Danbooru

Orientation play tag request

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orientation_play is a tag in which you can catalogate images were a character is not being faithful to its real orientation. Mainly viable for images were you can assimilate that the plot is giving you information about how a hetero character is having sex with their own gender or how a gay character is having sex with the opposite gender.

Even if it depends of cannonical information in some cases, I think it could be helpful for certain users. I don't consider it very likely to be mistagged. Just use this tag when you see a character not being faithful to their real orientation, people is gonna use this tag in searching bar and see the pleasing results.

In defense, I could say that this is the only tag capable of filling that context. Other tag combinations can't give you satisfactory results.

To start with, that's not a good name for a tag. I would never be able to guess what it was for, and I'd be surprised if anyone could.

Besides the myriad of cases where official sexual orientation is never clear, if you wanted examples of a character engaging in yuri, yaoi, or hetero you can just use those tags regardless of their official preferences. There's no real reason to also canon tag that one or more of those isn't official.

Terrible tag name as it suggests "hetero roleplaying as gay but aren't actually gay, because they're canonically straight". Better would be something like alternate_orientation. Anyway I oppose this for all reasons mentioned above. EDIT: I reread the first paragraph of the first post.

It better be clear from context (e.g. "wtf I'm not gay anymore"), then alright. Some of rule34's images I would not apply.

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I suppose some people don't like the idea because a lot of characters doesn't have official orientation, and I understand. However, it's a good tag when you are arguably using it correctly.

I have seen many images that could be coherently tagged as orientation_play, so I don't see the problem.
Just leave users interpretatively tag images with that tag then active taggers can help with it.

The main reason I support this tag is because it's an essential tag to find particular content that you won't find without it.
Also, creating a good wiki to it would evit many future problems in mistagging.

EyeViewer said:

The main reason I support this tag is because it's an essential tag to find particular content that you won't find without it.
Also, creating a good wiki to it would evit many future problems in mistagging.

What content can this find that can't be found otherwise? It's usually helpful to have examples ready, it helps keep everyone else on the same page, and claiming something exists without proof isn't a compelling argument.

Also, realistically speaking, "good wikis" do next to nothing to curb mistagging.

involving your personal opinion in a discussion about a tool that would be used by hundreds of users does not seem like a good idea.
We should focus on the objetive utility of the tag, not morality or intelligence(?). Nobody likes that here.

blindVigil said:

What content can this find that can't be found otherwise? It's usually helpful to have examples ready, it helps keep everyone else on the same page, and claiming something exists without proof isn't a compelling argument.

Also, realistically speaking, "good wikis" do next to nothing to curb mistagging.

Well, we have the orientation play tags in rule 34. The majority are well tagged.
https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=orientation_play
A lot of posts in this page are available here too. So we have a preview of danbooru working with it.
Hell, I just literally made a investigation of a lot of characters in this page to prove that it's working well. I deleted orientation play tag in some posts tho, but that's because the administration and the tagging in that page is pretty bad. It would be different in a page which cares of tagging like this. Nobody cares about tagging in rule34 so people just throw random tags sometimes.

evazion said:

What are some examples of posts you'd want to find under this tag? I have a hard time imagining how this would work without it applying to the vast majority of yuri and yaoi posts.

The problem is when you have a comic-format image with original characters which are having orientation play and you can't give relevance to it by the name of "orientation play" because orientation play doesn't exists.

Nothing on that page looks like anything that isn't findable by just searching the three tags I've already listed twice. If you want a gay character having straight sex use hetero, if you want a straight character having gay sex use yuri or yaoi.

The only benefit this tag brings is a blanket option to find something that can already be found with little effort.

Edit: Oh, wait, I think I understand now. This is about the kink itself. It's not about characters being depicted doing something they wouldn't normally do (that's most art), it's about characters conciously doing something they wouldn't normally do.

EyeViewer said:

The problem is when you have a comic-format image with original characters which are having orientation play and you can't give relevance to it by the name of "orientation play" because orientation play doesn't exists.

Also, orientation play is not having a yaoi version of a hetero character, is a hetero having gay sex or a homo having hetero sex. So, the context have to contribute to give it the tag of orientation play.
Dialogue is a good way of knowing if it should be tagged as orientation play. Also, if it's rape or forced it should be orientation play too.

I can only see it being sensible for when the image itself states the character is straight, yet involved in same-sex acts, or gay yet involved in straight acts (like a character saying they've only ever loved women, but here they are, sucking dick). Nothing about *canon* orientations, since these tend to be vague as hell and even if they're not - we generally try to shy away from tagging based on canon information whenever possible.

Not to mention this is further complicated by futanari and nonbinary/other characters.

KagayakuShiningGate said:

I can only see it being sensible for when the image itself states the character is straight, yet involved in same-sex acts, or gay yet involved in straight acts (like a character saying they've only ever loved women, but here they are, sucking dick). Nothing about *canon* orientations, since these tend to be vague as hell and even if they're not - we generally try to shy away from tagging based on canon information whenever possible.

Not to mention this is further complicated by futanari and nonbinary/other characters.

I don't even think there are futanari characters taggeable as orientation play. Most of futanari are bisexual since they have penis and vagina. In this cases is better only tagging by the context given by the image.

The problem with this tag is that is going to have a very niche use for a very niche fetish that will be poorly used for a image site that is specifically geared towards archival purposes and not porn like Rule34 is.

Kommandant said:

The problem with this tag is that is going to have a very niche use for a very niche fetish that will be poorly used for a image site that is specifically geared towards archival purposes and not porn like Rule34 is.

The same could be said to tags like double_grinding or nursing_handjob. Those tags are very niche, but 100+ posts with those tags is enough to recognize why that tag exists.

EyeViewer said:

The same could be said to tags like double_grinding or nursing_handjob. Those tags are very niche, but 100+ posts with those tags is enough to recognize why that tag exists.

double_grinding and nursing_handjob doesn't require context for tagging. They either fall into that tag or they don't. It appears what you are not comprehending that with your suggested tag and using the Rule34 example, requires explicit mention that the Character is x but they are doing y. You can get similar results by just looking up uzumaki_naruto yaoi or bisexual without needing Naruto to say, "Damn Sasuke, having sex with you feels a lot better than when I am doing it with Hinata."
It's less for describing what is going on in the image and more for making it easier to search for niche fetish. It serves little purpose when compared to the broader reaching tags that would associated with the image. There is going to be hardly any user on here that would be searching up Kita blowjob and thinking to themselves, "You know what I am really looking? Her claiming that sucking dick is so much better than her silly infatuation with Ryo"

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