Onimai and genderswap

As it stands, majority of oyama_mahiro posts are tagged with genderswap_(mtf). It seems superfluous considering their main appearance in the story is that of a girl.

Looking at other forum topics, I've found a very similar situation in topic #20695. It was resolved by creating separate tags for male and female versions of the character, and I propose to do the same here - either split it into _(male) and _(female), or keep the basic version and add oyama_mahiro_(male) to pre-transformation posts.

What do you think? And which of those alternatives do you prefer?

Since I was the one that started doing this (and expected this topic to happen sooner or later after the anime started) back when we only had the pool and nothing else I thought I'd explain why. I did it because the story is about this kind of content so I thought it would help people that are interested in it find it better, now with the big explosion in fanart and popularity it's probably not worth to keep doing it.

I don't think we need to rename the current tag though but creating a oyama_mahiro_(male) tag would be good since there are a few times we see him pre-transformation, both in the pool and show (so far), though they are all in flashbacks.

For Witch's_Weapon, which is likewise genderbender content, I remember that it was... decided? encouraged? something?, to include the genderswap tag for the main character, Ren, because even though ren's a girl from almost the get-go, it's a genderbend game/story, and people looking for that would want to know that Ren isn't -just- a girl, but a genderbent guy-to-girl.

Following this, I'm okay with keeping the genderswap tag, and creating a separate male tag for pre-transformation posts.

I've added oyama_mahiro_(male). I'll wait for more input on removing genderswap tags.

BUR #14689 has been rejected.

mass update oyama_mahiro -> -genderswap -genderswap_(mtf)

Unnecessary, tagged on every post with this character.
I've checked and haven't found any posts that qualify for the tag for other reasons.

What is the use case for the tag when dealing with Ranma 1/2? Feels like that old series would be the precedence setter.

Veraducks said:

What is the use case for the tag when dealing with Ranma 1/2? Feels like that old series would be the precedence setter.

Ranma-chan is inconsistently tagged - 19 pages with genderswap_(mtf), 10 pages without.

But either way, as far as I know, Ranma is generally present in both identities in-story, while Mahiro is a girl all the time, outside of very rare flashbacks (5 posts out of almost 1000 pages). Those seem like pretty different cases to me.

Veraducks said:

What is the use case for the tag when dealing with Ranma 1/2? Feels like that old series would be the precedence setter.

The last time Ranma-chan and genderswap was discussed: topic #20695

It's been a pretty contentious topic over the years, there have been several threads made for it.

I think the issue comes from "genderswap" ambiguously referring both to a genre of fiction (ranma and onimai) as well as an artwork tag for one-offs ("rule 63"). Right now people use the tag either to search for rule 63'd versions of characters or to identify if a work's copyright contains a "canon genderswap".

So even though male mahiro seldomly appears in the story, onimai itself is a genderswap story. To contrast mai_natsume's male form and backstory barely figures into blazblue, so I don't know if it's meaningful for her to appear in searches for for the tag.

This bulk update request is pending automatic rejection in 5 days.

This bulk update request has been rejected because it was not approved within 45 days.

The bulk update request #14689 (forum #231479) has been rejected by @DanbooruBot.

BUR #43757 is pending approval.

create implication oyama_mahiro_(male) -> oyama_mahiro

The male form of Oyama Mahiro

I don't think we're very consistent with how we do things like this across copyrights, but my opinion is that either:

1. The two tags should be unrelated (status quo)
2. We should have an _(female) tag and then both should imply oyama_mahiro

nonemouse said:

2. We should have an _(female) tag and then both should imply oyama_mahiro

If this were to happen, wouldn't Ranma be eligible for a parent chartag?

Damian0358 said:

If this were to happen, wouldn't Ranma be eligible for a parent chartag?

That would be consistent, if we went that way. But the status quo (two unrelated tags) is also fine, in my opinion. I just wouldn't like having Ranma-Chan imply Saotome Ranma without turning that into a parent tag and creating a separate male tag.

For Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuuutsu, Kyonko and Kyon are also currently unrelated tags but that's also a really unusual case where the genderbent version is a fan creation that took off. So it'd be really weird to have a "kyon_(male)" tag.

Inconsistently, for Ayakashi Triangle, currently Kazamaki Matsuri is a tag, and there are also separate Kazamaki Matsuri (Female) and Kazamaki Matsuri (Male) tags, but without any implications.

Zenbu Kimi No Sei's main characters have the parent tag, male and female tags, and implications.

And just to complete the set of possibilities, I see Kibutsuji Muzan (Female) implies Kibutsuji Muzan without a separate male form tag, similar to what is currently being proposed for Mahiro here. I don't know that copyright so I don't know if there's something that makes that the most sensible option for that character.

Semi-related, I know there was a big change relatively recently to get rid of the parent tags for the male/female versions of Fire Emblem's avatar characters. The same is being discussed for Trailblazer (Honkai: Star Rail) in topic #32153.