed the cowgirl wiki now says:
The term cowgirl is ambigious and can also refer to female cowboys and a sexual position. For the sexual position refer to the girl on top tag. For images of female cowboys, use the western tag instead.
Why not change the reference to facing_cowgirl which is the opposite of reverse_cowgirl and equally unwieldy. I believe this is best as it identifies the facing direction of the receptive partner, and is not ambiguous (literally) with cowgirl That way there is no need for a western tag, although one is a great idea, as it identifies the theme.
0xCCBA696 said: That first one is just crying to be written as obverse_cowgirl.
Your absolutely correct. I second the notion.
EDIT I just noticed that my privileges have been enhanced, and I have the urge to place in effect the substance of this topic. But before I do, I will place my proposed actions here for peer review.
Edit sexual positions wiki to reflect the new tag obverse_cowgirl.
...Are we serious about "obverse" cowgirl? Who would ever look for that tag? I can't see how it's more intuitive than "facing" - facing seems to make sense because it specifies what exactly the "reverse" cowgirl is a reverse of. But I'm never going to search for the tag so I'll leave you guys to choose what you want.
So once you pick your two _cowgirl tags, my understanding is that you want them to implicate girl_on_top and straddle? Correct?
obverse_cowgirl? The hell? Tags are supposed to be intuitive and easy to remember, NOT HARDER.
Alias cowgirl_(position) to straddle, since it is essentially a straddle sex search. If we want to make straddle non-sexual (as evazion suggested), then cowgirl_(position) works (better yet, remove the parenthesis: cowgirl_position); the standard cowgirl sex position is understood to be facing the partner, so prefixing it with a directional qualifier is unnecessary.
Personally, I think trying to make a distinction between straddle, girl_on_top, and cowgirl_(position) is pointless, since people use all three tags interchangeably. Better to alias them under one tag to capture all the nuances.
