Right now futa and cuntboy are in an awkward position where they are tagged 1girl and 1boy but excluded from yuri, yaoi, and more specific gendered tags usually having their own specific tags like futanari_pov or futanari_masturbation. I think if they are not treated as 1girl they shouldn't be tagged as 1girl.
While I'm not super opposed to it to resolve some silly tagging situations, I'm personally not to keen on adding a new set of character counters.
I don't know how it is in the cuntboy space, but with futa I feel like a lot of simple searches are going to have to become ~*girls ~*futa <rest of search>. That's not just from an ease of typing perspective, but I fear it will also make some searches straight up impossible for member level users (partial solution idea: make all charcounters count as 1 towards your tag limit, regardless of how many are present)
I would think if it's ambiguous 1girl + implied_futanari makes the most sense. As long as people aren't tagging thrusting or actual male genitals it makes sense to have it be 1girl.
Edit: Checked Gel and they do the opposite and tag implied_futanari as 1futa, which makes less sense to me since it's only implied and we don't tag implied_yuri as yuri, but to each their own, Either or works.
I think the main reason to want to move them out of the 1girl tag is either because you don't want them in your 1girl search (fine, but you'll still have to deal with them being in your cat girl search), or because you want to find specific combinations like 1futa+1girl, 1futa+1boy, 1futa+1futa, etc. But we already have tags like futa with female, futa with male, and futa with futa to deal with that. I think specific combinations like those are what people are usually after, not exact numbers of characters.
Would this be necessary? On Gelbooru the change only applies to counter tags: "All other female-centric tags (dark-skinned_female, girl_on_top, femdom etc.) still apply to futanari characters; do not create futanari versions of these tags."
Would this be necessary? On Gelbooru the change only applies to counter tags: "All other female-centric tags (dark-skinned_female, girl_on_top, femdom etc.) still apply to futanari characters; do not create futanari versions of these tags."
That sounds like kind of a half-solution. As in evazion's example, this would kind of defeat the point of having a separate category of futa tags, as you'd still have to remove all futa posts from your cat_girl search if you don't want to see them.
My personal bias beef is actually having to clean cuntboy out of yaoi and not having an official ruling on if it counts as male focus (I don't tag it as such), but I still think on a more general sense it's bizarre to treat them as 1girl/1boy if they are excluded from several general tags. Other booru sites besides just Gel use it too like the wasteland of Rule34.xxx.
I agree dark_skinned_futanari is silly, and would be the natural solution. I would support those granular tags, but if that is the point that breaks this BUR's back it is what it is.
How about introducing multiple_futanari as a tag instead, though? Currently there's no alternative except futa_with_futa (which excludes all non-sexual posts and alternative group_sex situations)
How about introducing multiple_futanari as a tag instead, though? Currently there's no alternative except futa_with_futa (which excludes all non-sexual posts and alternative group_sex situations)
Sadpanda has tags like fft threesome (2 females, 1 futa) or ttt threesome (3 futa) to counter this problem. Those tags could work here too, at the moment it's all dumped under fff threesome etc.
We'd need equivalents for cuntboys & co I assume, so "t" doesn't work for us. We could use the letter "d" (dickgirl) for futas specifically.
How about introducing multiple_futanari as a tag instead, though? Currently there's no alternative except futa_with_futa (which excludes all non-sexual posts and alternative group_sex situations)
nonamethanks said:
Sadpanda has tags like fft threesome (2 females, 1 futa) or ttt threesome (3 futa) to counter this problem. Those tags could work here too, at the moment it's all dumped under fff threesome etc.
We'd need equivalents for cuntboys & co I assume, so "t" doesn't work for us. We could use the letter "d" (dickgirl) for futas specifically.
We also still need to resolve the naming scheme in forum #308302 and introduce something along the lines of forum #308313.
If we're going to have 6 varieties of character counters then it seems to become really tempting to have x_characters...
Let's imagine that I have two specific characters I want to find an image for, who are conveniently 2boys, but sadly they're costumed gacha game characters so chartags:x is entirely useless, and I don't want to see other people or "girl" genderswaps of the two characters, but I don't care about cuntboy or malefuta. (2boys -1girl -multiple_girls -1other -multiple_others) plus two character tags is already an awkward Platinum+ only 7 tag search, but with this it has to be "char1 char2 (-1girl -multiple_girls -1other -multiple_others -1futa -multiple_futas) ((2boys -1malefuta -multiple_malefutas -1cuntboy -multiple_cuntboys) or (1malefuta 1cuntboy -1boy -multiple_boys) or (1boy 1malefuta -1cuntboy -multiple_cuntboys) or (1boy 1cuntboy -1malefuta -multiple_malefutas) or (2malefutas -1boy -1cuntboy -multiple_boys -multiple_cuntboys) or (2cuntboys -1boy -1malefuta -multiple_boys -multiple_malefutas))" which is certainly a monster of a search that times out.
Obviously this is something already incredibly inconvenient in the current state that merely goes from impractical (and Plat+ restricted) to impossible but as someone who does actually occasionally make this type of "exactly 2 characters" search I feel compelled to speak up that I would be slightly inconvenienced by this.
On one hand, I wholeheartedly believe that 1futa etc. would be the most logical, consistent, and accurate way of tagging.
On the other hand it makes some simple searches really ugly.
I don't think it's a problem at all to make this change and continue to have futas and females lumped together under topless female or cat girl, etc., since that's no more or less inconsistent than what we're doing right now. We already combine in some tags and separate in others, and Gelbooru has already adopted that approach. For implied_futanari you just have to make a call and decide which one it is, like we already have to decide when trying to tag it as yuri or futa with female.
I think that a better middle ground may be to increase the number of sexual gentags which do make a futa/female distinction. We already distinguish between futanari masturbation and futanari masturbation, which are mutually exclusive. We have futanari pov and female pov but there's no rule in the wiki saying that female pov doesn't apply to futas, so it gets applied to them and the tags overlap a fair bit. Unless anyone disagrees, I think we should add a line to female pov excluding futanari, and garden out the overlap. Similarly with fff threesome, I think it should be divided up into futa and non-futa subtags.
Sadpanda has tags like fft threesome (2 females, 1 futa) or ttt threesome (3 futa) to counter this problem. Those tags could work here too, at the moment it's all dumped under fff threesome etc.
I would like for us to have these tags. I've thought for a while that it would be a good idea for us to copy this, but I haven't had the motivation to raise it. I will make a separate thread for this.
If we're going to have 6 varieties of character counters then it seems to become really tempting to have x_characters...
We stumbled upon this issue some time ago in topic #23896 where I proposed an expansion of the solo tag into duo / trio / quartet / ... as a genderless way to count the characters in a post. This unfortunately was a dead end because the moment an image has more than 6 or more characters we abstractize the character counts (6+girls)
I would prefer a metatag-like solution to adding another set of tags like duo/quartet/etc... Something like what AkaringoP said, but not quite. Replace the girl/boy/other tags with counts that are stored for each post (6+girls becoming 6, etc...). Search for and modify those counts via metatags of those names. Add a metatag ("headcount", "chars", or whatever) that searches on the sum of those counts. Display those counts specially in the post tag list.
So "girls:3", "boys:<4", "chars:2", etc...
I'm not sure how feasible a changeover like this would be from a technical standpoint (backend people, please do chip in) but a system like this would be incredibly scalable. I would love something like this.
Taking CoreMack's Vocaloid example: Two girls: hatsune_miku kagamine_rin girls:2 Two futa: hatsune_miku kagamine_rin futa:2 Don't care: hatsune_miku kagamine_rin headcount:2
I would suggest de-gendering the species tags, but I greatly appreciate the specificity that those tags provide. This was meant to be a reply to evazion, instigated by the mention of cat_girl.
I would suggest de-gendering the species tags, but I greatly appreciate the specificity that those tags provide. This was meant to be a reply to evazion, instigated by the mention of cat_girl.
You can hit "Reply" directly below the specific post you want to respond to like I did just now.
Gelbooru doing it doesn't count as any kind of argument for doing the same thing here, plus I feel adding this tag will simply complicate the tagging system more and not make things easier to use. All the arguments presented for it also create a new tangled web of complications for other gendered tags.
That is not what the preposition is re-read it. The BUR is to remove futa and cuntboy from 1girl and 1boy since they are excluded from tags like female_masturbation and for tagging purposes already don't count as 1boy/1girl.
